Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 28, 2004 I'm not (as) Lazy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OnlyMe Report post Posted January 28, 2004 You mean that you hate a "feud" that isn't really a feud, and hasn't fully played out on TV, and you know exactly how WWE should have done it? Good work... I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 28, 2004 You mean that you hate a "feud" that isn't really a feud, I see your point. I should have worded that better. It's actually an awful foundation (of a feud) that simply cannot lead to a feud that makes sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted January 28, 2004 you make it sound like Midgets are a bad thing...embrace the midgets Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 I'm liking the feud, but just let THE match (when it finally happens) tell the real story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 28, 2004 (edited) I'm liking the feud, but just let THE match (when it finally happens) tell the real story. The match should have a story to tell. And just to invite conversation, why do you like the angle? How does it make sense to you? Is there a specific aspect you like? Edited January 28, 2004 by Anglesault Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 And just to invite conversation, why do you like the angle? How does it make sense to you? Is there a specific aspect you like? Seeing Kurt / Eddie on a PPV is good enough for me It keeps both guys in a solid status. Its pretty serious how's it going so far. This feud is far from comedy at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 28, 2004 And just to invite conversation, why do you like the angle? How does it make sense to you? Is there a specific aspect you like? A.) Seeing Kurt / Eddie on a PPV is good enough for me B.) It keeps both guys in a solid status. I'm not gonna argue with you on these. If a match is good enough for you, good for you. C.) Its pretty serious how's it going so far. This feud is far from comedy at this point. Partly because it has no legit direction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Partly because it has no legit direction. Other than Eddie most likely wanting to kick Kurt's ass for sticking his nose in family business. I know you're against it because Kurt shouldn't be doing it to begin with, but come on, he has to do something (that is in the good light) and we can only get a good match out of it which is the important part, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mindless_Aggression Report post Posted January 28, 2004 I see what AS is saying, it really doesn't make any sense for Angle to just decide he's gonna try to unite the Guererro family. And as much as I've racked my brain, i can't really think of a coherent reason for why Angle would do such a thing. Maybe out of respect, as he truly does respect Los Guerreros as a tag team and didn't want to see them fall to shambles. They beat him in tag team format and as a result, he holds them in a high regard and doesn't want to see it fall apart. Hell, maybe he's downright a fan of them. And then the other night at the Rumble, the guy who's side he was on, Eddie G, goes batshit and tries to kill Chavo dead and Angle finds it to be unnecessary and pointless. He beat the man fair and square, that should be enough. Eddie took it too far I'm not saying any of that is good or makes sense but it's the best I can do. Fuck it, job everyone to Orton and let God sort them out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Either Angle was genuine about his reasons or this was some cruel game he decided to play to make Eddie suffer for whatever reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Did everybody but me forget Angle's promo when he came back thanking the soldiers for fighting for us and saying that people need to look at that and realise we aren't one another's enemies, and that family values needed to be reinstated because families now-a-days are no longer close as they once were. Thus he's trying to help keep the Guerrero family together Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mystery Eskimo 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 They should forget whats happened so far and keep it simple. When Eddie wins the title, just have Angle say "I'm better than you. You cheated to get where you are, I'm a real hero, I'm going to take that belt away from you." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest OnlyMe Report post Posted January 28, 2004 You mean that you hate a "feud" that isn't really a feud, I see your point. I should have worded that better. It's actually an awful foundation (of a feud) that simply cannot lead to a feud that makes sense. I apologise for the snarky tone of my post. I won't post before coffe in future I stand by my point though: Give it a chance. If (and they probably will) WWE fuck things up, then dive on them then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Did everybody but me forget Angle's promo when he came back thanking the soldiers for fighting for us and saying that people need to look at that and realise we aren't one another's enemies, and that family values needed to be reinstated because families now-a-days are no longer close as they once were. Thus he's trying to help keep the Guerrero family together Yeah, but the Guerrero's "family values" are lying, cheating, and stealing (a family of Rudos it seems). This wouldn't really go well with Kurt's current character. The whole family values thing makes me sense a heel turn. After all, Vince had the words constantly thrown in his face during his battle with the PTC. Perhaps Kurt's heel character will be even more puritanical than his original one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 28, 2004 I stand by my point though: Give it a chance. If (and they probably will) WWE fuck things up, then dive on them then. I have a great record of seeing these things coming before they hit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AnonymousBroccoli 0 Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Kurt did have a baby after most of the stuff you pointed out (Eric's apperance with Brock might be the exception), so maybe he's become a new, gung-ho-for-family man as a father. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Kurt did have a baby after most of the stuff you pointed out (Eric's apperance with Brock might be the exception), so maybe he's become a new, gung-ho-for-family man as a father. He still tried to get out of defending the title at Mania by trying to get in Steph's pants. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JRE Report post Posted January 28, 2004 So since when hasn't Kurt been a hypocrite? (The character, of course) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 28, 2004 I don't think he ever really was. He was alot of things, but especially later, not really a hypocrite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Suicide King Report post Posted January 28, 2004 My devious thoughts? The reason Chavo went jealous of Eddie when he did was because of a little devil Angle sitting on his shoulder. Angle played things just right so that Chavo would explode on Eddie right before the Royal Rumble, thus making the angry Eddie demand a match. Kurt's master plan? TO KEEP EDDIE OUT OF THE RUMBLE, so that Kurt could win it. Played right, this will show that a main event mainstay like Kurt Angle fears and respects Eddie's ability enough to have to play games to counteract his threat. Kurt isn't jealous of Eddie, he is keenly aware of his talent, and as the established intelligent man that he is he tried to beat Eddie the only way that he could, by using his temper. Thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 28, 2004 How come Kurt didn't run some plan to keep the other favorites out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Suicide King Report post Posted January 28, 2004 (edited) 2 reasons. One, he didn't think the were a threat, or he was sure he could take care of them. The second reason? A 16 man royal rumble wouldn't be as much fun for us to watch. Edited January 28, 2004 by Suicide King Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JRE Report post Posted January 29, 2004 I don't think he ever really was. He was alot of things, but especially later, not really a hypocrite. Later as in...when he turned face? Of course he wouldn't act that way as a face. Later as in...the last heel run he had? Full of standard heel hypocricy. Why take Eddy out of the Rumble and Battle Royal? He doesn't want Eddy to win...possibly because he thinks Eddy's success is tearing the family apart. Which of course begs the question "Then why would he want Eddy and Chavo to fight." Possible reasons include Kurt knowing that Eddy might single him out in the Rumble or in the Battle Royal (because Kurt stuck his nose in Eddy's business and screwed some stuff up)....hell...possibly because family's just gotta fight sometimes- Kurt did fight with his brother. There are many scenarios. The point? What you're confused about is justified, does every point of every angle ened to be explained to you before hand? Nah...that takes the fun away, it takes the future promos away, and hell...if everything was explained- Kurt would have been a heel since the day this angle started. Let's look at an example...the recent Mick Foley angle- it didn't really click until Monday. If when Mick walked out JR simply explained that "Mick couldn't tap into his hatred"...or whatever...it just wouldn't have worked. The whole jist of this thread, or the oodles or others in which you bring up your tiored argument- is that you want an explanation for a storyline that simply hasn't had to be explained yet. Why hasn't it had to be explained? Because the fact that Kurt is involved in a situation he shouldn't be is part of the depth of the storyline. Depth. Yes. I'm sure the WWE thinks that a lot of the fanbase doesn't care about it and can't understand complication. Don't prove them right. Now, had you're column been speculation as to what the future of the storyline holds and explanation of why what had already happened has happened...it would have been a better read....instead you held that tired, bitter tone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted January 29, 2004 Let's look at an example...the recent Mick Foley angle- it didn't really click until Monday. If when Mick walked out JR simply explained that "Mick couldn't tap into his hatred"...or whatever...it just wouldn't have worked. I see that as apples and oranges. Foley had no reason to feud with Orton, so he walked out On the other side, nothing in Kurt or Eddie's past together gives them any legitimate reason to feud. It's almost the same situation, except that it differs in Foley and Angle's actions. Foley had no reason to care about Orton, so he left until he did. Kurt had no reason to care about Eddy, so he starts shit with him. Unless they pull the Kane route and make up fake history, no promo will make sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Der Kommissar 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2004 How come Kurt didn't run some plan to keep the other favorites out? Well, the other favourites on the Smackdown side were: Big Show, Benoit, and Cena. Kurt has already proven he can beat Benoit and Cena, and I am guessing he defeated Big Show at some point. I can't really remember a recent Guerrero/Angle singles match, offhand. Maybe he figured he could handle those other three, while being unsure if he could overcome Eddie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBostonStrangler 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2004 As far as I can tell, Angle came back after his surgery a changed man in character. In that first promo he cut after his return, he talked about spending time with his daughter at home and visiting troops that were split up overseas when he did a tour in Iraq. Seems to me that someone who's had a chance to see what happens to families divided by war, and a person who's had a chance to experience having a child for the first time, might just change their perspective on family. He comes out, gives this speech, and what happens? That same night, a family is being broken apart willingly, rather than by war or other reasons. This is what Kurt hates to see, so he's willing to go out there and try and reunite them, even if it's not his place. To me, this is perfectly logical. It stems from things that legitimately happened, so it's grounded in reality. If he sees a conflict, he's going to do what he can to resolve it. Anglesault mentioned in his column about how Kurt wasn't a family man, but things do change, and, in my opinion, the Angle character has most certainly changed from his earlier issues with family, and he's done it in a believeable way. I would have liked to see a couple weeks between his return and the involvement with Eddie/Chavo, but other than that, I have no issues with this feud. In fact, I find it to be one of the more compelling pieces that the WWE has going now. You have Kurt trying to straddle the line between what he believes to be right and trying to respect Eddie's freedom, you have Eddie trying to reconcile his family and dealing with an outsider butting in....it's well-written, IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted January 29, 2004 I think this is all a plan for Angle to get the WWE Title onto Eddie. That way, he can challenge Eddie for the title, because in his mind he can easily beat Eddie for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
