Jason goes to hell

[Guest Black Tiger]

With all the bitching of how Jason X is ignoring Jason Goes To Hell I just sat down and watched JGTH. I found lot of stuff in that movie that ignores past films.

 

1. Diana is Jason's sister. Jason's mom said in the first one that Jason was her only child. How the hell would Jason know she's his sister if his mother didn't.

 

2. There is a Vorhees house. Why was Jason living in the woods in F-13 part 2?

 

3. If nobody lives in the Vorhees house and Jason had no living relatives why didn't the town tear the damn thing down to forget the towns history.

 

4. Part 6 said the town name was "Forest Green" why is it once again called "Crystal Lake"?

 

Okay enough of that. Jason was sent to hell in the end so why is he in another movie? simple, The beleif is that only souls go to heaven and hell so Jason's body must have gone somewhere else, The other films show that certain things can trigger it's ability to come back to life such as electric jolts, and telekinesis. If they conducted experiments on him in the start of Jason X then its safe to say that they triggered his comeback.

[Guest El Satanico]

2. There is a Vorhees house. Why was Jason living in the woods in F-13 part 2?

Well Jason was dead...so i doubt he'd be in a house. Unless his mother went nuts Norman Bates style and kept his corpse in the basement, and i don't think they ever hinted at that in the first movie.

 

Also his Mother was living in the woods during first movie so even if she did keep his corpse it would've been with her.

[Guest]

I though he was still considered a human in parts 2,3, and 4 (The Final Chapter).

 

Anyways, I kind of ignore Jason Goes To Hell when thinking of the series. I though Jason X was picking up after the Final Chapter anyways.

[Guest El Satanico]

I don't think he was considered human in the storyline. The characters could've seen him as a human because they didn't want to believe that a unkillable zombie is roaming the earth. Either that or everyone considered him a human because they couldn't understand what he really was. However i can't see any of the characters still thnking that Jason was a human after part two seeing as how he returned after "being killed". But i'm pretty sure he was always dead in the storyline of the movies.

[Guest]

Well he was more "Human" in 2,3, and 4 then the others (Things actually hurt him)

[Guest Ravenbomb]

I completely ignore JGTH due to the fact that in part 8 he was drowned in an underground tunnel by Toxic Waste in New York, and reverted back to being a kid or something, so how did he get back to the woods in Crystal Lake? And where did he get another mask? His other one was melted off. They should've just left it off at part 4, but Nooooooo. And I guess he could technically be human if you assume he was only presumed dead when he drowned, and only suffered near-fatal wounds in parts 2 and 3

[Guest]

If they conducted experiments on him in the start of Jason X then its safe to say that they triggered his comeback.

From what I have heard and read, Jason was captured and frozen in a laboratory, and is discovered and taken back to the ship. Then he "defrosts" and comes back to life, as does some girl they also find frozen in the lab. I guess it's kind of like Friday the 13th meets Iceman.

[Guest]

I can explain everything:

 

Elias and Pamela meet when Pamela is 15, she gives birth and Elias leaves, which explains the birth of Diana, and Pamela's rants about Jason being her only child.  For being so young, Pamela prematurley gives birth to a retarded and eformed child named Jason. In 1957, when jason is 11, he drowns in Crystal Lake while the Couselors are too busy having sex, a year later the camp is closed due to mysterious murders.  Jason's mother turned to Satanism to help resurect Jason, she thinks she fails, but her son loses part of his soul while the Hell-baby takes over.  In 1979, Crystal Lake re-opens, which infuriates Pamela, causing her to murder everyone, after she is stopped, the Hell-baby reawkens Jason.  Two months later, Jason grows to be be 6'5" 280 pounds, and he kills the last survivor.  5 years later a camp is opened next to Crystal Lake, during this time Jason steals his mother's head and builds a shrine to her.  Jason discovers the new camp and kills a bunch of people, a few days later he shaves his head and beard and takes the hockey mask.  Jason is then killed by, the now Traumatized Tommy Jarvis, but he just sinks into hibernation fter being sliced with the machete.  Roy, a paramedic discovers that his son his dead, has his brain taken over by the Hell-Baby, and becomes the next Jason, he is also killed by Tommy.  Tommy's brain is taken over by the Hell-Baby, and he is tricked into digging up Jason, who is well rested now, and has lost more of his oul to the Hell-baby.  Years go by with many murders, the FBI finally tracks down Jason after investigating the incident in New York, they blow him to pieces, but the Hell-Baby lives, and is eaten by the coroner.  The Hell-baby jumps from body-to-body searching for Diana Kimble, Jason's half-sister.  The Hell-baby steals Diana's body and takes the shape of a reborn Jason, who is later sent back to Hell.  The Hell-baby returns from Hell in as Jason's body, but is frozen by the U.S. Government and left for 500 years.  The Earth becomes so polluted, the population is forced to leave, while Jason is left in his frozen prison. A team of researches take the block of ice back to the the Grendel, where it is defrosted, Jason reawakens, and kills most of them, he is later destroyed in the medical room, whereonly his DNA is left, microscpic robots rebuild jason into Uber-Jason.

 

 

 

I hope that explains everything, except for Freddy vs. Jason

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Jason Goes to Hell is the only Friday the 13th movie I have seen all the way through (that is, until Friday, for Jason X! wh00!), and I was not impressed at all.  I thought the fact that people just ate Jason's heart for no apparent reason and became Jason was silly, and the fact that it's not even Jason's heart but a "hell-baby" as MarioLogan puts it is even more ludicrous.

 

I think part of this is just me though.  In my opinion, the list of "soul-less"/"inhuman but still sorta human" horror villains that are interesting begins and ends with Michael Myers.  I say if you're going to give me an indestructible person who lacks personality who, as a series progresses, kills for less and less apparent of a reason, at least give him a decent appearance, or some lame one-liners, or something that makes him appealing and memorable.

[Guest 5_moves_of_doom]

Um, someone with way too much time on there hands really needs to just explain what happens in each and every F13, and link the plot together. I've seen 7 of the 9 (soon 10) F13's, and am confused by several plot holes. MarioLogan did a good job of summing it up, but can someone just explain it it terms of like, "F13: Blah blah blah. F13 Part 2: Blah Blah Blah F13 Part 3: blah blah blah." Thanks to anyone who actually has enough time and dedication to do that, or maybe there just is no plot, like in most slasher flicks.

[Guest El Satanico]

Jason's look isn't memorable? uuuh oook then.

[Guest]

There are people more dedicated than me when watching Horror films, it's their dream career.

 

http://www.fridaythe13films.com/

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Jason's look isn't memorable? uuuh oook then.

I don't think so, since it's so ripe for parody, and has been so many times that the parody/reference idea of just anyone in a hockey mask being Jason sticks in my mind more than Jason himself.  Since Michael Myers' mask is an inverted Captain Kirk mask (as if Captain Kirk isn't scary enough already!), he looks like a truly pale-faced person that decidedly lacks any real soul... I dunno he just looks a lot creepier.

[Guest El Satanico]

Well the fact that people parody his look means it was a memorable look.

[Guest Black Tiger]

HouseofHorrors.com seem to have a lot of time on their hands. They made a whole timeline of the series.

 

1930:

 

The future Pamela Sue (last name unknown) Voorhees is born. She will marry Elias Voorhees and bear two children.

 

1946:

 

Jason Voorhees is born to Pamela Sue and Elias Voorhees.

 

1957:

 

Jason drowns while swimming at Camp Crystal Lake; the body is never recovered.

 

1957-1965:(exact date is unknown)

 

A girl is born to Pamela and Elias Voorhees; She is named is Diana. (In "Jason Goes to Hell", Diana appears to be in her late 30's/early 40's making her birthday sometime within the stated dates. Pamela says Jason is her "only child" in the first film, but it is possible that Diana was put up for adoption after her birth.)

 

1958:

 

Two Camp Crystal Lake counselors are murdered; the killer is never found. "Camp Blood" becomes the locations nickname sometimes thereafter.

 

1959-1961:

 

Attempts to reopen Camp Crystal Lake are met with fire. The person responsible is never apprehended. (Enos, while giving Annie a ride to "Camp Blood" in the original, mentioned the fires. One may assume than others attempted to reopen the camp have were met with arson as a deterrent. Presumably, Pamela set the blazes, indicating that the perpetrator was never caught.)

 

1962:

 

Another effort to reopen Camp Crystal Lake is aborted due to the water being bad. The jinx legend continues.

 

1979:

 

Steve Christie attempts to reopen Camp Crystal Lake. He and his counselors are slaughtered by Pamela Sue Voorhees; only a girl named Alice survives.("Friday the 13th") (In "The Final Chapter", we see Pamela's gravestone, indicating her birth and death dates and setting up a starting years for the series.)

 

Two months later, Alice disappears. The case is considered a homicide based on the traces of her blood on the walls of her apartment. The body is never recovered.(In Part 2, at the campfire, Paul tells when this event occurred: one can assume the body was never found.)

 

1983:

 

Chris Parker, while at her parents' summer home with her family, is attacked by an unknown assailant. The man is never caught. (In Part 3, Chris tells of jasons attacking her the previous year. Based on her parents' reaction when she was found, it's clear no attempt was made to track down her assailant.)

 

1984:

 

Five years after the Camp Crystal Lake massarce, Paul Holt opns a counselor training camp across from the site. The place is attacked by an unidentified man, with only one survivor. The killer is never apprehended.("Friday the 13th , Part 2")

 

Two days later the killer's body is found at a lake house where he has murdered 12 more people. The body is sent to the morgue and vanishes shortly thereafter.("Friday the 13th, Part 3")

 

The killer's dead body is found at the Jarvis residence after another spree of murders. The perpetrator is identified as the thought-dead Jason Voorhees. Twelve-year old Tommy Jarvis, recognized as Jason's killer, and his sister are the only survivors.("Friday the 13th, The Final Chapter")

 

1989:

 

Crystal Lake resident John Shepherd is killed accidently when his dock collapses while he's standing on it. His 7-year old daughter Tina blames herself and is sent to a mental hospital for treatment, where Dr. Crews takes charge of her cases.(Since the calandar seen in Part VII prologue indicates that it's Friday, October 13th, and the rest of Part VII takes place 10 years later, a perpetual calandar can be used to determine both the date and that of Part VII's main action (comparing it against that of Part VI).

 

1992:

 

Eight years after he killed Jason, a disturbed 20-year old Tommy Jarvis is sent to a mental outpatient center at Pinehurst. The murder of a resident there by another patient sparks the victim's father, Roy Burns, to go on a killing spree, using the Jason legend to cover his tracks. This is believed impossible by the town's mayor, as he's been misinformed about Jason's burial.(The mayor tells Sheriff Tucker that Jason was cremated. Since this totally contradicts Part VI, we can figure he was misinformed.)

 

Roy is killed in self-defense by Tommy who is one of three left alive; later Tommy kills Pam, another of the survivors and is sent to a sanitarium.(Friday the 13th, Part V: A New Beginning)(At the end of Part V, one can may assume Tommy did kill Pam and was locked away for it. His escape at the beginning of Part VI marks his return to sanity.)

 

1992-1997:(exact date unknown)

 

The town council proposes a name change, from Crystal Lake to Forest Green, in an effort to forget the area's bloody history. The motion is passed and made law, although the name of the lake itself remains the same. (Since Crystal Lake is still referred to by that name in Part V and is then called Forest Green in Part VI, we can hypothesize that the moniker was changed between the two films, though the lake itself still bears its original name in Part VII.)

 

1997:

 

At age 25, Tommy Jarvis, along with fellow inmate Allen Hawes, proceeds to a cemetery to burn the body of Jason Voorhees. Tommy is later found at Camp Forest Green after a new series of murders, claiming that Jason returned to life and committed the slayings. He escapes from police custody, never to be seen again. (Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives) (Deputy Cologne mentions that it's a Friday the 13th when the film's homicides occur; since the camp is just opening, it's safe to assume that it is June. Using a perpetual calendar, the most reasonable year containing a Friday, June 13 in which film could take place is found to be this one. Part V's date can also be determined based on this deduction.) (Considering how unlikely it is that the cops would believe Jason came back to life, and the fact that Tommy is never again seen in the series, one might surmise that, after explaining the whole story, Tommy is blamed for the crimes and escapes, going underground and leaving his past with Jason behind forever. Since Jason's body is never recovered from the bottom of the lake, Tommy must not have divulged its location for fear of Jason being disturbed and rising from his watery grave.)

 

1999:

 

At age 17, Tina Shepherd goes back to her old house, along with her mother and Dr. Crews, for therapy. A string of murders takes place nearby, and Tina and a young man named Nick, the only survivors, claim that Jason Voorhees was responsible. A hockey mask is found at the location and put into account. (Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood).

 

At the end of the school year, the graduating class goes on a cruise to New York City. At the dock, a boat belonging to Mr. Miller, with the bodies of his son Jim and his girlfriend Suzy Donaldson, is found. A distress call from the S.S. Lazarus to the Coast Guard is cut off. The next morning, the ship's debris is found floating several miles from New York. Two survivors from the accident are found in the city. They inform the authorities that Jason Voorhees is behind the murders and was involved in the Lazarus' destruction (Friday the 13th Part VIII: Jason Takes Manhattan).

 

The NYPD calls in the FBI, and they begin researching the history of the Crystal Lake murders

 

2000:

 

A sting operation with agent Elizabeth Marcus as a decoy, is successful in killing the person believed to be Jason Voorhees. Famed bounty hunter Creighton Duke makes an on-camera statement that Jason is in fact still alive. Later, a series of murders happen around Crystal Lake and are again credited to Jason, but no body is discovered and there are no eyewitnesses. Duke's body is found in the old Voorhee's house, and he is blamed forthe deaths. (Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday) (One can expect that the FBI didn't just suddenly jump on the Voorhees case after New York, but would determine the actual threat Jason possessed and then act.) (Since Jason was sent to hell, the body would most likely not be found, nor would Steven and Jessica bother to discuss their parts in Jason's 'real' demise to the cps. Who would believe them? Since Duke's corpse was left in the Voorhee's house, it's probably that he would be tied to the murders.)

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Cool. Now do one for the Nightmare on Elm street series.

[Guest Risk]

This is all mind-boggling and rather ludracris.  I think the first Friday The Thirteenth was good, but the sequels really hurt it.  Having an unkillable zombie(with no backstory about how he came back or why he aged)kill everyone is very stupid.  They could have did so much more with the series.

[Guest Risk]

Well, anyone wanna comment on that?

[Guest Black Tiger]

I'll comment, Jason was supposed to be done after Part VI, hence the name "The Final Chapter". But since the series made good money, the decided to release Part V and not even use Jason. At the end of Part V Tommy puts the mask on to, keep the series going with him as the killer, but the fans rejected it and Jason came back.

 

Jason does have a backstory, he drowned in the lake at age 11. His mom lost her mind and hacked people up, he saw her get killed and it sent HIM on a killing spree.

 

Please remember the golden rule of horror movies, when they make good money, plot and logic doesn't apply.

[Guest Risk]

Part two made it seem as if he never died, because the body was never found.  Legend was he was in the woods surviving off vegetation and wild animals, one camper even mentioned if he was alive he would be full-grown.  Maybe part two should have ended the series.  Anyone have the script for part two?

[Guest]

Part two made it seem as if he never died, because the body was never found.  Legend was he was in the woods surviving off vegetation and wild animals, one camper even mentioned if he was alive he would be full-grown.  Maybe part two should have ended the series.  Anyone have the script for part two?

Read my explanation on the Hell-baby.

[Guest Risk]

Part two made it seem as if he never died, because the body was never found.  Legend was he was in the woods surviving off vegetation and wild animals, one camper even mentioned if he was alive he would be full-grown.  Maybe part two should have ended the series.  Anyone have the script for part two?

Read my explanation on the Hell-baby.

I did.  No offence, you're a good poster and all, but it sounded really ludracris and unrealistic EVEN for a monster movie.  Only the first and part two made ANY sense.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

I agree with you Risk, but to call any movie where a hockey-masked serial killer who murders frisky camp counselors because he drowned as a child and can be killed many times but not die because his heart is a demon-baby ludicrous is sorta a moot point.  It was never my favorite series anyway... but to El Satanico, it's TOO memorable, and TOO easy to parody, and so many bad parodies have forever tarnished what little image it has.  Hell, I saw serial killers in hockey masks before I saw hockey players in hockey masks... wait... I've STILL never seen a hockey player in a hockey mask... what positions wear them?

[Guest El Satanico]

Goalies wear masks. But the Jason mask is a old style. Goalies wear a different style mask now. Why am i being dragged into this and did you misinterpret what i said...what's with the "TOO memorable" stuff. Parodies live off stuff that was memorable and why wouldn't they. If nobody remembers something then nobody would get the parody. Jason had a memorable look...it may not be as memorable as someone like Pinhead or Leatherface but memorable none the less.

 

By the way too many people are taking this stuff too serious. Come on people it's an unkillable zombie/spirit/demon whatever that enjoys killing people because he drown while no one was paying attention and they killed his momma. There's a history and a back story that while sometimes making little sense is enough of a story for this series. There is no reason to get all caught up in trying to make sense of every plot hole or absurd sounding explanations such as demon spirits making him kill. What do you expect from a movie like this? Either accept it at face value and just watch or reject it all and refuse to watch it. No need to analyze the hows and whys of Jason Voorhes. This stuff isn't exactly Stanley Kubrick so why all the seriousness concerning a movie series about the hockey masked guy who likes to slice and dice teens. Come on people let's please save serious plot discussions for movies that actually call for it.

 

Well unless someone wants to discuss the powerful messages contained within Killer Klowns from Outer Space. The movie actually stands for the return of God to earth to collect his children. It's saying that God is really an all powerful race of aliens that made earth as an experiment.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

If Goldust can over-analyze The Scorpion King, why can't I overanalyze Friday the 13th?

 

Heh, sorry it looked like I was targetting you El Satanico, I was really just trying to explain myself since you were the one who questioned what I said.  I realize you have a point, but I'm trying to explain my own personal distaste for Jason with no avail.  I'm still gonna lay down the $9 to see him on Friday though, so so much for distaste.  Actually it's really interesting because I remember when MadTV first started they had a sketch called "Apollo the 13th" which was Jason in space, and it's OBVIOUS New Line Cinema ripped off MadTV for Jason X.  Or MadTV went into the future and ripped off Jason X and went back in time...

 

Actually if you looked you could probably find a lot of over-analysis/deep meaning in Killer Klowns from Outer Space.  There's confrontation of childhood fears, the idea that the image of a clown in our culture is modeled from ancient astronauts, and the true purpose of cotton candy explained.

[Guest El Satanico]

Well i wasn't singling out anyone evenflow i've just been noticing more then a few being serious about the plot of the serious. And i don't mean the ones that are just explaining the plot given to us by the movie.

 

Ah hell i didn't have any problem about being mentioned i just threw that out to see what your response would be.

[Guest Black Tiger]

MarioLogan, what's you basis for the hell baby theory. It's not in any of the movies?  

 

I thought when Jason pulled her under it was all a dream in the end of part 1.

[Guest Risk]

I thought when Jason pulled her under it was all a dream in the end of part 1.

It was a dream.  But the money-hungry movie giants had to bring Jason back.  The first Friday was a great movie...the others are crap.

[Guest]

I've seen all the F13 movies (including a post-production version of Jason X last summer) and I honestly only pay attention to Parts 1, 2, 3, 4 & 6.  5, 7, 8 & 9 (Goes to Hell) are all SHITE, IMO.  I think they SHOULD have ended it at 4, though 6 had some great killing action (but that lame soundtrack by Alice Cooper).

 

Gee, I can't wait for Jason XI where Jason finds a super time machine in space and he goes back hundreds of years in time to do battle with H.G. Wells & Jack the Ripper.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"Well unless someone wants to discuss the powerful messages contained within Killer Klowns from Outer Space. The movie actually stands for the return of God to earth to collect his children. It's saying that God is really an all powerful race of aliens that made earth as an experiment."

 

Wow, I thought God was a big clown that turns people into cotton candy things and drinks their blood.

 

***Long whistle*** Killer Klowns from Outer Space. Holy sh*t!