Guest Report post Posted April 15, 2002 In the thread about Slamboree and the Bischoff challenge to McMahon someone said the WWF used a lot of even more underhanded tactics in the 80's to put companies out of business and be sucessful than they did during the monday night wars. Keep in mind to explain a little for the clueless among you.....like me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted April 15, 2002 Here are some I remember. The talent "raids" on most promotions. Vince got Hogan, Heenan, "Mean" Gene, and others from the AWA. Debuting the first ever Survivor Series back in 1987 on the same night the NWA/WCW was debuting Starrcade on PPV (Starrcade had been around since 1983, but never on PPV) just to screw with them. That hurt the NWA/WCW a lot, as most cable companies picked the WWF over the NWA. If I remember correctly, Vince also debuted the first ever Royal Rumble on the USA Network against another NWA/WCW PPV. It was either Bunkhouse Stampede or Chi-Town Rumble '89. I'm sure others will have more to say. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JHawk Report post Posted April 15, 2002 McMahon also got exclusivity with certain arenas. Madison Square Garden being the most famous. I remember an instance where the Nassau Coliseum started booking the NWA which caused the WWF to stop running the arena. Plus, the WWF would raid all the top draws in the other federations. McMahon signed guys like The Spoiler with no intention of ever pushing them, and even had Mr. Wrestling II for two freaking years without ever putting him on TV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 15, 2002 Who were Spoiler and Mr. Wrestling 2? He really never appeared on tv eve once? Did they relase him or did he quit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 16, 2002 WWF Royal Rumble 1988 was running up against NWA Bunkhouse Stampede. Royal Rumble was shown for free. Bunkhouse Stampede was shown on PPV. That made Jim Crockett mad. So he made Clash of the Champions which ran against Wrestlemania 4. Clash of the Champions was shown for free. Wrestlemania 4 was shown on PPV. I'm glad I could help Tony149. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted April 16, 2002 Vince often made deals with various sports arenas to keep other wrestling companies from running there, even if the WWF never had a show there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Some Guy Report post Posted April 16, 2002 Vince also had a 2 PPV exclusive deal with Sky Dome, that ran from Mania 6 until Mania 18, coincidence that the first Mania to be planned post WCW buy out was from Skydome? I don't think so. Vince might have and continue to use some predatory business tactics, but is has worked for him and he won't stop until it stops working, which it won't because he has all the power. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RickyB Report post Posted April 16, 2002 The main one he did was before WM 1. Him and his father worked together during that time, some say his father wasn't involved but he obviously was. They used the fact that other Promoters trusted him to their advantage. What they would do is call big names from companies like the AWA (Hulk Hogan, Curt Hennig) for example and tell them not to renew their contracts. When they left they would usually got to NJPW (coincidentally a WWF affiliate at the time), a lot left at one time and Vince McMahon Sr quickly assured other companies that they had no intention of raiding their talent. Then suddenly the WWF hired all of them. This is why Vince was such a hypocrite when he complained about Turner stealing talent that he made. Hulk Hogan, Roddy Piper and Curt Hennig were all big stars before the WWF stole them from other companies. He did what Eric Bischoff did, exept he tried to hide it. He also brought shares from GCW shareholders (Ole Anderson's company, I think) which was running on a Turner Network at one point. Until he had majority shares. He then shut the company down just to get their TV timeslot and ran a WWF show on their network full of Squashes and matches between jobbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted April 16, 2002 That is all stuff that WCW (and the WWF, but not so much) did in the middle nineties. Raiding talent rosters is a part of wrestling and WCW has done some of the dirtiest playing of that game that I have ever seen. The worst being them signing champions from other companies who are under contracts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Drury37 Report post Posted April 17, 2002 This proves why there was such a big rivalry between the WWF and WCW,unfortunately for WCW Vincent K. McMahon started the battle and Vincent K. McMahon won the battle!!! Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Risk Report post Posted April 17, 2002 Yep. Vince McMahon Jr. sure is a bastard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RickyB Report post Posted April 17, 2002 Yep. Vince McMahon Jr. sure is a bastard. Yeah, but Vince McMahon Sr was just as bad. He used his reputation to make other companies believe that the WWF were never going to actually sign their Wrestlers before they actually went and did it, anyone who really thinks that Vince McMahon Sr wasn't involved really needs to go back and look at the history of the WWF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RickyB Report post Posted April 17, 2002 That is all stuff that WCW (and the WWF, but not so much) did in the middle nineties. Raiding talent rosters is a part of wrestling and WCW has done some of the dirtiest playing of that game that I have ever seen. The worst being them signing champions from other companies who are under contracts. I don't remember WCW ever signing exclusive deals with Arenas which they never planned to use (eg Skydome) or signing Wrestlers they never planned to use (eg Mr Wrestling II and The Spoiler) or buying shares in another company to shut them down and take their TV Timeslot (eg GCW). WCW used some dirty tactics (if you really call signing Wrestlers who's contracts had ran out dirty tactics.) and they only signed one Champion when Bischoff was in charge (Madusa) and the other one was when Russo was in charge (Jeff Jarret). And WCW only signed Wrestlers that the WWF weren't trying to sign back or who were free agents. Vince phoned up Wrestlers and told them not to resign with the promotion they were at before sending them to NJPW and then signing them making it seem like they weren't raiding talent from other companies and still keeping the promoters trust just to go and raid their talent again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Luke Michael Report post Posted April 17, 2002 WWF is still using "dirty" tactics. How bout signing Curt Hennig, Rey Mysterio, Hulk Hogan, Eddie Guerrerro, and Goldust??? They didn't have too much interest in them until they were with other competition feds. They also book shows in the same area right after XWF announces show in an area. And Vince McMahon is rumored to be going to television networks he has contacts with and telling them not to air other feds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Drury37 Report post Posted April 17, 2002 Vince is a jerk,but since a lot of people including myself follow the WWF and have been following them for a long time now you never really think of how much a jerk is.I could see him just driving Eric Bischoff(who I am and never was a big fan of) crazy. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Risk Report post Posted April 18, 2002 Vince can't keep a monopoly forever. One day he'll get cocky and...BAMM! New promotion. I think someone should pull a Shane Douglas on Vince and throw down the WWF World title. I don't think McMahon Sr. was as bad, at least he promoted wrestling and not SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT~! Also, do you really think McMahon Sr. would want to destroy ALL wrestling companies? Douptful. Vince Jr. is obsessed with ruling wrestling, he's scary at times. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Drury37 Report post Posted April 18, 2002 Imagine if like The Rock did a Shane Douglas and he threw done the WWF Title.Vince would go crazy,he wouldn't know what to do.It would be awesome if The Rock was like this is for Bret and he threw done the WWF Title. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted April 18, 2002 Even though Vince might be an asshole. He knows how to play the game, so to speak. Nobody else really does. Jim Crockett was okay, but debt and bad business moves hurt him. WCW was owned by people who didn't understand wrestling. Herd didn't know shit. K. Allen Frey did some good things, but did wasn't a wrestling guy. Bill Watts knew wrestling, but was too tough and some of his ideas were outdated. Bischoff was at the right place at the right time. He had something cookin' in early 1994, but money and being a mark for the stars hurt him. Bill Busch was a banker. Russo & Ferrera were more suited for the WWF than a southern rasslin' promotion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted April 18, 2002 There is no doubt in the world that Vince is a wrestling god but he is also the biggest douchebag in wrestling. After watching Wrestling With Shadows the other night my dislike for Vince grew. Seeing Vince lying to Bret's face and then screwing him, and the interviews he ran in the weeks after survivor series on raw were horrible. He is a great businessman but fuck him and his tactics. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Drury37 Report post Posted April 18, 2002 Did Kay Allen Fyre actually control the WCW for a while or was it just on the show(like an acting president)?It seemed like when he was around everything was going really good. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JHawk Report post Posted April 18, 2002 K. Allen Frye was actually the man in charge, but it lasted what, six months? Average product that didn't draw, and aside from bonuses to the men in the best match of the big shows, he didn't really do a whole lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Drury37 Report post Posted April 18, 2002 Put think of the shows he put on WCW SuperBrawl II,WCW WrestleWar 1992,WCW Beach Blast 1992,WCW Great American Bash 1992 and maybe WCW Halloween Havoc 1992 and they all were pretty decent shows. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted April 18, 2002 K. Allen Frey was around from Jan.-May 1992. Bill Watts took over in June 1992. Frey's only WCW events under him were Clash of the Champions 18, Superbrawl II & Wrestle War '92. WCW's product was hot during Frey's run. I think business slightly improved. Beach Blast '92, Great American Bash '92, COTC 19, 20, 21, Halloween Havoc '92 & Starrcade '92 were all Watts' events. COTC 23 & Superbrawl III may have been under him as well, but I don't remember. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted April 18, 2002 Tony is right, the product was good around then. Does anyone know if he had any problem with any talent back then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Drury37 Report post Posted April 19, 2002 K. Allen Frey was around from Jan.-May 1992. Bill Watts took over in June 1992. Frey's only WCW events under him were Clash of the Champions 18, Superbrawl II & Wrestle War '92. WCW's product was hot during Frey's run. I think business slightly improved. Beach Blast '92, Great American Bash '92, COTC 19, 20, 21, Halloween Havoc '92 & Starrcade '92 were all Watts' events. COTC 23 & Superbrawl III may have been under him as well, but I don't remember. That's what I thought but someone told me otherwise.WCW SuperBrawl II and WCW WrestleWar 1992 were two of the greatest WCW PPVs of all time. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
