Guest Report post Posted April 23, 2002 Oh, I forgot he is fucking the boss's daughter aka the head writer/booker and he is so damn good he can be on both shows even though he isn't champion anymore. I should have known he wouldn't just stay on 1 show. This isn't good for credibility of the split if wrestlers can just show up whenever they want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 23, 2002 Oh, I forgot he is fucking the boss's daughter aka the head writer/booker and he is so damn good he can be on both shows even though he isn't champion anymore. I should have known he wouldn't just stay on 1 show. This isn't good for credibility of the split if wrestlers can just show up whenever they want. Why did they even play his music, and why was security so slow in stopping Hunter or stopping his entrance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 23, 2002 It wouldn have been cool, but then they played his music, which kind of took his invading of a different show out of context. Its those little details that the wwf isn;t doing anymore. They definitly help the overall quality of the show --Rob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted April 23, 2002 I can understand little details slipping here and there, but this was a big deal. Why in the world did they blow their wad of having a Smackdown wrestler appear on Raw on a wrestler who hasn't even been on Smackdown (exclusively) yet. This was just poor judgement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flyboy Report post Posted April 23, 2002 I can understand little details slipping here and there, but this was a big deal. Why in the world did they blow their wad of having a Smackdown wrestler appear on Raw on a wrestler who hasn't even been on Smackdown (exclusively) yet. This was just poor judgement. Yeah... VERY poor judgement. Stay on Smackdown so Jericho can beat you! This is making the split losing all the credibility that its had/has.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 23, 2002 I can understand little details slipping here and there, but this was a big deal. Why in the world did they blow their wad of having a Smackdown wrestler appear on Raw on a wrestler who hasn't even been on Smackdown (exclusively) yet. This was just poor judgement. Having Triple H "crash" RAW wasn't poor judgement. It was how they executed it. Okay, we get it. He's pissed. He wants revenge on Taker for costing him the Undisputed Title. Obviously it was coming. But they shouldn't have played his music, and there should have been officials and security on his ass from the get-go. It would have been even more realistic if they "cut to commercial" as soon as he started down the ramp or something, and then just showed us what happened during the break. Then again, we have to remember - these aren't warring promotions. They're warring co-owners, of the same company. Plus, there's nothing stopping each shows announce team from constantly mentioning the other show when hyping a PPV, so we should have expected something like this to happen what with Smackdown & RAW acknowledging eachothers "existence" so to speak. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Beingz0wningj00 Report post Posted April 23, 2002 I would have liked it if Vince didn't say that HHH was part of SD. Also, we can't forget his total beatdown on the Undertaker, who is the #1 contender. I guess being insane makes it sort of allowed... I dunno, maybe I just like Taker beating down people too much, that seeing him take it often seems unrealistic. Blarg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 23, 2002 I would have liked it if Vince didn't say that HHH was part of SD. Also, we can't forget his total beatdown on the Undertaker, who is the #1 contender. I guess being insane makes it sort of allowed... I dunno, maybe I just like Taker beating down people too much, that seeing him take it often seems unrealistic. Blarg. Yeah, I agree. It kind of makes the number one contender look like a big pussy now if he doesn't show up on Smackdown to extract some sort of revenge. *shrug* It's an interesting idea to have the former champion take the place of the current champion on whatever roster, though. As jaded as I am with the WWF right now, I'm still waiting for Jericho to get traded to RAW. *crosses fingers* I also hope Rhyno ends up on RAW as well. I'd love to see Lesnar & Rhyno tear it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hogan Made Wrestling Report post Posted April 23, 2002 It was probably to start the setup towards some fatal 4-way at Judgement day with some combination of Hogan, HHH, Taker, Jericho, and Austin. I would expect it to be the first 4 with Austin vs. Show or Flair or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest buffybeast Report post Posted April 23, 2002 This is the exactly the reason why the split will not work. How are the fans going to buy that the feds are truly seperate entities when you have HHH "invading" the other fed to extract revenge on another wrestler? I understand the logic, and it does make sense. But what is the purpose of having a split company when the boundaries between them are so porous? One has to ask the question, for storyline purposes, are the feds really split? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RickyB Report post Posted April 23, 2002 Well, the WWF seems to be trying to make Raw look weak. WWF Raw always hype Smackdown but on Smackdown last week the only mencion of Raw was Kidman saying "Man i'm glad i'm on Smackdown and not Raw" then Helms saying "Yeah, me too". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 23, 2002 This is the exactly the reason why the split will not work. How are the fans going to buy that the feds are truly seperate entities when you have HHH "invading" the other fed to extract revenge on another wrestler? I understand the logic, and it does make sense. But what is the purpose of having a split company when the boundaries between them are so porous? One has to ask the question, for storyline purposes, are the feds really split? The fans aren't supposed to buy that the "feds are truly separate entities." There's only one fed. The storyline is "warring co-owners who can't get along." If there were two feds then they would have gone all out and named Flair's "WCW" -- and we all know how doomed-to-fail that one would be... It's like the NHL, there's an Eastern Conf. and a Western Conf. which are separate but they're still part of the same League; and eventually teams from both Conf. will meet. It's like a crossover in a comic. It's not that complex of a concept to grasp. HOWEVER, I'm not saying it's a great thing. It's interesting at the least. I mean, once in a while, sure. But, the whole point of the "brand extension" was to give TV time to lesser used talent and not to over-expose their "top stars" on two shows a week (save the champ) anymore. But it's kind of obvious, that if they're going to be pulling this Four Corners match at Judgement Day, then we have another couple of weeks of this kind of stuff to "look forward to." Hey, well at least we haven't seen Vince on Raw since it's "debut"... that's gotta count for something! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted April 23, 2002 "Well, the WWF seems to be trying to make Raw look weak. WWF Raw always hype Smackdown but on Smackdown last week the only mencion of Raw was Kidman saying "Man i'm glad i'm on Smackdown and not Raw" then Helms saying "Yeah, me too"." I agree. Raw has been made to look weak since the draft. Kane getting hurt doesn't help, but having Bradshaw as one of your top three faces doesn't either. I don't really mind Bradshaw that much, but he sure got his push in a hurry. He's higher then RVD and Bradshaw isn't nearly as over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alfdogg Report post Posted April 23, 2002 It was probably to start the setup towards some fatal 4-way at Judgement day with some combination of Hogan, HHH, Taker, Jericho, and Austin. I would expect it to be the first 4 with Austin vs. Show or Flair or something. Nah, I think I'd rather see Hogan job clean to RVD next week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest oldschoolwrestling Report post Posted April 23, 2002 Then again, we have to remember - these aren't warring promotions. They're warring co-owners, of the same company. One minute they are talking about it being warring co-owners. The next minute its being called brand extension. wtf??? And if they are separated, are they still warring? How is the battle being fought? Are they comparing ratings? They screwed this up already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 23, 2002 One minute they are talking about it being warring co-owners. The next minute its being called brand extension. wtf??? And if they are separated, are they still warring? How is the battle being fought? Are they comparing ratings? They screwed this up already. No, you're missing the point. The basic premise is that Vince & Flair are at war with eachother. They can't get along. That is the *reason* for the "brand extention." The battle is obviously being "fought" by one trying to have the "better show." But all of this is moot, because really, both shows suck. Hell, at least on Heat we get compitent commentators, less backstage walking/talking & pretty decent matches ( EDDY~! vs D'LO~! ). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hogan Made Wrestling Report post Posted April 23, 2002 "Well, the WWF seems to be trying to make Raw look weak. WWF Raw always hype Smackdown but on Smackdown last week the only mencion of Raw was Kidman saying "Man i'm glad i'm on Smackdown and not Raw" then Helms saying "Yeah, me too". " Raw hypes Smackdown because by that point some of the key matches on Smackdown have been booked. While on Smackdown, RAW usually isn't put together by then so they don't really have anything to hype. Not to mention, there always seem to be more "on the fly" main events on RAW like the one last night (even before the Show's substitution it was set up on the fly by Flair). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest netslob Report post Posted April 23, 2002 y'know what i think they shoulda done with the draft: give someone a "Draft Dodger" gimmick. y'know, someone who doesn't approve of the draft and randomly shows up on both shows and attacks guys outta nowhere. maybe Test, so they can play of his already-forgotten "immunity" angle. just a thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 23, 2002 y'know what i think they shoulda done with the draft: give someone a "Draft Dodger" gimmick. y'know, someone who doesn't approve of the draft and randomly shows up on both shows and attacks guys outta nowhere. maybe Test, so they can play of his already-forgotten "immunity" angle. just a thought. That's a cool idea, but I don't think anyone needs to see THAT much of Test. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest oldschoolwrestling Report post Posted April 23, 2002 One minute they are talking about it being warring co-owners. The next minute its being called brand extension. wtf??? And if they are separated, are they still warring? How is the battle being fought? Are they comparing ratings? They screwed this up already. No, you're missing the point. The basic premise is that Vince & Flair are at war with eachother. They can't get along. That is the *reason* for the "brand extention." The battle is obviously being "fought" by one trying to have the "better show." But all of this is moot, because really, both shows suck. Hell, at least on Heat we get compitent commentators, less backstage walking/talking & pretty decent matches ( EDDY~! vs D'LO~! ). I realize the point is that they are warring. Brand extension however is when a company is branching out to make more money, not because of internal chaos. If its a war between owners, that has nothing to do with branching out to make more money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest netslob Report post Posted April 23, 2002 That's a cool idea, but I don't think anyone needs to see THAT much of Test. LOL! good point. i didn't think it through. what about Raven? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 23, 2002 You just can't look into things to deep. Yeah, things don't make sense a lot, but what can you expect really. It's pre-determined, and that was the way they could have HHH show his rage against the Undertaker. Better then a 20 minute promo on Smackdown about it. I don't really think it's a big deal. It doesn't make the split look weak... Triple H drove his car there like any normal person, it wasn't like he was doing it as part of the SD roster, just as a pissed off man at someone who made him lose the title the night before. Like I said before, you can't read into things too much. I thought it was stupid that they played his music, but it's just all a part of the entertainment side of the phrase "sports entertainment." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted April 24, 2002 I doubt he'll be on Raw next week. Remember that the "brand extension" is just a storyline, HHH wasn't actually breaking the law or anything so just relax. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 24, 2002 is it really that shocking that Triple H had his music playing on Raw? I mean, the guy had his music playing at his own wedding! Surely they can play his music when he shows up unannounced on the show he can't be on in the first place! I'm just wondering where the police suddenly sprung from. The station would have to be right across the street for them to get there and stop him in time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austin3164life Report post Posted April 24, 2002 The little things in continuity can be more important than the more obvious things, and that's where the WWF makes their mistakes. Little things like the slow security reaction to Triple H's barging in, and his music playing when he came out. Vince still thinks the fans are really THAT idiotic. Not all of us are, yet most of the marks stay that way. I think for the product to be good the WWF has to get rid of it's terrible overbooking, and let Paul Heyman become senior booker. Yes, Paul E. Dangerously himself. Heyman (I feel) would book good matches. At least for the main event scene, I want him to oversee what happens. Not Stephanie or Triple H or Pat Patterson. The lack of continuity is staggering the WWF in terms of quality, and I think they really need to remedy that quick. That and the fact that they are resembling 99-00 WCW a lot more every day........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dangerous A Report post Posted April 24, 2002 "I doubt he'll be on Raw next week. Remember that the "brand extension" is just a storyline, HHH wasn't actually breaking the law or anything so just relax." God bless you Dreamer420! HHH is continuing a storyline. He was screwed the night before, so now he is coming for retribution whether he is part of the show or not. Plus, they had the arrest, so there was at least consequence for showing up on the wrong show. HHH invading for the first night his SD exculsivity kicks in ignites the feud for the title that much more. Now if he shows anymore on Raw, then this thread should be re-started. Til then, CALM DOWN PEOPLE! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mastermind Report post Posted April 25, 2002 Damn, I missed a few days here. I agree that Triple H showing up on RAW in itself wasn't really a bad idea. The execution was though. The playing of the music and the security stuff was a bit unrealistic. I think however, that this sends a bad message for future storylines. So, now if Hogan loses does he get to show up on both shows the following week to get his heat back. Bottom line Trips was trying to get his heat back from jobbing to Hogan. It just sends a bad message for the other top guys to follow. They are already showing no restraint by having this rumoured fourway title match with 3 guys from smackdown and one from RAW(not including Hogan the champ). WCW style. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Hogan Made Wrestling Report post Posted April 25, 2002 Oh yeah, the WWF should make Paul E. the booker. After all look at those huge TV ratings that ECW dr...err ok maybe not. But wait, there are those awesome PPV buyrat...oh wait those sucked too. Oh, but he made lots of money from EC...oops, he lost a million dollars a year until going bankrupt. Suffice to say he doesn't have the best track record, no matter how much the smarks turn a blind eye to his mistakes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted April 25, 2002 "I doubt he'll be on Raw next week. Remember that the "brand extension" is just a storyline, HHH wasn't actually breaking the law or anything so just relax." God bless you Dreamer420! HHH is continuing a storyline. He was screwed the night before, so now he is coming for retribution whether he is part of the show or not. Plus, they had the arrest, so there was at least consequence for showing up on the wrong show. HHH invading for the first night his SD exculsivity kicks in ignites the feud for the title that much more. Now if he shows anymore on Raw, then this thread should be re-started. Til then, CALM DOWN PEOPLE! Truer words were never spoken. I NEVER get tired of 80% of this board getting into an uproar anytime Hunter does something... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RicFlairGlory Report post Posted April 25, 2002 Oh yeah, the WWF should make Paul E. the booker. After all look at those huge TV ratings that ECW dr...err ok maybe not. But wait, there are those awesome PPV buyrat...oh wait those sucked too. Oh, but he made lots of money from EC...oops, he lost a million dollars a year until going bankrupt. Suffice to say he doesn't have the best track record, no matter how much the smarks turn a blind eye to his mistakes. the wrestling was fine just because he sucks at marketing doesnt mean he cant book good matches Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
