What's with all the killing finishers?

[Guest saturnmark4life]

I think they need to build up feuds more before guys start shrugging off each other's finishers like last nite. Kidman, Angle and Edge just got up at 2. Why use the finisher to do that? those guys all have huge movesets.

[Guest]

Yup. Theres a reason they're called "finishers"...

[Guest Dace59]

Finisher are big signature moves which are far more likely to end a match then any other move a wrestler does, but is NEVER 100% no ones ever gonna kick out free.

They just suck if they're like that.

More finishers, with more than could be kick out of, but can finish a match, the better match you can build. It's very dull if you have one finisher and someone kicks out, doing it again just doesn't work.

[Guest Caliban]

Well, for me it made for great matches, with even the losers getting elevated. Kidman and Edge both went up in my estimation. I don't think Tajiri and Angle's finishers will be harmed.

[Guest Dace59]

It's not as if they no sold them completely, that would be finisher killing.

I don't mind delayed finisher selling either.. go down.. pop back up like a zombie, scramble to the ropes to try to escape and just collapse on the way... I think it looks cool.

[Guest Mystery Eskimo]

Guys have been kicking out of the Angleslam for ages now. I don' think it hurts it, so long as it still gets pins.

[Guest Dace59]

Yep, ever since Jericho in the Angle/Jericho IC fued I think it was.

But it can still get a pin, so it's fine.

[Guest Risk]

It's not as if they no sold them completely, that would be finisher killing.

I don't mind delayed finisher selling either.. go down.. pop back up like a zombie, scramble to the ropes to try to escape and just collapse on the way... I think it looks cool.

You should watch how Warrior no-sold the Pedigree...

[Guest Dace59]

You should watch how Warrior no-sold the Pedigree

I don't mean like that.

That just plain sucks.

I mean, they take the finisher, pop back up, make a mad scramble to the ropes to try to get to safty, but just collapse on the way.

[Guest DrEvil]

It all depends on the situation and how often it is done.

 

Take submissions for example, the Sharpshooter (Hart) vs. The Walls of Jericho.  The sharpshooter was great because 9 times out of 10 it would end a match.  It made for great excitement when it was slapped on, and better drama if someone was able to withstand it and started fighting to the ropes.  Whereas the WoJ is the complete opposite, it gets a win 1 out of 10 times (if that).  It's credibility as a finisher has been shot to hell, it's not even expected to finish a match anymore.

 

A false finish adds drama to the match, but it can't be done too often, otherwise it takes away from the eventual finish.

[Guest alfdogg]

You should watch how Warrior no-sold the Pedigree...

Yeah, that was great.

[Guest]

Triple H had not achieved his current level of INTENSITY and therefore couldn't handle the AWESOME POWER of the Warrior!

[Guest evenflowDDT]

It all depends on the situation and how often it is done.

 

Take submissions for example, the Sharpshooter (Hart) vs. The Walls of Jericho.  The sharpshooter was great because 9 times out of 10 it would end a match.  It made for great excitement when it was slapped on, and better drama if someone was able to withstand it and started fighting to the ropes.  Whereas the WoJ is the complete opposite, it gets a win 1 out of 10 times (if that).  It's credibility as a finisher has been shot to hell, it's not even expected to finish a match anymore.

 

A false finish adds drama to the match, but it can't be done too often, otherwise it takes away from the eventual finish.

I agree... the Walls of Jericho is an example of when a finisher isn't allowed to finish and is "downgraded" so to speak to becoming just another signature move that maybe gets a near-fall.  Staying with Jericho, wasn't the Lionsault originally a finisher? I never saw Jericho in WCW so I don't know for sure...

 

As for Warrior's total no-sell of the Pedigree, I have that on my computer... it's priceless.  Best HHH match ever! OK, maybe not, but probably best Ultimate Warrior match ever!

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

The Lionsault was only a mid-match spot in WCW. He rarely beat someone with it.

 

Also, the Olympic Slam sucks doggy-doo. One of the worst finishers ever.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

The Lionsault was only a mid-match spot in WCW. He rarely beat someone with it.

 

Also, the Olympic Slam sucks doggy-doo. One of the worst finishers ever.

Oh, OK I didn't know, thanks for correcting me.

 

But as for worst finishers ever... People's Elbow? Hogan legdrop?

[Guest AlwaysPissedOff]

I never said it was the worst ever because it has some pretty stiff competition in the forms of the aforementioned legdrop and the Garvin Stomp. I just consider it a VERY weak finisher for a good-to-great wrestler like Angle.

 

Also, I've always considered the People's Elbow as a mid-match spot. That being said though, I absolutely HATE when Rock pins someone with it.

[Guest Risk]

JYD had a bodyslam called "The Thump."  THAT is a bad finisher.

[Guest notJames]

Yeah, but back in the day, getting slammed by a big man and pinned was pretty normal,especially for the less-talented slow-moving slugs from that era. Hell, Hogan's running legdrop and  Duggan's running shoulderblock got pins too.

 

Also, I think JYD's was more of a powerslam than a regular slam, right? Kinda like DBS's running powerslam, except without the... running (duh).

 

[Guest]

I agree... the Walls of Jericho is an example of when a finisher isn't allowed to finish and is "downgraded" so to speak to becoming just another signature move that maybe gets a near-fall.  Staying with Jericho, wasn't the Lionsault originally a finisher? I never saw Jericho in WCW so I don't know for sure...

The Lionsault was a finisher of his in WCW. Or the "Canadian Maple Leaf (Texas Cloverleaf) when he was feuding with Dean Malenko over who knew more holds. That angle was great for Jericho.

 

I also remember him using a double powerbomb when he first arrived in the WWF, before he debuted the Walls of Jericho (the raised boston crab; interestingly enough, a move that Benoit used to use more than him in WCW).

[Guest Dace59]

I also remember him using a double powerbomb when he first arrived in the WWF, before he debuted the Walls of Jericho.

 

When he was wrestling lighter guys he could lift for it, don't think he used it as a finisher.