It was bound to happen sooner or later....

[Guest notJames]

So how long do we start talking about the Hart family in the same manner that we speak of the Von Erichs?

 

Or has it already happened?

 

No way am I watching this.

[Guest buffybeast]

I'll watch just to see how far Bret has fallen into the depths of mental illness.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Vince needs to talk this out with Hart in private, not in the damn ring.  Maybe then, Hart can get on with his life and heal mentally and physically. >>>

 

 

Bret still isn't over Montreal, for God's sake.

 

There isn't much Vince could do for him.

                      -=Mike

 

...Anybody have bets on Owen saying "Look Out Below"?

[Guest buffybeast]

Actually, according to the referee who was set to work Owen's match that night, Owen yelled something to that effect to that ref.

 

There is one thing that Vince could do to help mend the relationship between himself and Bret: give Bret access to his video history, which is owned 100% by Vince.  Bret has said over and over again that he'd like access to it, which Vince won't allow.

[Guest Human Fly]

I won't watch it. I'll read a recap of it, but i don't want to see it.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

<<<Actually, according to the referee who was set to work Owen's match that night, Owen yelled something to that effect to that ref.

 

There is one thing that Vince could do to help mend the relationship between himself and Bret: give Bret access to his video history, which is owned 100% by Vince.  Bret has said over and over again that he'd like access to it, which Vince won't allow. >>>

 

 

As Vince has pointed out, this is a ridiculous desire.

 

It'd be like an actor demanding the rights to his movie footage. There is not a studio on Earth that would do that.

 

Why in the heck should the WWF do that for Bret?

 

Bret's insane. Plain and simple.

 

And, now, he's doing something so distasteful that it never even entered Vince's mind to this point.

 

At this point, screw Bret Hart.

                 -=Mike

[Guest Cataclysm911]

I'll believe it when I see it. That's all I have to say about that.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

it's sad. but often when a family member(s) dies other family members try to do something like this, of course most don't go on natinal television.

 

i still like bret.i always will. i've met him and he was very very nice and thoughtful. His work in the ring is all that ever mattered to me and he will always be a Canadian icon.

 

But Now I REALLY hate Goldberg.

[Guest Brian]

I agree with Mike. The value of his video library probably excedes the highest lump sum any court would award Bret Hart over defamation and negligence.

[Guest mastermind]

You know I don't want to get all emotional here, but something is indeed wrong with Bret. I read some people's opinions that he has been through a lot. I lost my grandmother in 1997 or 1998 in another country and have never seen her since. I still think she is alive sometimes since I never went to her funeral. Anyone from Toronto who remembers or listened to the news in 1999 might recall what I'm about to say. I know someone close who was shot 3 times in November 1998. In 1999 I had a "friend" who lost his best friend to murder behind a strip club. He was stabbed over 30 times and died with CAMERAS at the scene. His death never even went to court as all of a sudden the cameras weren't "working" that night. R.I.P. No follow up or nothing.

 

Three months later this "friend" had another friend die in his sleep. Died mysteriously of natural causes. The last time he saw him he was healthy as can be playing basketball. On the night he died it was rumoured he was going to get signed by a major music label. This guy was also a HUGE HUGE wrestling fan(collected everything from the action figures to the wwf sports cards back in the day). This "friend" was actually going to bring down tons of old videos of wrestling and reminiscent about the murdered friend who was also a big wrestling fan. Around the same time he got a tribute on MuchMusic Owen Hart died the following weekend. At first this "friend" thought the wwf was doing another Russo tasteless angle. Now death was in friggin wrestling just what he needed.

 

Then in October 1999 this "friend" lost another friend to a car crash by people who were chasing him. Then November I knew another person who got shot several times. Beat Tupac hands down and survived. Then at a concert someone this "friend" knew in passing passed away after getting murdered at a club in December 1999. Now THIS is hard to deal with. All this stuff happened in one year. This "friend" did lose it for awhile, but slowly time has healed things a bit, but the scars are still deep.

 

I'm saying all this to basically state that Bret has lost his marbles. Not to get all religious and whatnot, but that stuff is said to be of the devil's work. I can't believe this is Bret Hart, man. Remember when I was saying that Bret needed closure by returning and having a strong goodbye? I was saying this from personal experience. Bret will always feel empty with knowing his "home" and his "father" betrayed him. He is just too proud to admit it. If he makes it to his father's age he will still be stuck with 1997 and 1999. Goldberg's stupid accident doesn't help either. I kind of feel for the guy now. I didn't think he would become bitter as Bruno or shafted as Hogan was in the wwf in the "new generation".

[Guest art_vandelay]

Personally, I see absolutely nothing wrong with this.  Has it ever occured to you guys that he may have been asked to do this?  And like someone previously stated, perhaps he is still grieving his losses and this might just be another venue for him to deal with his pain.  It's not a cry for attention, give me a fucking break.  I don't think that he will be paid anything for this either.  As ridiculous as the show sounds, would you do it if you were in his shoes?  He's got nothing to lose, the public already knows all his dirt.  My opinion of Bret Hart does not change any way.

[Guest mastermind]

Asked by who? Nope I wouldn't do it and I have been in his shoes. I had friends going to mystic people to find out the murderers and such. It only heats your anger. What would it really accomplish? I don't really believe we can deal with spirits in the first place(although a lady did predict that somone would die in a car crash which is some devious spiritual stuff imo), but even take my bias away. How will hearing from Owen and Helen help him? Owen saying he didn't want to do it or that to be all right Bret? Anyways, I'm not even judging the guy or anything. I just think that Bret is losing it after this long while(although his mother just passing would bring things back I agree). As for doing it for money. I don't think he is either. I just wonder why do it in public. After all he did state that was a problem he had with Vince. Just saying that's all.

[Guest art_vandelay]

Asked by who? Nope I wouldn't do it and I have been in his shoes. I had friends going to mystic people to find out the murderers and such. It only heats your anger. What would it really accomplish? I don't really believe we can deal with spirits in the first place(although a lady did predict that somone would die in a car crash which is some devious spiritual stuff imo), but even take my bias away. How will hearing from Owen and Helen help him? Owen saying he didn't want to do it or that to be all right Bret? Anyways, I'm not even judging the guy or anything. I just think that Bret is losing it after this long while(although his mother just passing would bring things back I agree). As for doing it for money. I don't think he is either. I just wonder why do it in public. After all he did state that was a problem he had with Vince. Just saying that's all.

Asked by the producers of the show.  Perhaps he is doing it in public because this is the only forum where he can get this type of "treatment."  His problem with Vince is different from this one.  That's wrestling, this is family.  And if you don't believe in spirits, then maybe Bret does, or would at least feel like giving it a shot.  A lot of people do believe.  I think it can help a great deal, knowing your deceased loved ones are alright, or whatever.  Yeah, it may heat your anger, but it could just as well offer comfort and closure.  Who really knows what "Owen" will have to say anyway?  Are you certain he'll be blaming Vince for his death?  Of course you aren't, and neither is Bret Hart.

[Guest mastermind]

You are right about this being family and not about Vince and rightfully so. If the producers did ask him to do it they are exploiting Bret. I bet if he gets worse the producers won't do anything to help him. Maybe they will who knows, but they are exploiting the guy. If this was anyone here you think they would come calling? Ratings the same reason why Owen died.

[Guest art_vandelay]

If the producers did ask him to do it they are exploiting Bret. I bet if he gets worse the producers won't do anything to help him. Maybe they will who knows, but they are exploiting the guy. If this was anyone here you think they would come calling? Ratings the same reason why Owen died.

Well, I won't debate that.  This and that Guiding Light seem to focus on celebrities as their main attraction.  But I can't say I'm not interested in the show either.

[Guest godthedog]

i feel sorry for this man's kids.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

So the same network that cancelled the Mole, has a special where people speak to the dead.  Its a wonder that ABC is still in business.

[Guest]

What the fuck happened to this guy?  I know what happened to him but everyone has trajedy in their lifes and most don't go stark raving crazy.

Yeah, what a fuckin' joke. No offense, but he better not EVER mention McMahon or the WWF of being perverted with owen's death. IMO, this is just tragic.

Joe P.

[Guest]

You know......

 

 

Bret was no longer employed by the WWF in November 97. its 2002 Now Vince doesn't need to say crap to Bret Hart now.  Bret had fives years, to get that silliness out of his system.

 

Owen Dies accidently but no Must have been Vince that evil bastard's fault.

 

His Mom dies,  another McMahon Conspiracy...

 

Whats  next Bret ontop of Titan Towers with a High powered Rifle?

 

Bret has some blaming issues overreaction and needs Therapy seriously.  Im sure when the WWF went to Calgary and the Hart clan went to Raw  Bret was under his bed with a Homemade Vince Voodoo doll.

 

His Legacy was trashed when he left, how he harped on the crap. his legacy got worse going to WCW and getting whats left of his career taken from him.

 

His legacy was killed when he couldnt change with the times. It ain't 1991 1992 1993 or 1994...But he thinks Wrestling must stand still as long as he is in it. Whatever.

[Guest buffybeast]

Can someone explain to me why do some people believe that Montreal 97 Screwjob was a work?

[Guest crandamaniac]

Can someone explain to me why do some people believe that Montreal 97 Screwjob was a work?

People say that b/c mainly the fact that Vince was able to start his evil corporate character, and Bret was able to get a more money deal w/ WCW.

 

My opinion of the show is this.  The producers who decided to do this is exploiting things.  They realize that wrestling is still a very hot commodity right now.  When something is hot, there are often 2 things people do, they either jump on the bandwagon, or they slam it any chance they get.

Unfortunately ABC feels that to slam wrestling, they must "dig up the grave" of Owen Hart.  I don't feel that Bret should be going this route, as to me it's just a ratings ploy for ABC.  Think about it, ABC has ran Monday Night Football for a long time, then wrestling hits big, and they lose ratings.  They've slammed wrestling in the past, and now, this is there chance to slam it again.  Monday, at 9 pm, I will be watching Raw, and if they do go thru with this, i doubt i'll watch another ABC show again.  This is just deplorable

[Guest Singular]

That's Pathetic.  WHat are they going to do on the show?  Have someone imply that they are speaking with Owen and Bret's mom and then relay the message to Bret?  How fucking stupid.  Is this like that bullshit "crossing over" show that has moronic members of the audience dupped into believing that some shmuck can talk to dead people?

Way to go Bret.  I would much rather be on some bullshit ghost show than referee the main even of Wrestlemania. (sarcasm)...

[Guest RickyB]

Way to go Bret.  I would much rather be on some bullshit ghost show than referee the main even of Wrestlemania. (sarcasm)...

God, you might not agree with Bret's decisions but at least understand that it's his choice not yours.  Bret has his reasons for not working Wrestlemania, they are his reasons, at least respect them.  He's doing this show because he thinks it might be a way for him to get over the deaths of Owen and Helen.

 

Understand that people try to get over things in different ways, the way he goes about it might be different to the way that you try and get over it.  It doesn't mean his way is wrong.

 

I'm sick of everyone making this big thing about "Bret going crazy" because of the way he left the WWF.  He hardly ever talks about the WWF anymore, the only times he does are when the WWA tell him too (on WWA events) and when the WWF recently offered him a contract to referee the main event of Wrestlemania.  I don't understand how when Vince made all of these comments about Bret he's supposedly "In Character" but when Bret does then he's shooting on McMahon.  Can anyone say "double standard"?

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Asked by the producers of the show.  Perhaps he is doing it in public because this is the only forum where he can get this type of "treatment.">>>

 

 

That is patently absurd. You can find any number of total frauds who will do the same crap without TV cameras.

 

This is a desperate cry for attention.

 

 

<<<His problem with Vince is different from this one.  That's wrestling, this is family.  And if you don't believe in spirits, then maybe Bret does, or would at least feel like giving it a shot.  A lot of people do believe.  I think it can help a great deal, knowing your deceased loved ones are alright, or whatever.>>>

 

 

And, if you believe in it, WHY NOT DO IT PRIVATELY?

 

What benefit does doing this on national TV provide?

 

It'll either make Bret look more insane than he already is or allow him to attack Vince a little more---neither of which are terribly good for him.

 

Hart seemed upset that Vince had Pillman's wife on RAW right after he died. Why is this different?

 

 

<<<Yeah, it may heat your anger, but it could just as well offer comfort and closure.  Who really knows what "Owen" will have to say anyway?  Are you certain he'll be blaming Vince for his death?  Of course you aren't, and neither is Bret Hart. >>>

 

 

Seeing as how talking to the dead is a scam, you can make assumptions. I hope this doesn't turn into an Vince-bashing fest---but since Bret has little else he seems anxious to talk about, I'm not optimistic.

                       -=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

<<<God, you might not agree with Bret's decisions but at least understand that it's his choice not yours.  Bret has his reasons for not working Wrestlemania, they are his reasons, at least respect them.  He's doing this show because he thinks it might be a way for him to get over the deaths of Owen and Helen.>>>

 

 

And what people here are saying is that doing this on national TV is a horrible idea. If he is dead-set on following this foolishness, I'm sure there are scam artists right near his house who will do it for him without TV cameras.

 

You seem to miss the whole "Why televise this?" line. If Bret wants a seance, fine. Have one. Doing it on TV is explotive.

 

 

<<<Understand that people try to get over things in different ways, the way he goes about it might be different to the way that you try and get over it.  It doesn't mean his way is wrong.>>>

 

 

His way won't help him and will likely make things worse.

 

 

<<<I'm sick of everyone making this big thing about "Bret going crazy" because of the way he left the WWF.>>>

 

 

No, we say he's crazy because of his actions after he left the WWF. He's shown himself to be less than stable repeatedly.

 

 

<<<He hardly ever talks about the WWF anymore, the only times he does are when the WWA tell him too (on WWA events) and when the WWF recently offered him a contract to referee the main event of Wrestlemania.>>>

 

 

Basically, whenever he mentions wrestling, the WWF seems to get a negative mention.

 

Oh, that and Luke Graham. He got a negative mention, too.

 

 

<<<I don't understand how when Vince made all of these comments about Bret he's supposedly "In Character" but when Bret does then he's shooting on McMahon.  Can anyone say "double standard"? >>>

 

 

Well, Vince seldom mentions Bret nowadays (and the only times Bret is mentioned recently have always been positive) while Bret can't let his hatred of Vince go---that seems to be a big problem.

                   -=Mike

[Guest]

*I won't watch it. I'll read a recap of it, but i don't want to see it.*

 

Same here. I respect Bret's decision to do this (whatever the reasons behind it may be), but I don't have to watch it.

[Guest RickyB]

Well, Vince seldom mentions Bret nowadays (and the only times Bret is mentioned recently have always been positive) while Bret can't let his hatred of Vince go---that seems to be a big problem.

 

I don't remember the last time Vince said something positive about Bret.  The last thing he said about Bret was when the fans were chanting "You Screwed Bret" and he got the mic and said "And i'd do it again and again and again" - if he wants to get Bret back then he's not doing a good job of showing it.

 

Bret has said a lot of positive things about Vince lately.  He said that for 14 years him and Vince had a sort of a Father-Son relationship and that Vince gave him the platform to become the superstar that he became.  What he's said is that he'd find it hard going back there because he doesn't want everything that happened to become an angle.  He also doesn't want everything to go out in front of the public.  What he basically wants is for Vince to call him and sort out everything in private.  I think if I was him then i'd want to sort things out with Vince first.  The last time Bret trusted Vince and talked to him (the day before Owen's funeral, when he hoped he could sort some things out with Vince) Vince went and bad mouthed him on "Off The Record".  Even if Bret was a total asshole to Vince, he should have at least understood that Bret had been going through a lot of things with his brother dying in the "sport" that both of them had been part of for years.  He doesn't want to go and appear on a WWF show just for Vince to make a total joke of him in the ring.

 

-Anyone in Wrestling knows Vince isn't to be trusted.  Most people who were involved in the WWF in the mid-80's respect Vince, but wouldn't trust him as far as they could throw him.  He's someone who was around in the "carnival" days of Wrestling when Wrestlers were always treat like Circus animals.  That's what Bret has always tried to speak out against, and what do you do?  You badmouth him, you tell him he had no right to do what he did.

 

Owen was treat like a Circus animal and look what happened to him.  I know that sounds bad but it's true, he was asked to "perform a trick for the crowd" and it cost one of the greatest technical Wrestlers his life...

[Guest]

What they forgot to report on was that Owen will be describing how Vince McMahon, Sr. is holding him down in favor of pushing bigger wrestlers like Andre, Bruiser Brody and Terry Gordy in Afterlife Chanmpionship Wrestling. He might get at a shot at reforming his tag team with Yokozuna and go for the belts at Purgatory Havoc in May against the current champs, "Ravishing" Rick Rude and "Gentleman" Chris Adams.

 

Bret will also be trying to locate his dead credibility.

I pissed my pants laughing at that shit.