The College Football Championship Week Thread

[teke184 0]

Technically, Bama wasn't shit this year, even at the beginning when everyone thought they were good, because they're on probation. They're ineligible for votes in at least one of the polls as a result.

[2GOLD 0]

Alabama and Colorado both had losing records. The others are conference games, so that doesn't seem has impressive has having Michigan, Florida St, and Maryland on your non- conference schedule.

 

Who in the hell put Michigan, Florida State and Maryland on their schedule???

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How exactly do they do the split title? Remember I'm new so I'm not sure on how it works.

One more time with feeling...the AP poll has no connection to the BCS at all. The AP poll can pick whoever they want to be national champion. It is safe to assume USC will be #1 tommorrow in the poll and if they go on and beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl it is safe to assume they will remain that #1 and be the AP's national champion. The Coaches poll is tied to the BCS and whoever wins the desigated national championship game has to be voted #1 and be declared their national champion. Thus by that scenerio we get a split national champion.

 

It's actually a fallacy to say that the BCS was created to get an udisputed national champion because its main purpose was to set up an annual national title game between the #1 and #2 teams in the country. You will never have an outright Division I-A national champion until there is a playoff.

[Damaramu 0]

The agreement was the AP would get to vote on the National Champion and they crown the National Champion really

 

So let us say, USC is ranked #1 in the AP Poll but they are ranked #3 in the BCS. So that means LSU vs Oklahoma, a #2 vs #3 in the AP, would be the BCS national title game.

 

If USC was to win, then their is no way the AP would vote USC out of #1 which means the winner of the LSU/OU game would be the BCS National Champion and USC would be the AP POLL National champion.....which is exactly what we had before the BCS.

 

HOWEVER, if USC loses to Michigan then the point is all mute. If USC is ranked #1 in the AP, doesn't go to the main bowl and THEN beats Michigan then the BCS is dead because if failed to do what it was supposed to do.

So then...who do we the fans recognize as National Champion? Who goes down in history as the national champion?

[Bored 0]

Both...its considered a tie. Michigan has a 1997 National Championship banner even though they split it with Nebraska.

[teke184 0]

It goes down as a split title, like Nebraska-Michigan in 97 or Colorado-Georgia Tech in the early 90s. There would be no "single" champion.

[Damaramu 0]

Both...its considered a tie. Michigan has a 1997 National Championship banner even though they spolit it with Nebraska.

Well that just sucks.

Dammit....my Chris Jericho OU may have to share it with that damn Chyna USC.(or the other way around if you prefer USC)

[2GOLD 0]

The agreement was the AP would get to vote on the National Champion and they crown the National Champion really

 

So let us say, USC is ranked #1 in the AP Poll but they are ranked #3 in the BCS. So that means LSU vs Oklahoma, a #2 vs #3 in the AP, would be the BCS national title game.

 

If USC was to win, then their is no way the AP would vote USC out of #1 which means the winner of the LSU/OU game would be the BCS National Champion and USC would be the AP POLL National champion.....which is exactly what we had before the BCS.

 

HOWEVER, if USC loses to Michigan then the point is all mute. If USC is ranked #1 in the AP, doesn't go to the main bowl and THEN beats Michigan then the BCS is dead because if failed to do what it was supposed to do.

So then...who do we the fans recognize as National Champion? Who goes down in history as the national champion?

 

Officially? If USC wins over Michigan

 

USC and the winner of LSU/Oklahoma.

 

This is why the BCS was formed, to prevent these split nightmares.

 

You could recognize Boise State if you wanted, it's not like anyone can really complain if there isn't a national champion.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Something will happen so 1-2 in the polls play in the Sugar Bowl. Whether it be, the coaches voting LSU ahead of USC, or Oklahoma only going down 1 spot.

[Damaramu 0]

The agreement was the AP would get to vote on the National Champion and they crown the National Champion really

 

So let us say, USC is ranked #1 in the AP Poll but they are ranked #3 in the BCS. So that means LSU vs Oklahoma, a #2 vs #3 in the AP, would be the BCS national title game.

 

If USC was to win, then their is no way the AP would vote USC out of #1 which means the winner of the LSU/OU game would be the BCS National Champion and USC would be the AP POLL National champion.....which is exactly what we had before the BCS.

 

HOWEVER, if USC loses to Michigan then the point is all mute. If USC is ranked #1 in the AP, doesn't go to the main bowl and THEN beats Michigan then the BCS is dead because if failed to do what it was supposed to do.

So then...who do we the fans recognize as National Champion? Who goes down in history as the national champion?

 

Officially? If USC wins over Michigan

 

USC and the winner of LSU/Oklahoma.

 

This is why the BCS was formed, to prevent these split nightmares.

 

You could recognize Boise State if you wanted, it's not like anyone can really complain if there isn't a national champion.

However these split nightmares occur. Damn the BCS....it didn't help anything. It created more controversy.

So then before the BCS it was the #1 in the AP Poll and #1 in the Coaches poll?

Dammit every system except a playoff is crap!

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Something will happen so 1-2 in the polls play in the Sugar Bowl. Whether it be, the coaches voting LSU ahead of USC, or Oklahoma only going down 1 spot.

Yes I threw out the conspiracy theory of the BCS committee telling the Coaches to vote LSU and Oklahoma #1 and #2 and to vote USC #3 or lower. They are screwed when it comes to the AP poll though.

[2GOLD 0]

Something will happen so 1-2 in the polls play in the Sugar Bowl. Whether it be, the coaches voting LSU ahead of USC, or Oklahoma only going down 1 spot.

 

The coaches can't prevent the split. Only the AP can prevent the split.

And the AP LOATHES the BCS since the BCS was supposed to fix the problem that was the AP POLL.

 

The coaches cannot do anything to prevent this split. Only the AP can and they are going to put USC #1 and LSU #2 with Oklahoma #3 or possibly all the way down to #4 behind Michigan.

 

The AP has been waiting for this day and now they have the first piece to crushing the BCS to death.

[Guest Just J]

There shouldn't be a tie. The BCS is shit. Logically LSU/USC should be the game. Out of the top three the two had harder schedules and they both won their conferences. OU has no legit claim to a national championship this year...logically.

[Damaramu 0]

Something will happen so 1-2 in the polls play in the Sugar Bowl. Whether it be, the coaches voting LSU ahead of USC, or Oklahoma only going down 1 spot.

I think it'd be best to have OU as #2 and USC as #1. That'd be a much better game and may just shut up more complaining than OU/LSU. Ah who am I kidding...no scenario will work. This year should end right now and be erased from history.

*starts petition with coaches*

*bob stoops signs first*

"Ahem...Jason White gets another year...."

[Damaramu 0]

There shouldn't be a tie. The BCS is shit. Logically LSU/USC should be the game. Out of the top three the two had harder schedules and they both won their conferences. OU has no legit claim to a national championship this year...logically.

Yet if they go and win there claim is right there.

Technically if they go to the National Title game and play like they did all year then I think they have that title cinched. If they play like they did against K-State...well like I said earlier.....LSU/USC 107-OU 0.

[2GOLD 0]

What's really sad is I never thought this chaos would happen this year.

 

Right now, Michigan holds the fate of the BCS in their hands. If they beat USC, the chaos is over and the BCS works. But if USC wins....oh hell....

 

And this is exactly what College football was before the BCS so I'm used to the mass confusion.

[Damaramu 0]

What's really sad is I never thought this chaos would happen this year.

 

Right now, Michigan holds the fate of the BCS in their hands. If they beat USC, the chaos is over and the BCS works. But if USC wins....oh hell....

 

And this is exactly what College football was before the BCS so I'm used to the mass confusion.

I thought it wouldn't happen because after the Sooners picture perfect season I didn't think they'd allow this to happen. And I figured with such a big game in front of them they wouldn't pull there Baylor "this team is shit...let's not try" method.

And then they did it. And started getting beaten. And it shook them up so bad they couldn't come back.

God...I blame nobody but the Sooners. This is there fucking fault for needing 2 stadiums in Norman. 1 for the team to play...and 1 for there egos.

[Vern Gagne 0]

So the writers are petty and jealous?

 

Why does one year kill the BCS? An unanimous National Champion has been crowned the previous years.

 

It's not the spawn of Satan like some people act. It may be a computer formula, but it factors in what you've done on the field. Who you've beaten, what kind of records your opponents have. So Hawaii's game against Boise St. should matter.

[2GOLD 0]

There shouldn't be a tie.  The BCS is shit.  Logically LSU/USC should be the game.  Out of the top three the two had harder schedules and they both won their conferences.  OU has no legit claim to a national championship this year...logically.

 

USC had the harder schedule???

 

Alright...let me see

 

Washington (6-6)

Washington St (9-3)

Oregon St (7-5)

UCLA (6-6)

Notre Dame (5-7)

Stanford (4-7)

Arizona (2-10)

Arizona State (5-7)

Cal (7-6) Lost to Cal

Hawaii (8-4)

BYU (4-8)

Auburn (7-5)

 

 

And FUTHERMORE, if USC had played the harder schedule then they wouldn't be behind Oklahoma IN the BCS.

 

Talk down to Oklahoma all you guys want, but they didn't have an easier schedule than USC.

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Why does one year kill the BCS? An unanimous National Champion has been crowned the previous years.

 

It's not the spawn of Satan like some people act. It may be a computer formula, but it factors in what you've done on the field. Who you've beaten, what kind of records your opponents have. So Hawaii's game against Boise St. should matter.

I'd say the debacles of 2000 and 2001 also showed the BCS doesn't accomplish what it intends to do. You got undefeated national champions but did they beat the real #2 team? No they didn't.

 

Its not but its ruined a lot of bowl tradition and really not accomplished much. Also why defend it? I never get people who are so defensive of the system. Unless you have some some monetary stake it who gives a shit if it goes away? Playoffs are probably never going to happen so the BCS exsisting or not will have little effect on it.

 

Also ya great Boise State/Hawaii means something...but it was a game today between two 5-6 teams that had a bigger impact on who plays for the national championship. Sorry a truly a meaningless game between two teams that aren't going to bowl games shouldn't have an impact on who wins the so-called national title.

[Guest Just J]

There shouldn't be a tie.  The BCS is shit.  Logically LSU/USC should be the game.  Out of the top three the two had harder schedules and they both won their conferences.  OU has no legit claim to a national championship this year...logically.

Yet if they go and win there claim is right there.

Technically if they go to the National Title game and play like they did all year then I think they have that title cinched. If they play like they did against K-State...well like I said earlier.....LSU/USC 107-OU 0.

The thing is that at this point OU has no right to "go there" so what you are saying is not plausible.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

2 of the 3 problems with the BCS (presuming Oklahoma goes) have been letting teams that didn't win their own conference play for the national title.

[2GOLD 0]

And why does a playoff not happen?

 

Simply put....money.

 

That's all folks, pure and simple it's the money.

 

And yes, one year does kill it. Because it was brought in to prevent this, it failed which means it's no better than what we had before.

 

It got it right once, and that was last year.

[Vern Gagne 0]

OU has no right?

 

Do LSU, or USC have any right to go there?

[Guest Just J]

There shouldn't be a tie.  The BCS is shit.  Logically LSU/USC should be the game.  Out of the top three the two had harder schedules and they both won their conferences.  OU has no legit claim to a national championship this year...logically.

 

USC had the harder schedule???

 

Alright...let me see

 

Washington (6-6)

Washington St (9-3)

Oregon St (7-5)

UCLA (6-6)

Notre Dame (5-7)

Stanford (4-7)

Arizona (2-10)

Arizona State (5-7)

Cal (7-6) Lost to Cal

Hawaii (8-4)

BYU (4-8)

Auburn (7-5)

 

 

And FUTHERMORE, if USC had played the harder schedule then they wouldn't be behind Oklahoma IN the BCS.

 

Talk down to Oklahoma all you guys want, but they didn't have an easier schedule than USC.

Uh...yes they did.

[Vern Gagne 0]

And why does a playoff not happen?

 

Simply put....money.

 

That's all folks, pure and simple it's the money.

 

And yes, one year does kill it. Because it was brought in to prevent this, it failed which means it's no better than what we had before.

 

It got it right once, and that was last year.

It's not money. They'd make a fucking boatload with a playoff. It's the schools Presidents, and even AD's, and coaches to a less extent that don't want a true playoff to happen.

[Damaramu 0]

There shouldn't be a tie.  The BCS is shit.  Logically LSU/USC should be the game.  Out of the top three the two had harder schedules and they both won their conferences.  OU has no legit claim to a national championship this year...logically.

Yet if they go and win there claim is right there.

Technically if they go to the National Title game and play like they did all year then I think they have that title cinched. If they play like they did against K-State...well like I said earlier.....LSU/USC 107-OU 0.

The thing is that at this point OU has no right to "go there" so what you are saying is not plausible.

Yes but OU more than likely....IS going. So therefore what I'm saying is very plausabile.

OU lost won game. So did USC and LSU. OU dominated there opponents worse than LSU or USC did. OU's numbers had people talking about "best ever".

I would say because of 1 fluke loss doesn't mean OU has no right to be there.

OU still has a right to be there based on there dominance and seasonal numbers.

 

Honestly though I think there are way to many Oklahoma haters. People were just waiting for them to lose so they could cry foul if they went. So if OU lost to Texas and then crushed K-State in the Conference Championship would people still be crying foul? Yes they probably would. Because OU is the devil or something and doesn't deserve shit.

 

Everyone always has some catch to them winning. Or some catch to there winning during the season.

If they'd done nothing but beat Top 10 teams all season people would still have SOMETHING to say.

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Here's a really key point to make. If the scenerio plays out where we get a split national champion it will be the fault of the BCS. The reason why is tommorrow USC will be #1 both polls most likely and if they went on beat Michigan as we know they'll be national champs in the AP. But if it was the way before the BCS they'd also be the national champ of the Coaches poll because they'd stay #1 rather than being automatically leap frogged by the the winner of the Sugar Bowl. Right or wrong if you believed USC was the national champ or not they would be the outright national champion and there would be no split of the title.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

"So if OU lost to Texas and then crushed K-State in the Conference Championship would people still be crying foul?"

 

No...then they'd be in the same boat as USC and LSU.

 

Everyone who is the champion of their conference raise your hand.

 

Not so fast Oklahoma

[Damaramu 0]

"So if OU lost to Texas and then crushed K-State in the Conference Championship would people still be crying foul?"

 

No...then they'd be in the same boat as USC and LSU.

 

Everyone who is the champion of their conference raise your hand.

 

Not so fast Oklahoma

But the point is moot because they are probably going to the national title game. And if they win it and USC loses there game then technically...they are the national champion...no if's and's or but's. You can say "They're not the real national champion!" but you'd be wrong because well...they won the national championship.