If you could change 3 things,

[Guest]

1) Owen's Death

 

2) Pillman's Death

 

3) Vince buying WcW!

 

I could name off alot more, but here is 3 to start.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

I'd agree with those three. Also I'd stop Goldberg kicking Bret in the head and force Hogan to retire 10 years ago.

[Guest]

Hell, if I had the power, I'd go back in time and stop Bret Hart from ever going to WcW in the first place.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

Yep. I'd stop Hogan going there too.

 

On the subject of deaths, I'd prevent Rick Rudes.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I'm just doing the last couple years.

 

1.  I would NOT under ANY circumstances push HHH so hard upon his return.  NEVER.  To end WrestleMania with HHH winning that title is what I will refer to from this point on as..."How things got so bad".  Oh...the crowd loves him don't they?  The matches are great aren't they?  Fuck him.

 

2. The RVD depush NEVER happens.  Jericho beats RVD at the Royal Rumble and RVD goes IC title crazy and feuds with Geurrero (see the WWF does some things right...just by accident) Benoit, Hall ( I still say it would work), Austin and Angle...leading up to his WWF title win at WrestleMania 19.  Long term booking with a guy who stays over...= ratings.

 

3.  Benoit wins the title from the Rock at Fully Loaded 2000.  He was over.  He was the best.  There is no reason that Benoit doesn't walk out with the belts that night.  No reason at all.

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

un-injure HBK  (screw Taker)

 

un-injure Bret   (screw Goldberg)

 

un-die Owen   (screw Vince)

[Guest El Satanico]

1. WCW doesn't allow Hogan into a position of power

2. nWo turns on Hogan making Bret the new leader

3. Bret Hart wins the title off Hogan and then nWo "injures" him after the match at a PPV and Hogan is then fired in front of millions the next night on Nitro.

[Guest Risk]

I would change the deaths of Rude, Pillman, and Hart, of course.  Here are some trivial(compaired to that subject matter)things I would do.

 

1) I would stop Hogan from EVER setting foot in WCW.  I would force him to leave in 93.

 

2) I would start WWF over in 93, ignoring the past and using new champions.

 

3) I would make Sean Waltman the third man in the New World Order.  Thus, they have no leader.  Remember, Waltman was good in 96.

[Guest Singular]

1. No wrestlers have any type of pull backstage.  No booking, no glass ceilings, no dating the bosses little girl, no refusing to job.

 

2. Pushes are dictated by how hard someone works in the ring and not by any of the above.  As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, HHH is not the person to hold the title right now.  He's not anywhere near where he was before the injury and to put the belt on him so quick was a mistake when there are guys who are more deserving.

 

3. Get rid of the NWO.  Hogan, Hall, and Nash.  There is no need for them with the roster as full as it is.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Deaths and injuries are things that are out of my control, so I won't change any of them.  Instead it will be things like booking decisions.

 

1)  Bob Backlund has a nice healthy WWF Title reign in 1994-1995, before jobbing the belt back to Bret Hart at Wrestlemania XI.  At no point do I consider putting the belt on Diesel.

 

2)  Goldberg defeats Kevin Nash at Starrcade 1998 and goes on to continue to feud with Bam Bam Bigelow for a while.  He eventually loses the title to the one guy that the fans would accept without rebelling against WCW, Ric Flair.  The fingerpoke of doom doesn't happen.

 

3)  Go back to 2001 and actually let the Alliance win some of its matches.  The angle would have worked if they weren't made to look like jobbers all the time.

[Guest]

1) Owen's Death

 

2) Pillman's Death

 

3) Vince buying WcW!

 

I could name off alot more, but here is 3 to start.

Wow.

 

That is almost exactly my list.

 

Though it pains me to leave Rick Rude's career ending injury and later death, the buying out and dismantling of WCW is probably the worst thing to happen to the business since I became aware of wrestling.

 

I'd also like to change ECW going out of business to ECW not going out of business.

[Guest RickyB]

2) I would start WWF over in 93, ignoring the past and using new champions.

 

So you want the WWF to die BEFORE WCW goes ahead of them in the ratings.  Clever move.

[Guest nl5xsk1]

1) Hogan and his cronies (Savage, Beefcake, Bossman, etc.) never go to WCW.  Also, Hall, Nash, Waltman never go to WCW.

 

2) All of the people who left WCW b/c of the above happenings stay in WCW. (Austin, Foley, Benoit, etc.)

 

3) Paul E. finds an investor to fund ECW and keep all of his talent.  (Raven, Saturn, Dudleys, Tazz, Awesome, Douglas)

 

This way, WCW and ECW would both be competitors with WWF with homegrown talent ... and maybe today we'd have two (or even three) competing national promotions.

 

(I'd obviously like to say Owen's passing, but things like life & death are a bit different than a wrestling angle.  Those are kind of a matter of fate, and out of our hands)

[Guest What?!]

3.  Benoit wins the title from the Rock at Fully Loaded 2000.  He was over.  He was the best.  There is no reason that Benoit doesn't walk out with the belts that night.  No reason at all.

I'm guessing Rock won that match so he'd actually have a long reign as Champ seeing all his other reigns ended up being around a month or less.

 

Anyways...

 

1. Made HHH vs Rock at WM2000 with Rock winning the belt, instead of the 4 way match.

 

2. Focus on HHH's injury and comeback instead of a dog.

 

3. Have Shawn Michaels (or Undertaker) win King Of The Ring 1995.

[Guest Human Fly]

1. Had Owen beat HBK and have a nice run with the belt instead of being depushed and losing to HHH in a Euro title feud.

 

2. Had Foley win WM2000 Main Event and retire the next night setting up a big title tournament WM4 style

 

3. No Hogan run-in at Wrestlemania 9 and give Yokozuna a strong year long championship run

[Guest Austin3164life]

1.) I would have Stunning Steve Austin vs. Ric Flair for the WCW World Belt, a match that I have been craving for so long.

 

2.) In Owen vs. Austin at Summerslam 97, if I were senior booker, I would change the tombstone spot, thus not injuring Austin's neck.

 

3.) I would have Bret vs. Hogan at WM 9, and I would have Bret go over cleanly, signaling the decline of Hulkamania and the rise of a new era.

[Guest RickyB]

1) Hogan and his cronies (Savage, Beefcake, Bossman, etc.) never go to WCW.  Also, Hall, Nash, Waltman never go to WCW.

 

Why don't people understand that Hogan, Savage, Hall, Nash and Waltman are the only reason why WCW did so well between 1996 and 1998.  If they didn't go to WCW then WCW would never have made the amount of money that they made between those years (they were the only years when WCW actually MADE any money since 1990).  If they didn't go to WCW then it would have gone under in 1997 and the WWF would never have needed to start the "Attitude" era and they would have probably gone bankrupt too.  Not only that but Nitro would have never started because Ted Turner basically begged Hogan to join and he agreed to start Nitro because Bischoff got Hulk Hogan to talk Turner into starting it.

 

Anyway, my three are:

 

1) Hulk Hogan would never have gone back to the WWF in 1993 so he would have left the WWF on a high and his start in WCW would have been bigger.

 

2) Sting would have gone over clean at Starrcade 97 so WCW would have probably killed off the WWF in 1998

 

3) Eric Bischoff would have been given all of 1998/1999 to change WCW around so Nash, Sullivan and Russo wouldn't have basically killed WCW off.

[Guest]

Verne Gange should have put the AWA strap on Hogan back in 1983 at Super Sunday, instead of using the swerve. Then Hogan would have likely not gone to the WWF, AWA might not have gone out of business, and things would probably look drastically different today.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

<<<1) Hogan and his cronies (Savage, Beefcake, Bossman, etc.) never go to WCW.  Also, Hall, Nash, Waltman never go to WCW.>>>

 

 

Hall and Nash were in WCW before the WWF.

 

 

<<<2) All of the people who left WCW b/c of the above happenings stay in WCW. (Austin, Foley, Benoit, etc.)>>>

 

 

And what happens to them? Benoit would have been buried in 2000. Foley would have been buried. Austin would have been buried.

 

Them leaving WCW helped the business.

 

 

<<<3) Paul E. finds an investor to fund ECW and keep all of his talent.  (Raven, Saturn, Dudleys, Tazz, Awesome, Douglas)

 

This way, WCW and ECW would both be competitors with WWF with homegrown talent ... and maybe today we'd have two (or even three) competing national promotions.>>>

 

 

 

Umm, to give you a hint, ECW "raided" talent from smaller promotions as freely as the WWF and WCW did to ECW.

 

And Heyman, honestly, is amongst the most overrated bookers in history and as devious a liar as Vince McMahon is---he just lacks the money to be a total con man on as large a level.

                      -=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

<<<2) Sting would have gone over clean at Starrcade 97 so WCW would have probably killed off the WWF in 1998>>>

 

 

Do you realize that a WCW monopoly would have been WORSE than a WWF monopoly?

 

 

<<<3) Eric Bischoff would have been given all of 1998/1999 to change WCW around so Nash, Sullivan and Russo wouldn't have basically killed WCW off. >>>

 

 

Why do you assume Eric could have fixed things? Eric was the one who LED to the problems.

 

I said, way back in 1997, that the moment things go sour a little, EB will be lost. He has no clue what he's doing and the moment some angles bomb, WCW is in a world of trouble.

 

WCW would have been better-helped naming Flair head booker in 1997.

                 -=Mike

[Guest Brian]

1. Keep Owen from doing the stunt.

 

2. Have the crowd cheer the Alliance.

 

3. Keep the Mexican Recession of the mid-90's from happening so we wouldn't have an influx of wrestlers coming over, keeping their local promotions strong.

[Guest nl5xsk1]

To offer a rebuttal to my critics ...

 

1) Yes, I know that Hall and Nash were in WCW before going to the WWF, but I don't see Oz and the Diamond Studd having the backstage pull that the Outsiders did.  Once they left for the WWF, and the Vince-created characters got so big there, they could have stayed there.

 

2) Why would Austin, Foley, and Benoit get buried?  Yes, I know about Austin getting fired b/c of his injury, but before that wasn't Flair pushing him towards being a bigger star, until Hogan came in and took away much of Flair's pull?  (plus, without Hogan's cronies, we wouldn't have seen Duggan win the US title)  Foley was seemingly run out of town b/c Hogan's arrival, and the switch to the Hogan era.  Benoit left b/c of two reasons: being held down and Sullivan being the booker.  Due to the whole Kevin-Nancy situation, he might be the one that you could argue would have left anyways.  But without the bigger egos coming in to bury people, who would bury them?!?

 

And who's to say they'd have gone out of business?  Is it impossible to see a federation with Austin, Flair, Pillman, and then later on, Jericho, Booker, and the cruisers, making at least a dent in the WWF machine?  It might not have taken over the Monday Night Wars for so long (if it took over at all) but the WCW (and before it, the NWA) were content at being a huge #2 long before Bischoff decided to try and beat the WWF.

 

3) Ummm, thanks for the hint, but raiding talent and suffering a mass exodus are two different things.  ECW was basically the big two's cast-offs and some Indy talent in the right place at the right time.  It worked out well for those who got to leave and earn more money elsewhere, which basically was a majority of the ECW wrestlers.

 

And I don't want to be interpreted as one of the sheep, with my face buriend in Paul E.'s lap, I just feel that they had the niche to become a distinct, different #3.

[Guest Brian]

They also "raided" talent from Japan and Mexico, though they were making nearly nothing before they left.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

Okay, I'm going to treat this as "going back in time and changing history", meaning that deaths and otherworldly events are not reversible.

 

1)  The show does NOT go on at Over The Edge.  End of story.

 

2)  Put Sting over Hogan CLEANLY at Starrcade '97 and have Bret immediately come out after the match to challenge/congratulate.  Threaten Hogan with his paycheck if necessary.

 

3)  Make the WWF's buyout of WCW totally private and leave WCW's fans in the dark for two months before re-establishing the federation as its own entity under the WWF flag.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

<<<To offer a rebuttal to my critics ...

 

1) Yes, I know that Hall and Nash were in WCW before going to the WWF, but I don't see Oz and the Diamond Studd having the backstage pull that the Outsiders did.  Once they left for the WWF, and the Vince-created characters got so big there, they could have stayed there. >>>

 

 

But the WWF is so much better off with them having left.

 

And, by most accounts, Hall was about to be fired when he left.

 

 

<<<2) Why would Austin, Foley, and Benoit get buried?  Yes, I know about Austin getting fired b/c of his injury, but before that wasn't Flair pushing him towards being a bigger star, until Hogan came in and took away much of Flair's pull?  (plus, without Hogan's cronies, we wouldn't have seen Duggan win the US title)>>>

 

 

Flair would have lost the book. He always did. The moment he lost it, Austin would have ben buried.

 

Besides, much as I loved "Stunning" Steve, he wouldn't have come close to being as over as he is as Stone Cold.

 

 

<<<Foley was seemingly run out of town b/c Hogan's arrival, and the switch to the Hogan era.>>>

 

 

Flair barely knew who Foley was.

 

 

<<<Benoit left b/c of two reasons: being held down and Sullivan being the booker.  Due to the whole Kevin-Nancy situation, he might be the one that you could argue would have left anyways.  But without the bigger egos coming in to bury people, who would bury them?!?>>>

 

 

They'd have been below Sting and Flair. Luger would have been pushed over them. Bagwell, too. EB had a fixation on signing "big names"---so he would've signed SOMEBODY to further bury those guys.

 

WCW's death was a good thing. It was an ineptly run promotion.

 

 

<<<And who's to say they'd have gone out of business?  Is it impossible to see a federation with Austin, Flair, Pillman, and then later on, Jericho, Booker, and the cruisers, making at least a dent in the WWF machine?>>>

 

 

Yes---because they showed NO signs of EVER competing.

 

 

<<<It might not have taken over the Monday Night Wars for so long (if it took over at all) but the WCW (and before it, the NWA) were content at being a huge #2 long before Bischoff decided to try and beat the WWF.>>>

 

 

They weren't content being #2. They had no other option.

 

 

<<<3) Ummm, thanks for the hint, but raiding talent and suffering a mass exodus are two different things.>>>

 

 

Hardly. ECW picked talent from smaller, less well-financed promotions---and then suffered the same fate.

 

 

<<<ECW was basically the big two's cast-offs and some Indy talent in the right place at the right time.  It worked out well for those who got to leave and earn more money elsewhere, which basically was a majority of the ECW wrestlers.

 

And I don't want to be interpreted as one of the sheep, with my face buriend in Paul E.'s lap, I just feel that they had the niche to become a distinct, different #3. >>>

 

 

But they couldn't make money. Heyman wanted to be national and his promotion never generated the fan base to warrant it.

               -=Mike

[Guest Flyboy]

I'm just doing the last couple years.

 

1.  I would NOT under ANY circumstances push HHH so hard upon his return.  NEVER.  To end WrestleMania with HHH winning that title is what I will refer to from this point on as..."How things got so bad".  Oh...the crowd loves him don't they?  The matches are great aren't they?  Fuck him.

 

2. The RVD depush NEVER happens.  Jericho beats RVD at the Royal Rumble and RVD goes IC title crazy and feuds with Geurrero (see the WWF does some things right...just by accident) Benoit, Hall ( I still say it would work), Austin and Angle...leading up to his WWF title win at WrestleMania 19.  Long term booking with a guy who stays over...= ratings.

 

3.  Benoit wins the title from the Rock at Fully Loaded 2000.  He was over.  He was the best.  There is no reason that Benoit doesn't walk out with the belts that night.  No reason at all.

I think bps stole me list...

 

Anyhow, I would add that Lance Storm would have won the WCW World Title from Booker T... the guy was so over.

[Guest AM The Kid]

1. Owen lives

 

2. Owen gets a good push for the world title after Bret leaves and upsets Micheals for the title.

 

3. Force Mcmahon to NOT screw Bret.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

Hmmm..

 

1.) Ted Dibiase would have won the WWF Title at Wrestlemania IV

 

2.) Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat would have staying in the WWF, and became a main eventer. Possibly overshadowing Hulk Hogan.

 

3.) Ric Flair would have never went to the WWF the first time. He should've stayed true to NWA/WCW like Sting did.

[Guest nl5xsk1]

MikeSC -

 

I feel bad that you disagree so strongly with my points, but the question is what 3 things I'd change ... as in my opinion.

 

I would like to see what WCW would have become with Sting, Flair, Austin, Vader, Regal, Foley, Bagwell, Arn, etc.  Would they ever top the WWF to be the top federation?  No, I truly doubt it.  Would they have offered something more than Sports Entertainment 3 minute matches?  Yes, I'd like to think so.

 

I would like to see where Vince would have gone if all of his stars didn't leave.  Would HHH exist today, or would he be a Ryzin or a Levesque somewhere else?  Would the Rock exist, or would there be a Flex Kavana be in TCW?  Would there be an Attitude era to see the end of?

 

I would like to see what Paul E. could have done with more money.  I really don't care where he stole wrestlers from, or where he stole ideas from.  All I know is that at one point we had more than one major wrestling option, and I miss it.

 

Basically, I'm a kid of the 80's where I had NWA, WCCW, AWA, and other smaller, regional promotions to divert my attention to the Hulkamania crap that the WWF was trying to cram down my throat.  And that's the one thing that I most would want back.

[Guest The Winslow]

Trying for some different ones.

 

 

1. Terry Taylor gets a legitimate, kewl gimmick and not the hammerfuck of death- The Crimson Cock, uh, I mean Red Rooster.  

 

Thus a talented, dynamic wrestler's career is saved. Make him a babyface and he and Hennig feud for eternity creating a plethora of mega matches.

 

2.  Hulk sucks it up and agrees to a program with Mr. Perfect and eventually jobs him the title.  Giving WWF a kickass heel Champion to help babyfaces Bret, Savage and others actually get a taste of the main event.

 

3.  Vince Russo develops a massive, uncontrollable Cameraphobia and stays the hell off WCW TV and instead concentrates on writing good stories as opposed to jerking off on TV.