Dreamer king of heat

[Guest]

Dreamer worked his ass off on Heat, and sold That rib shot like he was indeed shot. The crowd gave him a good pop, and It probably would have gone well giving him the win over Stasiak. But they didn't, I will assume though, that because they gonna push Stasiak and Perfect as a Tag team they were gonna use Dreamer to elevate.

 

It begs the question however, because of the Response Dreamer got, do you see him inline for some kinda Push, even a nudge?

[Guest El Satanico]

Could've swore Stasiak had been fired agane and i can't remember him on the draft list.

 

I wouldn't say that he will get a push yet. But i'm sure WWF will start testing the waters since he did get a decent reaction.

 

And damnit now i have a reason to actually want to watch Heat...Raven's announcing. I wish Coach had better chemistry with him but hopefully it will get better if they are a team long enough to get on the same page.

[Guest Nevermortal]

I marked out for Dreamer. I hadn't seen in in such a long time.

[Guest TheDames7]

I thought Raven came across more credible than most of the WWF announcers these days, actually getting psychology over and using the names of the moves.  

 

Dreamer used psychology perfectly in his match, as it led to him not being able to perform his finish.  

 

I did notice one thing about Raven though, which I found quite amusing.  When Stasiak had Dreamer set up for the Reverse DDT, he called it a "Slop Drop", ala the Godwinns.  Coach was like "Slop Drop??", as if he had never heard the term before.  I wonder why Raven would say that, it has nothing to do with Stasiaks character.

 

Dames - Color Analyst

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I loved the dreamer stasiak match and raven's commentary was awesome. I'll watch heat from now on if it'll be like that.

[Guest art_vandelay]

The Dreamer/Stasiak match was the best one of the night, definitely a pleasant surprise.  Stasiak did his part well too, with all the different maneuvers on the ribs.  I don't think Dreamer's going to get a push anytime soon, at least not ahead of younger guys like Stasiak.

[Guest chirs3]

Raven is supposed to be really smart, right?

 

Don't get me wrong, he's better than Cole, Coach, Kelly, et. all, but to me it sounded like he was trying to sound smart.

 

Maybe it's because Coach is next to him. Dumbs him down.

[Guest El Satanico]

I think Raven sounding like he's just trying to act smart is just part of the act. He's supposedly very smart in real life so he probably has a large vocabulary and the ability to toss around big words and not sound like an idiot.

 

He's easily the best announcer currently on WWF tv. That's not sayng much but still he's good. I think Coach can become a good partner to Raven's announcing if the team is given enough time to work together. Coach and Raven could kinda become what a announce team of a "smark" and a "mark" would sound like. With Raven talking about the moves and stuff and Coach being confused and not knowing what the hell Raven is talking about. Could become an entertaining pair.

[Guest Nater]

Yeah, I kinda woke up from my daze of watching this 'stuff' during this show when i saw the match and was like "Whoah, why is this on MTV?"

 

Raven does well.. is he gonna get "Tazzed"?

[Guest JAxlMorrison]

The Dreamer/Stasiak match was the best one of the night, definitely a pleasant surprise.  Stasiak did his part well too, with all the different maneuvers on the ribs.  I don't think Dreamer's going to get a push anytime soon, at least not ahead of younger guys like Stasiak.

Just because Dreamer is older then Stasiak is no reason to job him out to that no talent stiff. Stasiak shouldn't even be in the WWF, he has been around the Monday Night wresting scene for around 4 years now and he has not once put on what I would term a decent wrestling match. The only thing he is good for is comedy, as in the type he did while in The Alliance. Dreamer, however, has put on some extremely good matches, has the balls to bump his ass off, and has credibility with the old ECW fans.....there is no way he should've jobbed to that no-talent.

[Guest art_vandelay]

The Dreamer/Stasiak match was the best one of the night, definitely a pleasant surprise.  Stasiak did his part well too, with all the different maneuvers on the ribs.  I don't think Dreamer's going to get a push anytime soon, at least not ahead of younger guys like Stasiak.

Just because Dreamer is older then Stasiak is no reason to job him out to that no talent stiff. Stasiak shouldn't even be in the WWF, he has been around the Monday Night wresting scene for around 4 years now and he has not once put on what I would term a decent wrestling match. The only thing he is good for is comedy, as in the type he did while in The Alliance. Dreamer, however, has put on some extremely good matches, has the balls to bump his ass off, and has credibility with the old ECW fans.....there is no way he should've jobbed to that no-talent.

No way?  Well let's see, from the WWF's view point:  Dreamer's body is banged-up, he probably doesn't have many years left in him.  Meat is young, he is a big man, he has a great look, and he was one of the WWF's personal projects.  If you were Vince, who would you push?

 

Face it, as much as it pains me to say this, Tommy Dreamer will not become anything big in the WWF.  As this thread suggests, he will perhaps be the King of Heat.  Stasiak, while lacking the in-ring ability, at least has youth and looks on his side, which in the WWF, can go a long way.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

Yeah, I kinda woke up from my daze of watching this 'stuff' during this show when i saw the match and was like "Whoah, why is this on MTV?"

 

Raven does well.. is he gonna get "Tazzed"?

Tazzed? Well Raven was once Kanyons teacher on Nitro... I'm not sure how he'd work on TEII

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

Stasiak is going to get pushed when they have the space for him, no question. I actually think the tag team of Stasiak and Hennig might be pretty good, in a weird kinda way.

[Guest Will Scarlet]

I certainly enjoyed Raven on commentary.  I was always kind of a mark for a commentator who adds a certain insight to a match.  Like during the Dust-Show match, Raven was talking about how smart it was for Dust to try a sleeper on Show.  He went into the fact that if he want to take the Big Show down you should try to put him to sleep or work on the legs.  He also went into why the sleeper acts puts the wrestler to the sleep, as opposed to putting the crowd to sleep.

 

I have always felt that a good wrestling commentator is someone who can actually add something to the match, as opposed to just saying, "Where's the puppies, JR?" or during a midcard match, talking about the main event feud of the moment.  Just my opinion.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

I totally agree. It makes it much more interesting if the commentator gives you something more than platitudes and cliches.

[Guest Rob Van Dam]

The Dreamer/Stasiak match was the best one of the night, definitely a pleasant surprise.  Stasiak did his part well too, with all the different maneuvers on the ribs.  I don't think Dreamer's going to get a push anytime soon, at least not ahead of younger guys like Stasiak.

Just because Dreamer is older then Stasiak is no reason to job him out to that no talent stiff. Stasiak shouldn't even be in the WWF, he has been around the Monday Night wresting scene for around 4 years now and he has not once put on what I would term a decent wrestling match. The only thing he is good for is comedy, as in the type he did while in The Alliance. Dreamer, however, has put on some extremely good matches, has the balls to bump his ass off, and has credibility with the old ECW fans.....there is no way he should've jobbed to that no-talent.

Tommy Dreamer was born in 1971 and Shawn Stasiak was born in 1970, thus making Dreamer the younger one, get it straight!

[Guest]

Back in the Day Jesse Ventura commentating use to explain holds and such. Even rest holds, he go into how each move is a wear down move so soften someone up. Coach was too busy yacking during the first match, but Hall Managed to slap on a Decent looking STF on Crash.  Adversarial Commentating only works if both men consider themselves Equals, Like Michael Cole arguing with Tazz that would be scripted silliness cuz Tazz could kill Cole,  Same with Coachman last night trying to bust on Raven.  

Back in the day, during Wrestlemania's Both Gorilla and Ventura was ex Wrestlers. and its funny the banter they go when Gorilla said Im Glad I retired, Ventura goes, Im glad you retired too, and Gorilla replies, Alot of people were glad I retired. heh.

[Guest muzanisa]

I can't stand Stasiak, his comedy role was okay but he just comes across really badly to me. I don't see Dreamer getting the oppurtunity to get over in the WWF. Without the ECW fans,going through tables,bleeding and every other thing that made him in ECW which won't happen in WWF King of Heat might be okay for Tommy. Blue collar JTTS.

[Guest notJames]

Magic Eight-Ball, what do you see in Tommy Dreamer's immediate future?

 

- I see Dreamer in a match against Mr. Perfect on Raw. Before the match, Dreamer starts one of his patented "I'm not out here to cut a babyface promo" babyface promo. 10 seconds later, Brock Lobster turns him into chum. Dreamer is brought backstage via Dust Buster, never to be seen again.

 

[Guest]

You guys are forgetting that Heat is taped. They probably piped in any cheers for Tommy Crippled.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Dreamer should be the King of the Unemployment Office.

[Guest El Satanico]

Now why the hell would they pipe in cheers for someone on Heat? And why the hell would they go through the hassle of doing it for Dreamer when he lost the match. Dreamer vs. Stasiak was between two guys WWF barely cares about so there is no reason that they'd pipe in cheers for the match so get out of here with that stupidity.

 

Also they would've piped in more boos for Scott Hall if they were going to pipe any match on Heat.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

I did notice one thing about Raven though, which I found quite amusing.  When Stasiak had Dreamer set up for the Reverse DDT, he called it a "Slop Drop", ala the Godwinns.  Coach was like "Slop Drop??", as if he had never heard the term before.  I wonder why Raven would say that, it has nothing to do with Stasiaks character.

I noticed that too. I'm sure that it will be overlooked however. Now, had he referred to is a "Scorpion Death Drop" maybe someone would have said something. Then again, others would probably try to say it was foreshadowing. Also, Coach probably doesn't know who Phinneus Godwin is, so he probably was actually confused, and that was his natural response.

 

*sigh*

[Guest]

Dreamer worked his ass off on Heat, and sold That rib shot like he was indeed shot. The crowd gave him a good pop, and It probably would have gone well giving him the win over Stasiak. But they didn't, I will assume though, that because they gonna push Stasiak and Perfect as a Tag team they were gonna use Dreamer to elevate.

 

It begs the question however, because of the Response Dreamer got, do you see him inline for some kinda Push, even a nudge?

Dreamer will get a nudge simply because the shows are now split. He is so beat up and not over that the WWF will never psuh him.

[Guest Human Fly]

****Spoiler****

 

 

 

 

Dreamer is the King of Heat again this week! He beat the Bossman at the tapings. Is anyone expected to job for the Bossman anymore? Give him a managers role so we don't have to see him in the ring.

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

Magic Eight-Ball, what do you see in Tommy Dreamer's immediate future?

 

- I see Dreamer in a match against Mr. Perfect on Raw. Before the match, Dreamer starts one of his patented "I'm not out here to cut a babyface promo" babyface promo. 10 seconds later, Brock Lobster turns him into chum. Dreamer is brought backstage via Dust Buster, never to be seen again.

 

That cracked me up.

[Guest]

Hasn't Dreamer at least appeared on ever Raw since the split? And he going to get his first win in the WWF on Heat this week so I think we have new MAIN EVENTER~!

[Guest Ravenbomb]

Where's the Raven/Dreamer feud? I want Raven/Dreamer on my TV NOW!!! And not stuff from ECW either, I'm getting tapes of that later, I want something new, where I won't know what's gonna happen next! Sam the Egg agrees with me, don't you?

 

STE: Yes I do

[Guest]

I noticed that too. I'm sure that it will be overlooked however. Now, had he referred to is a "Scorpion Death Drop" maybe someone would have said something. Then again, others would probably try to say it was foreshadowing. Also, Coach probably doesn't know who Phinneus Godwin is, so he probably was actually confused, and that was his natural response.

Or maybe, just maybe, he was putting out something for us to read between the lines on. Something along the line of Stasiak being as lame as a Godwinn. Hmmmm.

 

[Guest]

Stasiak is going to get pushed when they have the space for him, no question. I actually think the tag team of Stasiak and Hennig might be pretty good, in a weird kinda way.

What's the point of creating tag teams for RAW? There are no tag titles for them to win.

 

Completely pointless. Then again, what has the WWF done lately that even has a point to it...