Anyone else sick of this forced on sap of 9-11?

[Guest Midnight Express83]

Is it me or am I the only person who is sick of this forced on sap of 9-11. I am not knocking what happen. But since this, this "pro USA, pro New York, feel sad and cry about everything remotely attached to it" has gotten too overboard. The superbowl is a good example of it. Its a fucking football game, why the fuck is the Dec of Indepence being read? Or why the hell they had to scroll ALL the names of the people who died. Because I knew they wouldn't finish it they did it anyway and was just messed up. Its sad what happen but why can't this country move on? Do we really need to be reminded of it every day?

 

Another example is the Winter Olympics. Did they really need to bring the WTC flag and show people crying like it happened yesterday? Did they need R. Kelly singing a song in a USA robe trying to drum off it? DId they need Bush out there crying and whining about 9-1?

 

Third and biggest example of this getting extreme, MC FUCKING HAMMER is out again with this pro USA bullshit of a song.

 

I think the best way is to remember it without it being shoved down your throat. It is retarded that they exploit it and think they are doing a good thing.

[Guest Tony149]

I agree. What happened on 9-11 was sick, but all the other stuff sucks. Midnight, you pretty much said it all in your post. I'm tired of seeing this stuff shoved down our throats. And that's coming from a proud American.

[Guest Will Scarlet]

I also agree.  I just groan whenever I hear a reference to 9-11 these days.   As a lover of history, I can understand why it would be bad to just totally forget about it, but it is getting annoying having to hear about it every few seconds.  

 

The other day I was watching, I believe, CNN, and I was wondering if they were somehow contractually obligated to mention 9-11 at least once every five minutes.  They could be talking about a completely non-related story, and then, suddenly they are sure to get a 9-11 reference in, as if to say "We are taking a timeout from this breaking news story to remind you of the events on 9-11.  Thank you."

 

I guess I am lucky though because I am shielded from most of this stuff, being that I do not particularly care much for the Olympics, and basically muted the Super Bowl halftime show because I usually dislike it anyway. I figure the US will start to slowly move on a bit more now.  They had their two big events for the "Pro USA, Pro New York" stuff to be prominently showcased to the world, and hopefully by June or so it will be all out of their systems.   I am sure they will stop trying to ram it down people's throats eventually.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

I read somewhere that the hot rumor lately is that there will be some sort of cyber terrorist attack on the United States on 4-11. (411, Information please, computers store information).  However, I dont see how they can prevent something like that from happening, not that I want to see something like that happen.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

It is in the president's best interest to continue this nonsense because it takes him out of the hotseat. As long as he can ride this wave, he is allowed to get away with a lot in the name of "antiterrorism." How do you wage war against terrorism? The threat will always exist, no matter how much you try to deny it. I don't condone terrorism in any form, but I am ever wary of the idea of straying from the Constitution. The Constitution is the foundation for all of our laws and government, if you start doing things that undermine the Constituition in the name of fighting terrorism, what is the point of having the Constitution. If the people implicated in the WTC bombing were already on government lists and still pulled off the bombing, what steps will be taken in the wake of the bombing to ensure that people cannot do such things again? It seems as though people are willing to give up some of their freedom in order to feel safer. Ultimately, the threat still remains, it happened once and can happen again. Whenever you live in any society, there will be a criminal element. Steps can be taken to minimize the element, but it will never be eradicated because of the nature of people in general. There will always be unhappy people, there will always be conflicts. People will attempt to take the law into their own hands, whether it be many people or few people, it will be attempted. A person who feels wronged will take measures to counteract the perceived affront; the actions may of a smaller scale (exchanging words) or a larger scale (resorting to physicality), but these measures will be taken. Instead of waging a war on these acts of retribution, perhaps measures should be taken to prevent conflicts that lead to the acts of retribution.

[Guest AaronMarco]

I was just thinking about the "Concert for New York City", or whatever, and all the money that's being raised to benefit the rescue workers and people killed in the Trade Center tragedy. How much money is enough? And what should they do with it?

 

I don't mean, "how much is one person's life worth", or whatever. But how many of these fundraisers do they have to keep having before they start cutting some checks to the families of those that were lost. And even then, didn't the they have insurance? I mean, in some jobs, you get like twice the life insurance coverage if you're killed in the "line of duty" or whatever.

 

I only personally know if one person that was lost, so I don't really have much room to comment. I know some of you here are from the local area of the Manhattan. Has any of you heard anything about the families actually receiving any compensation yet?

 

I don't want to go on about it too much, but I sometimes get an uneasy feeling when I see all these funds advertised to "help the families" and stuff. I know most of you know I'm level headed enough to not be "ranting on" about something that I know little about.

 

I can assure you I'm not trying to be a jackass here. But I just want to know if everyone else is comfortable with all the money that's being raised, and if they have any thoughts on where the majority of it should go. Should most of the money go to the families of the victims, or should some of it go to the various organizations that help future victims, like Red Cross, or whatever?

[Guest Tony149]

I can assure you I'm not trying to be a jackass here. But I just want to know if everyone else is comfortable with all the money that's being raised, and if they have any thoughts on where the majority of it should go. Should most of the money go to the families of the victims, or should some of it go to the various organizations that help future victims, like Red Cross, or whatever?

 

I think the money should go to the families of the victims. All the money raising events I hear or see say "all the money will go to the victims families". Since that's what they said, they should just give them the money.

[Guest hardyz1]

I, too, am sick of the sappy bullshit.  Hell, I was quite sick of it a few months ago.

 

Dubya just needs this garbage so he and his consevative goons can push their censorship, anti-freedom agendas on us, and hide their ties to Enron, as if we all didn't already know he was a Big Oil Bitch.  Damn, I hate that guy.

 

Proud libertarian...

[Guest Tony149]

That's why politics suck and lots of people don't vote. All the political parties do is fight each other and blame each other. They should just merged together and call themselves "Jackasses" with their logo being a Jackass.

[Guest AaronMarco]

I think the money should go to the families of the victims. All the money raising events I hear or see say "all the money will go to the victims families". Since that's what they said, they should just give them the money.

While I understand the need to use at least some of the funds raised in the wake of the 9/11 tragedy, to offset the no doubt massive costs incurred by the various agencies devoted to emergency response and care.

 

But I agree that the majority of the funds should most definetly go to the victims' families.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

I'm tired of all the Enron talk. Seeing these holier than though congressmen question these Enron executives when they all took money from them. It doesn't suprise me that the liberal media is trying and hoping to find that Bush did something wrong.

[Guest DrTom]

"Proud libertarian..."

 

So am I, but after reading the tripe you wrote in the previous paragraph, I may have to re-examine my party affiliation.  If you're going to slag anyone in the Bush administration, slag Ashcroft.  He's by far the worst, and I'll gleefully help you sling mud at his pointy little head all day long.

 

To the point of the original question, yes, I've been tired of all the sap and sentimentality for some time.  I thought we should have gone on with our lives as soon as possible, but as long as there is money to be made from past tragedies, people will keep dragging them out and reminding us about them.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

I, too, am sick of the sappy bullshit.  Hell, I was quite sick of it a few months ago.

 

Dubya just needs this garbage so he and his consevative goons can push their censorship, anti-freedom agendas on us, and hide their ties to Enron, as if we all didn't already know he was a Big Oil Bitch.  Damn, I hate that guy.>>

 

Can you point to anything Enron got from Bush?

 

He pulled the U.S out of the Kyoto Accords, a move Enron opposed.

Enron begged Bush to bail them out---he refused.

 

You cannot point to a single benefit Enron got.

 

Also, to clarify, Enron was big with natural gas, not oil.

 

And, when you actually SEE some pro-censorship stuff out of the Bush administration, you might have a legitimate claim.

                       -=Mike

[Guest El Hijo Del Lunatic]

It's not that I'm sick of all the "sappy bullshit", it's just that I feel like I can't get away from it.  It seems like everywhere I look, someone's talking about what a huge tragedy it is and how sad it is that everyone died and how America will get through this somehow and how whoever did this is wrong, wrong, wrong.  I KNOW.  I've known for 5 months now.  I'll know for the rest of my life.  

 

Now back off.

 

The problem isn't that America feels the after-effects of this.  America's got heart, I know that.  I just get very claustrophobic sometimes.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

It's not that I'm sick of all the "sappy bullshit", it's just that I feel like I can't get away from it.  It seems like everywhere I look, someone's talking about what a huge tragedy it is and how sad it is that everyone died and how America will get through this somehow and how whoever did this is wrong, wrong, wrong.  I KNOW.  I've known for 5 months now.  I'll know for the rest of my life.  

 

Now back off.>>

 

You're not alone.

 

I wrote a piece on the now quite-defunct WrestleLine defending the WWF for going through with SD (this is a wrestling board---it's apropos) two days after the attacks.

 

I got about 100 e-mails about it---and only one opposed the move.

 

A lot of people want to move on but don't want to look like unfeeling bastards.

 

<<The problem isn't that America feels the after-effects of this.  America's got heart, I know that.  I just get very claustrophobic sometimes.>>

 

Well, a lot of people enjoy the good feeling of being able to be proud of their country---a country that gets ripped and torn all of the time. They want to love their country and bask in its greatness---but only feel comfortable doing it now.

                   -=Mike

[Guest El Hijo Del Lunatic]

Well, a lot of people enjoy the good feeling of being able to be proud of their country---a country that gets ripped and torn all of the time. They want to love their country and bask in its greatness---but only feel comfortable doing it now.

 

Oh, I know, and I can see why people's mentalities have changed.  I just still can't shake this feeling of sentiment tightening down on me.  It's like ... ok, this is a bad analogy, but it's like I'm at a party and I need to go outside and get some fresh air - but every time I try to, someone pulls me back in to talk to someone, or get them another beer, or point out a hot girl to me, or what-have-you.  There's nothing wrong with the party - I'm more than likely having a great time as well.  I'm social, I'm probably drunk as it is, and I'm always up for staring at a hot girl's ass.  There's nothing wrong with the people, either - it's not like they're aggravating me or anything.  They're all nice, interesting, fun people that I want to hang around with.  But there are a lot of people at the party, and I just need a minute to go outside and catch my breath.  I need to gather myself a bit.  And I can't.  

 

Does that help what I'm saying a little?

[Guest hardyz1]

I agree, Ashcroft is the worst guy in the Republican circle jerk.  No wonder he lost to a dead guy.

 

Looking at those comments I posted earlier I look quite stupid.  My hate for Bush is based in the fact that so many people are sucking him off, despite his not doing much of anything of substance.

 

As per my Enron comments:  Both asshole parties got money from Ken Lay and his pals.  There's likely more to all this than we've been told, so I won't speculate further.

[Guest Vyce]

Sorry, I take the opposite view.  I don't think we've done enough, really, to remember 9-11.

 

Because in this country, we have the shortest memories on the planet.  I love this country dearly, but we have the disturbing habit of not giving a damn about anything but ourselves, and thus as time goes by, we'll start to forget the WTC attack, and we'll get lazy, and then we'll get our ass handed to us again.  You feel that 9-11 is being hammered into you?  Good, it should be.  

 

I apologize in advance for bringing this up, but I'm sure the Jews don't walk around going, "Gee, I wish they'd stop with all the talk of how bad the Holocaust was."  I'm an individual to whom the words "Never forget" hold special meaning.

 

Oh, and on slightly unrelated issues - remember that MANY Democrats got as much money from Enron as the Republicans did.

 

And forgive me, but most libertarians I've met are really just Democrats that are slightly too jaded to be a part of that party anymore.

[Guest AM The Kid]

I also agree.  I just groan whenever I hear a reference to 9-11 these days.   As a lover of history, I can understand why it would be bad to just totally forget about it, but it is getting annoying having to hear about it every few seconds.  

Exactly what I think, I'm so sick of it. Everyday you hear some political guy say "Ever since 9-11 the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Thumbs up, cheap pop has come together through love!" Just shut up already, can't we get on with our lives? Yeah, it was a terrible thing that happened but we don't need to be reminded of it every day.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

I agree, Ashcroft is the worst guy in the Republican circle jerk.  No wonder he lost to a dead guy.

 

 

 

Again, the worst official in Bush's cabinet is Norman Mineta, the Transportation Secretary.

 

Everybody else is in a death struggle for #2.

 

 

 

Looking at those comments I posted earlier I look quite stupid.  My hate for Bush is based in the fact that so many people are sucking him off, despite his not doing much of anything of substance.

 

 

 

Passed a big tax cut. Helped keep American resolve up after the biggest attack upon us in many, many years. Handled a delicate situation with China expertly.

 

Been in office for a shade over a year now---and he's done more than his predecessor did in 8.

 

 

As per my Enron comments:  Both asshole parties got money from Ken Lay and his pals.  There's likely more to all this than we've been told, so I won't speculate further.

 

 

 

Listening to Watkins' testimony, it doesn't sound like Lay was the big problem.

                             -=Mike

[Guest hardyz1]

Passed a big tax cut

 

Oh yeah, with that good ol' "surplus".

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Passed a big tax cut

 

 

Oh yeah, with that good ol' "surplus".

 

 

 

Doesn't matter if we had a "surplus" or not.

 

Tax cuts are ALWAYS the right thing to do.

                       -=Mike

 

...Respect the Laffer curve

[Guest the Goon]

We shouldnt be sick of the "9/11 sap" but you can't blame anyone who is when its turned into a product, just like everything else.

 

anyone who buys a FDNY hat deserves a kick in the face. do NOT ride off their glory. it is not yours to take!

[Guest El Hijo Del Lunatic]

But Vyce, "remembering" and "obsessing" are two different things.  There's a difference between what's happening now and how the world will handle this, between keeping something in the back of your mind and pushing it to the forefront, between "never forget" and "constant reminder".  Pardon me for being a little facetious, but the Jewish people that I know don't bring up the Holocaust in passing, in more social settings, in off-topic discussion.  It's getting to the point now where the World Trade Center tragedy needs to turn from dinner table discussion to underlying, but always present, remembrance.  America hasn't turned the corner, and the media isn't helping it to turn the corner.  I'm ready for it to turn the corner, because I feel like I personally have.  

 

Remembering the events of September 11th and letting it dominate your life are two completely different things.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

I'm sick of the sap too, i mean even the Jerry springer show does it (i hate the show but my foster sister watches it) every episode one of the trailor park trash spouts off some pro bush line and the crowd chants USA with an american flag waving in the backgroungd. SNIFF now that makes you proud of your country!

[Guest Macbeth]

Indeed, the United States of America have the shortest memories on this Godfucking planet.

 

Why don't you mourn as much the thousands of deaths that occurs EVERYDAY on this planet as you mourn that little "attack" on the WTC? Oh yeah, I forgot, those kids in Malaysia who whore themselves to US tourists don't do it in Toledo, Ohio or in Spokane, Washington.

 

That pisses me off more than seeing US flags everywhere, more than the Enron shit that's happening lately.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Indeed, the United States of America have the shortest memories on this Godfucking planet.

 

Why don't you mourn as much the thousands of deaths that occurs EVERYDAY on this planet as you mourn that little "attack" on the WTC? Oh yeah, I forgot, those kids in Malaysia who whore themselves to US tourists don't do it in Toledo, Ohio or in Spokane, Washington.

 

 

 

Yeah, I see such outpourings of support when earthquakes and natural disasters strike us.

 

I see so many countries providing assistance to us in those situations.

 

Happens all of the time.

 

Why do we remember the WTC attacks? Because they were an unprovoked attack upon US.

 

Why is the world should scewed up countries around the world matter to us more than WE matter to ourselves?

 

 

 

That pisses me off more than seeing US flags everywhere, more than the Enron shit that's happening lately.

 

 

 

 

What, that Malaysia allows kids to work?

 

America got attacked and is rallying together.

 

The world has to reminded that there is no greater force than a unified U.S.A

                        -=Mike

 

...Who feels bad for those poor Malaysian kids---but it isn't OUR concern

[Guest Macbeth]

TheMikeSC, you answer is funny on so many levels that I have a hard time believing you wrote that in all seriousness.

 

Everybody knows that the U.S. is the most powerful nation on earth at this time and do NOT need any support from any thrid world countries when ecological tragedies occur.

 

I've never said U.S. citizens should forget what happened on september 11. All that I am saying is that enough is fucking enough. It's been SIX fucking MONTHS since it happened. Get over with it.

 

Oh well... I hope you're born blind or something. Maybe you're just an authistic person, then I should forgive you.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

TheMikeSC, you answer is funny on so many levels that I have a hard time believing you wrote that in all seriousness.

 

Everybody knows that the U.S. is the most powerful nation on earth at this time and do NOT need any support from any thrid world countries when ecological tragedies occur.

 

 

 

You're asking us to mourn the losses all over the world, ignoring that we give aid to disaster victims all of the time--while receiving none ourselves.

 

WE give more than anybody else. If the rest of the world still hates us, screw 'em.

 

 

 

I've never said U.S. citizens should forget what happened on september 11. All that I am saying is that enough is fucking enough. It's been SIX fucking MONTHS since it happened. Get over with it.

 

 

 

It was a bigger attack than Pearl Harbor.

 

No way in the world should we "get over it".

 

We should make those responsible suffer. We should make those who support those people suffer.

 

One does not waken a sleeping giant.

 

 

 

 

Oh well... I hope you're born blind or something. Maybe you're just an authistic person, then I should forgive you.

 

 

No, just somebody who laughs at people like you.

                          -=Mike

 

...Laughing right now, thanks for asking.

[Guest DrTom]

"Why don't you mourn as much the thousands of deaths that occurs EVERYDAY on this planet as you mourn that little "attack" on the WTC?"

 

You seem to be doing a fine job of mourning for us, so I'll just let you be my sobber by proxy, how's that?  The rest of the world's problems are not ours to solve, yet still we spend billions of dollars and thousands of man-hours trying to do precisely that.  The US happens to be the most giving nation in the world.  If you don't want to see it, then none of us can help you.

 

And if you consider two planes full of passengers and fuel crashing into two populated skscrapers a "little attack," I'd hate to see how you define a large one.

 

"Oh yeah, I forgot, those kids in Malaysia who whore themselves to US tourists don't do it in Toledo, Ohio or in Spokane, Washington."

 

You're right, they do it in Malaysia.  It's a sad situation, but it's ultimately not our problem.  The US cannot solve all of the world's problems, nor should we attempt to.

 

"Everybody knows that the U.S. is the most powerful nation on earth at this time..."

 

So that means no one should ever offer to lend us a hand?  Or express sympathy at our tragedies?  You're sounding isolationist and myopic now.  We have allies in the world because we can't do everything ourselves.  I'll make sure to pass along your suggestion to refuse all foreign aid and sympathy the next time I'm in Washington, though.

 

"Maybe you're just an authistic person, then I should forgive you."

 

That's "autistic," slugger, and it's good to know the bounds of your sympathy.