Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted April 23, 2002 What do you think will happen? Hogan's suppose to be there. I heard a possiblity that Hogan will fight Taker tonight and lose to Taker making it Taker/HHH @ Judgment Day and Jericho/Hogan @ Judgment Day? Thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest spiny norman Report post Posted April 23, 2002 I think they'll either have Austin/Taker tonight or make it a Triple Threat with Hogan or maybe a four-way with HHH at JD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted April 23, 2002 Hulkamania is running wild once again! Last night at Backlash, Hollywood Hulk Hogan did the impossible when he defeated Triple H to become the World Wrestling Federation Undisputed Championship! As the new champion, Hogan will be in St. Louis tonight, and he'll be sure to have plenty to say about becoming a first-time Undisputed Champion! Also last night, the Undertaker became the No. 1 contender in controversial fashion after special referee Ric Flair counted to three when Stone Cold Steve Austin's leg was on the rope. What will Flair do to rectify his mistake? What will the Rattlesnake have in mind for the Nature Boy? Find out on RAW! There will also be more fallout from the Backlash Pay-Per-View, including hearing from the new Intercontinental Champion Eddie Guerrero, who defeated RVD with his version of the frog splash. Three matches have already been made for tonight's broadcast. Bubba Ray and Spike Dudley team up to battle Booker T and Goldust in tag-team action. Matt Hardy will seek revenge for his brother, Jeff, when he goes one-on-one against Brock Lesnar. Finally, Trish Stratus and Jacqueline combine forces to face the Women's Champion, Jazz, and the pure and wholesome Molly. Don't miss RAW, tonight at 9/8 CT, live from the Savvis Center in St. Louis, only on TNN! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cataclysm911 Report post Posted April 23, 2002 I'm glad that Hogan won the title. I hope that he keeps it until Wrestlemania and then jobs cleanly to someone, thus thrusting them into the main event, and then says goodbye to all of the fans and retires. This would be good for a few reasons. A: Hogan could establish someone. B: Hogan could officially retire. C: Lengthy title reigns would be reincorporated. I mean more lengthy than 2-3 months. Now, a lot of people aren't going to agree because of their deep hatred for Hogan, but I personally don't watch the WWF expecting to see 75 minute 5 star matches between wrestlers who have vast movesets and stiff strikes. I watch it for what it is. What it is is the WWF, not Japan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted April 23, 2002 I'd also like to see hogan keep the title to wrestlemania.... so i can watch wrestlng fans the world over turn off their tv's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cataclysm911 Report post Posted April 23, 2002 Who cares? It's not like the Smarks will quit watching because they will never quit watching. It's not like the Marks will quit watching because they like Hogan. I don't see a problem. If the WWF lived through Sid & Diesel as champion, Hogan will be just fine. Don't hate, you know you marked when you were little. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted April 23, 2002 no i didn't. I marked for the hart foundation,the rockers,savage,etc. but NEVER EVER Hogan. The marks are feeling nostalgic, they would turn on hogan after 2 months of him as champ, remember 94-95 he was the most hated babyface around Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alfdogg Report post Posted April 23, 2002 Looking back, part of me would have liked to see HHH retain and lose to Austin or even Taker, that way he could be on RAW rather than Smackdown squashing Angle & Jericho until he regains it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 23, 2002 We just have to get on with Hogan being the champ it aint that bad really. As long as it doesnt end up like his wCw reigns and is more reminiscent of his WWF reigns but with more title defenses against credible opponents. Give the Hulkster the strap until SummerSlam then have him job cleanly to one of the following: Austin (Another icon vs icon clash) Rock (Return of The Rock and he becomes the only guy to cleanly pin Hogan Twice) Angle (Who is the Real American how fitting to lose to an Olympic Champion no disgrace in that) HHH (At a push job to HHH, but the devilish heel HHH not the puked up face that only worked when he was being risque and cocky in DX) In the meantime let him defend on the PPV's and TV against HHH, Taker, Hall, Nash, Austin, Jericho etc.. Surely enough to keep him occupied for 4 months. As long as this reign does not end in a screwjob or a heel turn or some sort of swerve. So Smarks Whatcha Gonna Do when those 24 inch pythons and Hulkamania close the WWF for Good! (Only kidding I hope) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted April 23, 2002 I, too, am anti-Hogan. Never liked him never will. I am one of those fans who will switch their stations as soon as I hear that INTENSE Raw theme coming on. I don't care about nostalgia or red-n-yellow or any other of that fancy camaraderie, all I want to see is a deserving Undisputed Champion, and I can name at least 3 others more deserving than Hogan...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted April 23, 2002 I just wonder what will Eddie Guerrero will do tonight, I expect a tag team main event Hogan and somebody vs #1 contenders, or a 3 way title match with Flair as ref. Paul E will be more perverted than Big Jon from Tough Enough. If Hogan loses the title....then I told you so!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nevermortal Report post Posted April 23, 2002 Yeah, Nash vs. Hogan... Because we all remember how their match at Road Wild was a five star classic. Now they're older, Hogan's knee is shot, Nash's bicep is shot, but hey, at least he's got some cool new conditioner. Natural Botannicals? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 23, 2002 RVD vs Mr. Perfect was added to the preview. I just want D'lo Brown to be on Raw!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Cataclysm911 Report post Posted April 23, 2002 no i didn't. I marked for the hart foundation,the rockers,savage,etc. but NEVER EVER Hogan. The marks are feeling nostalgic, they would turn on hogan after 2 months of him as champ, remember 94-95 he was the most hated babyface around Well, you're full of shit then. Everyone, when they was young, marked for Hogan at least one time. Do you think that any children were cheering for Sgt. Slaughter at Wrestlemania 7? No, not unless they lived in a foreign country anyway. I refuse to believe that anyone on this planet has never ever ever liked Hogan. Hogan made wrestling. Not Vince, Hogan. Hogan cut the promos, Hogan had the fan support, Hogan came back from the injuries. Nostalgia? Bullshit, I have always liked Hogan, and I refuse to turn my back on him because I read some message board where all the posters are delusional and think that the WWF is going to turn into Puro over night. Hogan is the best champion that the WWF has ever made. He took them into mainstream, and they are still there to this day more than twenty years later. Sure, Hogan is old. Sure he doesn't have the biggest or stiffest moveset but the fans love him, he is a good rolemodel and he makes me feel good when watching wrestling. Does Kurt Angle make me feel good to watch wrestling? Nope. Triple H? That's a good laugh. This is the way that I see it. Hogan made the WWF and wrestling. When I was young, he was almost like a superhero. He preached about saying your prayers and eating your vitamins and stood for all that was good. He was someone that a child could look up to. Then, I grew up. I was not in my mid teens. I was a cocky teenager who hated to be told what to do, like most teens. Here comes Hogan. He turns heel, and he doesn't follow anyone's rules. Again, I found entertainment in his work. Did I watch to see him Hulk up and drop the leg? Nope. I watched for Hogan. Did I come onto the smarks board and post 18 pages about how the finger poke of doom was the worst thing in wrestling history? Nope, I laughed. Now Hogan is the WWF Champion one more time. So do people like him? Of course they do, that is the people who aren't in the 2% Smark population. I'm glad that Hogan is the champion again. Who cares what his finish is. Who cares how old he is. Who cares? Just watch the damn show. You can threaten to quit watching all you want, you won't be able too. Shit, if all the smarks in the world quit watching it wouldn't matter. They make up about 2% of the wrestling fanbase, and they never have time to spend any money on the product anyway. I mean, how could they, they have to be on-line 24/7 Bashing HHH, Hogan & Steph and talking about how Jericho, RVD & the cruiserweights are being held down. Hogan is nostalgic to marks? Maybe a little, but they have to have at least a little common sense, they chose Hogan as the babyface in the match against HHH. Thus, pretty much proving that Triple H is a bad babyface. Not only that, but they probably think that Hogan is a better champion. Why wouldn't he be? He was back in the day. I'm going to watch RAW tonight, and inside I will be laughing at all the people who act like Hogan winning the title is the worst thing to ever happen to the WWF. The best part is, they will all be watching. Actually, a lot of them will only half ass be watching because they have to post a sentence on this message board every two seconds. I seen people with over one thousand post in the first three days. That is fucking pathetic. I understand that you want to talk about wrestling with people who share common interest as you, but you don't have to all be bandwagon jumpers who just agree with everything negative that everyone else says. Ya know, come to think of it, the reason I probably like Hogan nowadays so much is because of all the negative critisism that I read about him. It makes me smile to read all the Hogan bashing then seen him win the title. It's almost as if the WWF Writers are saying fuck you to all the smarks. Yesterday, I went to a local BW3's to watch Backlash. I marked out big time when Hogan started Hulking up. The main reason I did it, along with two of my friends, was to add to the environment. We were pretty much the life of the party, and other people started joining in on our cheering. Then me and my fourth friend has an arguement. It got a little heated. Basically, he said that all Hogan fans are sheep. This greatly offended me, as I took it to mean that I was a basic mark. That I only cheered for who was force fed to me, and that I was a bandwagon jumper. That's bullshit. I like Hogan because I like Hogan. While people cringe at his moves like the backrack and eye gouge, I laugh. When people boo the Leg Drop, I cheer. I still watch to have fun and be entertained, unlike so many people who seem to post on this board. It seem as if the majority just watch nowadays so that they can nitpick and breakdown every episode until they all find something that they can bitch about. You know why I voted for Dreamer 4:20 as mod? Because he isn't biased. He watches wrestling for what it is. A show. He expresses his opinions on this board, but they aren't always 100% negative. For example Kurt Angle won clean last night. As clean as a heel can win. Will Anglesault be pleased? Most likely not. He'll say something like it didn't matter because Edge was a midcarder. Or Edge got in too much offense, or Kurt Angle didn't win fast enough. I'm sure that he will find something. If not, he'll just wait until Smackdown and find something there to bitch about. Angle got attacked by a babyface or Angle isn't the champion yet. Now, this may seem like I'm singling him out, which I am, but it will help me in the long run because I know that some people are going to read this and just reply thinking that I'm just a simple Hogan mark. Well, people never reply to Anglesaults post by saying that he is just a stupid mark. Hell, most people even start to agree with him. Like house shows matter. No one even sees them except maybe a crowd of like two thousand. Yes, I cheer for Hogan. I cheer for a lot of people, but that doesn't make me a mark. Sure, I have watched Puro, I have seen hour long matches with psychology and stiff strikes by wrestlers who have vast movesets. I watched it like it was a wrestling match. I liked it, but I didn't watch is thinking to myself that this is what the WWF should be. I don't think that anyone else should either. Hogan worked better over in Japan, but that is a different type of crowd. Why post in the WWF folder if you're just going to bash everything that happens? Why post in the WWF folder if you just want to talk about Puro? Why post in the WWF folder so that you can act like your word is gospel and the WWF would be the biggest entity in the world if they listend to your posts? It's very discouraging. In fact, it probably runs some people away. So, now you're probably thinking "Well, if they leave, they're probably just dumb marks anyway" which is totally false. Maybe they just want to post about their opinions without having 8 posts bashing their thoughts if they don't agree with Scott Keith. Also, why would anyone talk about marks like they are not as good as smarks? Marks are what make the WWF money. "The marks are feeling nostalgic" what the fuck does that mean? I read in about every other post how most marks probably didn't even watch back when Hogan was big. Of course, I did, but that doesn't mean that I have so much experience watching wrestling that I have to bash anyone who isn't Benoit or Angle. I like both Benoit & Angle, and I think that they are tremendous wrestlers. Actually, I would love for Angle to be the man that Hogan passes the torch too, but that doesn't mean that I have to only praise him. I am currently on twenty years old. I have been watching since I was four years old. My father got me addicted to wrestling. I grew up watching Hogan, The Ultimate Warrior, Jimmy Snuka, Jake the Snake Roberts, etc. I always loved the Fabulous Freebirds. I watched wrestling in amazement. I didn't hate anyone of them. I just had people whom I wanted to win in certain match ups. I wanted Hogan to go over at Wrestlemania 6, even though I was a Warrior mark. I wanted both Jake Robers & Snuka to go over the Undertaker. I didn't get any of them wishes, though I excepted them. When the Big Show won the WWF title did I complain? Nope, I felt good for the big guy. I thought that he deserved it. Sure, he was thrust into the main event in WCW and was way too green when he won the title. Sure he debuted in the WWF in the main event against Austin, but I still thought that he deserved it. I watch wrestling to watch wrestling. Yes, I do enjoy reading message boards to talk about it as well. I am currently registered to 4 message boards which I talk about wrestling on. This is one of them. This is the most negative of them all, and is it a coincidence that this is the one that I least frequent? Hell no it isn't. When something happens such as Hogan winning the title, sometimes I put off coming here just so I don't have to see all the critisism. Sure, sometime critisism is good. Sure, it could help the product in the long run, but it doesn't have to happen every ten seconds. Anglesault has made his point. He likes Angle and feels that he deserves to be in the main event. He doesn't have to talk about it every reply. We get the picture. The same can be said for all of the Hogan haters. He is in the WWF, He is the WWF Champion. So, the question holds true. Rather ironic really. Whatcha gonna do? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted April 23, 2002 Well by god that was one hell of a speech. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hogan Made Wrestling Report post Posted April 23, 2002 Amen Cataclysm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jimmy no nose Report post Posted April 23, 2002 That shit was all true no matter what you want to think. Way to tell it like it is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted April 23, 2002 I never rooted for Hogan either. Last night was the first time. I was a jaded kid and only rooted for one person. JYD! then Warrior. But the yellow tights and gay music made me sick...even as a child. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ash Ketchum Report post Posted April 23, 2002 Cataclysm, that was one hell of a speech. Cataclysm for mod. He'd be a GREAT one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Caliban Report post Posted April 23, 2002 All I know is that things are the most INTERESTING that they have been in the WWF in quite some time. Feuds are being given time to develop, there is unpredicitiblity... it's awesome. Exactly what I watch the WWF for - to be entertained. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 23, 2002 I complane a lot around here, but I have to admit, I mark out every time I see Hogan. I do it just because, he's HOGAN! I started watching when hulkamania "Died" at KOTR 93, and never watched WCW, so actually Hogan is kind of "fresh" for me. That's probably why I like him more than most smarks. I don't think Jericho or Lance Storm are great either. Jericho was a huge failure as champ, and no matter what people say, it was partly his fault. Storm has no charisma at all, which means he won't be getting pushed despite his wrestling talent. I complain about Edge, though, because he IS getting pushed, and doesn't deserve it. I was happy Angle won clean last night. Heels should win clean more often. That's why I liked ECW. There were really no "heels" and almost everyone got cheered because the fans respected all the wrestlers. I know about 7 marks. They are all tuning in tonight, after months of no watching. That's because I told them Hogan was champ. I do complain about Triple H holding people down, because, well, he got the belt and got to be in the Mania main event after not being there half the year. The Mania main event is supposed to be the 2 guys that did the most for the company over the last year. It SHOULD have been Rock vs Austin again, which probably would have gotten a big buyrate. Shit...RAW's on. Anyways, Hogan's OK by me, better than Triple H anyways. I am pissed about the WWF taking the IC title off a very over Van Dam and putting it on a VERY non-over Eddy who just got back, but that's for another thread.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted April 23, 2002 Raw is on the air! Brock!!!!!! vs. Matt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FakeRazor Report post Posted April 23, 2002 WOOOOOO!!! GO LESNAR! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Caliban Report post Posted April 23, 2002 I didn't watch WCW either. This Hogan thing is strictly for the WWF fans, while people who watched WCW have had their fill of him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FakeRazor Report post Posted April 23, 2002 Ah, the Hardys getting squashed ALWAYS puts me in a good mood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RicFlairGlory Report post Posted April 23, 2002 I forget who it was, but a ways back, someone mentioned that lesnar should just destroy his opponents, TKO them. I think there are spies amongst us, cause theres no way they came up with that on their own. props to whomever came up with vinces stolen idea Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Will Scarlet Report post Posted April 23, 2002 I love the fact the WWF puts Brock on first. It is not like last week when I kept wondering, "Where's Brock?" So, considering he is main reason for watching for the show, I can just sit back, relax, and do other things during Raw without having to worry I might miss Brock. I love it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted April 23, 2002 BROCK has intensity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted April 23, 2002 Hey, here comes a 20 minute bormo...I mean promo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted April 23, 2002 What a fillabuster by Cataclysm911, a true wrestling fan As a fan I cannot stand seeing Hogan as champ but I understand that he is the cash cow today for several reasons. I worship Hogan in the beginning with all of his classic promos but got bored with Big Boot and Leg Drop, and especially the "Hulking Up". In the match against Slaughter it was USA vs Middle East, so Hogan had to win no matter what, even though Slaughter carried the whole match. In Wrestlemania 8...you know the one with Jake vs Taker, the WWF Title match was in the middle of the show, WTF? Flair vs Savage was a great match that had the crowd on fire, but was not at the end of the show as advertised as part of a Double Main Event, I guess Hogan fears Savage getting more heat than him? After 2 potential curtain jerker matches and the tag team match Hogan had "The career ending match" as hyped against Sid. I dislike Hogan with great fury Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
