Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted April 12, 2002 Lesnar vs. the Hardys: wouldn't it be somewhat different to bring up Sheldon Benjamin to tag with Lesnar in the match? They're experienced with each other, so... if they do that on RAW, this could be somewhat good. That's not a bad idea. Benjamin was supposed to be a great in ring worker down at OVW. Even making them a tag team might not be a bad idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted April 13, 2002 "Even making them a tag team might not be a bad idea." i still don' see the point of having a permanent tag team on RAW when there are no belts to fight for "Eddie looked to be in rather poor ring shape at the recent WWA Revolution pay-per-view." I agree BUT 3 ways are usually clusterfucks to begin with and Juvi isn't exactly impressing anybody right now. I'll give Eddy the benefit of the doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 13, 2002 YESSSSSSS! It looks like Test vs Mark Henry for Backlash! Now, they only have to put Albert in a match, and the card will be the best of the year! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 13, 2002 Okay, I'm not going to flame anyone for the comments about Tajiri being overrated. As tempted as I am, that would be very markish. I don't think he has looked as great as he used to before WWF, but he hasn't exactly had any good PPV opponents(with the exception of Rhino-and that match wasn't given enough time). TV matches these days are rarely well-worked outside of main events because of the 2-minute time limit. Watching Tajiri for years, I know that he is a great worker and I'd rather just watch him face Kidman and see how that match is rather than get into any arguments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 13, 2002 Anyone saying Tajiri is overrated, watch some ECW tapes/DVDs and you'll see how good of a match he can put on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted April 13, 2002 Seen that and his Big Japan work which was arguably his best stuff, and yet neither does anything for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 13, 2002 His match with Jerry Lynn & Super Crazy was good. I guess not everyone is gonna like him though.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted April 13, 2002 Tajiri ruled all in ECW. His matches were all stiff as hell and he worked well with anyone he faced. I really like his work with Super Crazy and Little Guido, and once he teamed with Mikey the feud with the FBI was a classic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted April 13, 2002 His Super Crazy match was good, like ***1/4. But this is Jerry Lynn were talking about. Specifically, what people actually like about Tajiri you can get a dime a dozen in the sleazy indies of Japan, and yet they're still as good if not better of workers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 13, 2002 If you're saying that there are a lot of great workers in Japan, I won't argue that. But, I'm not talking about Japan. For the WWF, Tajiri is very near the top as far as working goes as I see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted April 13, 2002 He's not even near Austin, Benoit, Eddie, or even Jericho or Angle. He's more like a Rock. Not a bad worker, not a great one. But he seriously needs someone, like a Patterson or an Ace, laying out the offense of his match or else he's going to overexpose what limited moveset. He's missing a lot more than that but I don't want to get too far into it. Basically his selling is mediocre, psychology is mediocre, and he doesn't really have the mic skills to go through with this heel turn on his own. He can step it up when he's in there with someone who wants to go, but that doesn't make his matches better; it definately makes them fun to watch. The only great match I've personally seen of Tajiri's is against Ohtani. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 13, 2002 Okay, I'm not going to dispute who is a better worker. I never said he was the best worker, but he's definitely in the top half. And as far as comparing him to the Rock goes, that is just ridiculous. Maybe comparing him to the Rock 4-5 years ago is justifiable, but now? Not at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 13, 2002 first off, saying Tajiri has a limited moveset and then saying Austin is a better worker is, well, yeah. HHH vs. Hogan: dear god. get ready for a lot of sweating and grunting. and the triumphant return of stephanie. *shivers* Actually, Jericho will probably run in, of course, Hogan and HHH will double team him and move on with the match. Angle vs. Edge: Eh. Angle rules, obviously, but Edge is only decent. maybe if he had some *INTENSITY*. At least this will have a clean ending, unless Angle wins Lesnar vs. Hardys: I put this so high on the list because i'm looking foward to seeing all the Hardy triplets get killed. Tag Titles: Billy Gunn vs. Maven. The Megapowers Explode!!! Test vs. Mark Henry: I'll let Anglesualt handle this one. Albert vs. Rikishi: see my last two sarcastic comments. Combine then, if it pleases you. Spike vs. Regal: with any luck this won't happen. if it does, look for total Regal-nation interuppted by an acid drop. Kidman vs. Tajiri: do they still have a title? eh. We all know both these guys can work, but this match will be majorly Russo-fied by Torrie Wilson. (10 minutes? Please?) RVD vs. Eddie: this match is last, because it will rule. however Eddy must control the match. RVD's psychology is as bad as his high spots are good. And i'm a big RVD fan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 13, 2002 Undisputed WWF Title HHH vs. Hulk Hogan #1 Contenders Match Steve Austin vs. Undertaker Kurt Angle vs. Edge Intercontinental Title RVD vs. Eddy Guerrero Cruiserweight Title Kidman vs. Tajiri I'm sure we'll see a gay Kane & Bradshaw vs. nWo match I suppose we'll have to see a tag title match...looks like Al Snow & Maven from where I sit. They may put Regal vs. Spike rematch on ppv...cause that = ratings. Probably a Lesner vs. the Hardys match They may throw in a Hardcore match of somekind too...woopee What about guys like Jericho, Booker, Hurricane, Christian, Val Venis, DDP, Raven, Lance Storm and for godsake Funaki. Hunter vs. Hogan -Triple used to be good, but hasn't been since returning. Hogan is old... and never was good. And I'm sorry, but 3 shows is not nearly enough hype for a main event. Damn roster split. The only thing that can save this match from being unbearable is the crowd heat and good booking; and I really don't see the latter happening, so it's basically Rock/Hogan II. Austin vs. UT -Both of these guys are past their primes, but I firmly believe they can put out a good match. Kurt Angle vs. Edge -Edge's first really good opponent in ages. Edge is not even in Angle's league, but he is still pretty good and I know Angle can carry him if need be. This should be a good one. RVD vs. Guerrero -This definitely has the potential to steal the show. I really want it to be good. I just hope it lives up to everyone's expectations. Kidman vs. Tajiri -I'm going to have to agree with what someone else said. This definitely can be great, but the match will probably focus on Torrie and thus not be what it could be. Kane/Bradshaw vs. nWo -I think Kane is pretty decent. Especially for his size. He DEFINITELY won't be carrying anyone anytime soon, though. Sleeper. Chuckabilly vs. Maven/Snow -Al Snow is very good, but he has to be Tough Enough Trainer Al now. Maven is in the WWF about 3 years before he should be. Chuck is decent. Billy is well....not. I'll be into this one, though, because I really want Maven's team to lose. I don't want to see him have a legit title. Regal vs. Spike -I respect Spike for the bumps he can take, but he's definitely not going to shine against Regal. There's like no chemistry here. Lesnar vs. the Hardys -If they job the Hardys to Lesnar handicapped style, it'll really hurt their credability. So, the WWF better damn sure hope Lesnar is worth it. I don't see this being anything special. It'll likely be Lesnar dominating at first, Hardys taking the advantage on double teams, Lesnar pulling out the win. I'm guessing it'll be tag handicapped and not straight up 2-on-1. Hmmm... maybe the WWF will take the hardcore division seriously and use guys who can go beyond bananas and trumpets. Ahahahaha. I crack myself up sometimes. WHY SHOULD JERICHO BE ON THE SHOW GUYS? HE RUINED THE ANGLE WITH TRIPLE H! ALL HAIL STEPHANIE CHRIST FOR SAVING IT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted April 13, 2002 Smell the Ratings, what do you mean. I explained what I meant; Tajiri has a limited moveset but lacks the psychology and pacing to make it effective. Where as Austin even when he was injured could working better (though Tajiri is workable and carryable) and did at times when he didn't go into the straight brawling mindset, which seems to be his major fault. But Austin knows how to put the match together with his moveset, he knows how to build that psychology (case in point, WrestleMania with the Rock). Maybe if Tajiri is given enough time on a regular basis he could work these traits into a match, but nothing really strong resulted in ECW or BJPW when he had the chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 13, 2002 Call me a Tajiri mark if you want. He had an excellent match with Lynn, and Lynn didn't carry it. I loved the feud with Super Crazy. I think he had great singles and tag matches with Little Guido. I didn't watch him before ECW, so I can't say for Japan. Call me a mark for not nit-picking every little tiny thing about the matches and just thinking they were great. But, I really enjoy his matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 13, 2002 YESSSSSSS! It looks like Test vs Mark Henry for Backlash! Now, they only have to put Albert in a match, and the card will be the best of the year! This just in. It looks like Albert vs Rikishi at Backlash. Should be a ***** classic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 13, 2002 With the Mega(Political) Powers set to collide for the undisputed title, with Rikishi, Albert and his new look (where the HELL is Rico the one man fashion police when you really need him?), Mark Henry, and Billy Gunn all on the card, and Jericho, Booker T, and The Rock all off the card...Backlash could end up being downright hideous. HHH vs HHH Watcha gonna do, when my $35 isn't forked over for you? I actually kinda like the idea of Hunter being outmaneuvered and buried a month into his reign. I hate both guys, but right now I hate Hogan a little less. Austin vs The Undertaker What? I said this match is going to suck! What? I said this match is going to be bad! What? Bad. What? Not good. What? An abomination. What? Not worth the toilet paper it's booked on. What? I said I don't care. Austin always beats the Undertaker. So either the tradition continues or Undertaker is due. Given the force of UT on raw, I think he's due. But maybe Austin was promised a win in this sort of match when he was coaxed back from his little vacation. Either way, but I lean towards Stone Cold. Kurt Angle vs Edge Angle should absolutely destroy Edge, but instead he'll squeak by. Here's an idea way too good for the WWF to actually use: Angle beats the crap out of Edge. Gets the win but decides to beat him up more. Jericho comes to join him. Looks like they're going to severely maim Edge. But Christian makes the save, and the brothers are back together because Edge sucks donkey balls apart and solo Christian has been aborted. Put them back together and let's try Christian solo in about 8 months when everyone has forgotten about the tantrums. But instead we'll probably get Angle jobbing, because God hates me. Tajiri vs Billy Kidman Could be really fun to watch, but if you blink, you'll miss it, because they ain't getting more than four minutes. Torrie leaves with Kidman, who retains. Rikishi vs Albert Well, at least it can't possibly last too long. Test vs Mark Henry See above. They should combine these two bouts. Test and Albert vs Rikishi and Mark Henry. Reunite T&A! (They were at their least sucky in these days, and Smackdown needs the teams). RVD vs Eddie Guererro This has been really, really hot on Raw. So you'd think they'd get plenty of time to do a good match. Here's the showstealer, as they should get the time as showcasing RVD and setting him up for elevation is probably more important than undercutting Eddie G. as continued punishment for his past problems. Billy Gunn and Chuck Palumbo vs Al Snow and Maven Champs will retain because Maven sucks, Al Snow is always jobbed (always) and he's Mr. Tough Enough Trainer anyway. Besides, Vince McMahon will never pull his head out of his ass, man, and thus he'll never give up on Billy Gunn. Palumbo deserves better. Bradshaw and Kane vs Scott Hall & X-Pac Um, no. If they're serious about making a singles player out of Bradshaw and/or repackaging Kane, this is the match to do it. Vince has gotten what he wanted out of the NWO, and what's left of it is now expendable. Besides, X-Pac doesn't deserve to beat his meat, much less anybody else in this match. The Obligatory Hardcore Clusterfuck Bubba Ray Dudley vs a continuing parade of Who Cares (look for Booker T, Goldust, at least one Hardy boy, and probably Lance Storm and DDP too).Bubba Ray does battle with all comers until Brock Lesnar kills EVERYBODY dumb enough to get involved and leaves without bothering to pick up the cheap Softcore Title... Trish Stratus vs Molly Holly I wish they were doing this match, instead of the Flab Four (Albert, Test, Rikishi, M. Henry) time-waste. This would be a pretty good short match (4 to 6 minutes tops) with the potential to be one of the better matches on the card, were it not for the minor setback that it isn't happening. Anything I may have forgotten is probably deliberate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sakura Report post Posted April 13, 2002 If Trips gets through this match, he's keeping the title til Unforgiven at least Where do you get that from? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted April 13, 2002 If Trips gets through this match, he's keeping the title til Unforgiven at least Where do you get that from? Uhm, maybe because something...odd has happened to all the people who started the year as main eventers. you see, none of them are anymore. So Trips is the only real main eventer left. Thus, he has to keep it for a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alfdogg Report post Posted April 13, 2002 Trips is the only real main eventer left. I can't agree with that, as much as I'd like to. I would still count Austin up there, as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted April 13, 2002 Trips is the only real main eventer left. I can't agree with that, as much as I'd like to. I would still count Austin up there, as well. I'm not sure yet. he WAS HHDemoted, and since he's back from hell, he really hasn't done anything to prove solid main event status. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sakura Report post Posted April 13, 2002 Uhm, maybe because something...odd has happened to all the people who started the year as main eventers. you see, none of them are anymore. So Trips is the only real main eventer left. Thus, he has to keep it for a while. .....What are you talking about? He would have to have somebody to defend the title against. Unforgiven is a long ways off... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted April 13, 2002 Who? Rock is making movies. Before that he was Pussified. Angle and Jericho have become near worthless thanks to demotions. Hogan won't be around much longer. For some reason RVD is no longer at the cusp of the main event Austin's value is still a question mark. Kane is, well, Kane. Undertaker/HHH got a HUGE negative reaction. Who does that leave? Oh, Nash, Waltman and Hall. Now, who are they friends with? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alfdogg Report post Posted April 13, 2002 .....What are you talking about? He would have to have somebody to defend the title against. Unforgiven is a long ways off... Yes, he will have people to defend against. But the point here is that which one is he ever going to job to? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alfdogg Report post Posted April 13, 2002 Hogan won't be around much longer. Yeah, and people also said that WM8 would be his last match... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted April 13, 2002 The Nostalgia run can't last forever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sakura Report post Posted April 13, 2002 Rock will be back in June. Austin has been "demoted" for all of 4 weeks. How do you know Hogan is leaving soon? Who knows what RVD, Jericho and Angle will be doing in 4 months? 6 months ago RVD was main eventing, who's to say that won't be the case again by summer? Unforgiven is half a year away, I know HHH is an evil backstage monster who holds everyone down, but come on...this crystal ball shit is ridiculous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sakura Report post Posted April 13, 2002 Yes, he will have people to defend against. But the point here is that which one is he ever going to job to? UT? Austin? Angle? Rock? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted April 13, 2002 Austin has been "demoted" for all of 4 weeks. Why was he at all? How do you know Hogan is leaving soon? The Nostagia or his body will wear out. Who knows what RVD, Jericho and Angle will be doing in 4 months Why aren't they doing anything NOW? 6 months ago RVD was main eventing, who's to say that won't be the case again by summer? Why not NOW? Because they needed room in the main event for Hunter's friends? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
