Guest Report post Posted April 24, 2002 Well, I guess I'm going to label myself as a HHHater with my first post, but there's something about Triple H's face run that I noticed which is probably contributing to his not getting over. And that's that he's using the techniques recently used by other faces, not something new. For example, after the split with Steph, he started insulted her and there was a few of the old slut insinuations. Which had already been done by Jericho, and virtually everyone else, so it looked to much like a "me too" move. More recently, they had him sucking up to Hogan, like the Rock did after Wrestlemania. He doesn't really have a distinct face personality on his own. Just a thought from this admittedly clueless new mark. -jester Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dr deaf Report post Posted April 24, 2002 dunno, sounds like you have a bit more clue than the people writing the bullshit that is the WWF now. Good thought though, maybe trips isn't the wrestling mastermind everyone's given him. You know, a true student of the game, blah, blah, blah... Course, does anyone remember when they were calling vince a genius back when he was feuding with WCW and kicking ass? Then he turns in The King trying to get Stacey's legs wrapped around his head. Yeah, super genius there... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest hunger4unger Report post Posted April 25, 2002 HHH will go heel before long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted April 25, 2002 I really don't mind the Current "Pissed Off" HHH thing they are working with right now, until he finally does his 20 minute rant...Just let him him look ripped and pissed and beat up beat people (The fans like that HHH). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 25, 2002 A lot of people think he needs to turn heel soon, and that's my feeling too. I think a good angle where him to go around saying that he let Hogan have the belt to humor him, but Hogan couldn't REALLY beat him. Start off patronizing before moving to all out hatred. I hate this "I respect you, but-" crap they have going. Flair did it for UT, Rock and Hogan had it going... We need faces and heels to really hate each other. Of course, my proposed angle would be an extended HHH/Hogan feud. Not sure we want that... -jester Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mystery Eskimo Report post Posted April 25, 2002 HHH really has no defined personality at all, other than his ~INTENSENESS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RicFlairGlory Report post Posted April 25, 2002 HHH really has no defined personality at all, other than his ~INTENSENESS. man he oozes intensity as a heel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mad Dog Report post Posted April 25, 2002 If he is going to remain face he needs to do some of his DX stuff again. Right now he has zero character other than being pissed at Steph. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mystery Eskimo Report post Posted April 25, 2002 Right now he has zero character other than being pissed at Steph. Who isn't even on TV anymore. Let's hope they don't realise that and bring her back. *Shudders* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mad Dog Report post Posted April 25, 2002 Actually I'm surprised that she's stayed off this long. But the ratings have been strong so they may not feel the need to hopefully quite some time. But I imagine as soon as Trips turns heel we'll be cursed by her pressence yet again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mystery Eskimo Report post Posted April 25, 2002 I just hope we don't have an angle where they get "re-married" in the ring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 25, 2002 i hope steph comes back soon. i know this might be an unpupular idea, but i think she is an important part of the wwf and she is good for business too, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Special K Report post Posted April 25, 2002 HHH is GREAT as a heel. He was also great in his DX face days. His Game character doesn't work as a face, though. Why's he always pissed off? All characters need a 'hook' , something that is unique that grabs the viewers' imaginations. His 'hook' as a heel was he was both incredibly arrogant (not in a funny way, ala Jericho, in a completely asshole way) and bitter, and felt he was underappreciated and he would do WHATEVER was necessary to make people notice him, no matter what depths he sunk to. It wasn't a really fancy character, but he played it wonderfully, and made the Game a unique and fascinating character. Now, as a face, he has nothing that makes him stand out. It started out well with the injury comeback, and love of the business concept, but nothing new has been done with the character. He simply states he is the best, and it's expected that everyone take it as truth. He still has charisma, but his character is dull, and he manages to say very little in his long promos. Something new has to be done with his character. I'm not necessarily saying a simple heel turn is what will do it either, as I though his heel character was losing steam too. When you finally reach the top with that character, some interest is lost as people DO notice him, so the bitterness isn't a factor. Nor should he go the Jericho or old HHH route of making fun of people or telling Stacey 'I know I'm hot, but keep your hands off me.' For the life of me, I don't know what should be done to make him really interesting again. He's got enough charisma that if the writers provide him with something fresh, he'll make it work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MixxMaster Report post Posted April 25, 2002 i hope steph comes back soon. i know this might be an unpupular idea, but i think she is an important part of the wwf and she is good for business too, You have GOT to be kidding.... You didn't say that. Tell me, you just didn't say that. Her ego and self-infatuation is worse than her dad. She was okay to start, but she must always be in the center of the biggest storylines. Bring Shane back, if a Macmahon has to come back. Hell, bring Linda, or even any of the family pets on WWF tv, for that matter, before bringing Stephanie back... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 25, 2002 if you are referrring to steph being involved in the main event at wrestlemania 18 in toronto this year, i regret to inform you that that was a necesary move because jericho was not popular enough to headline thebiggest show of the year. he needed her there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted April 25, 2002 You may be new, but you seem to have vaild opinions so you will be accepted here. I agree with your post. It was the same thing that killed Angle's face run too. They just turned him into another Stone Cold, instead of just letting him be his own character. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted April 25, 2002 It seems like the WWF is trying to stay away from turning Triple H into a heel, and in doing so they have taken away all of his character traits that he had when he was a heel. The thing I don't get is why do they take away what got the guy over, then wonder why he falls flat as a face? The same thing happened with Angle when he started getting over as a face. The fans started cheering him when he was a heel, so the WWF goes and pushes him as a face while stripping him of what gave the fans cause to cheer him in the first place. If they plan on turning Booker T face, I hope they don't do the same thing to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest notJames Report post Posted April 25, 2002 Re: LL Orti: Jericho not popular enough? To whom? If you mean to the average fan, how is Steph any more popular than Y2J? If you mean to the WWF faithful, he could have been had he been built up better as the champ. I mean, barely going over midcarders by cheating is not the way to book a dominant champ. Even the weaseliest cowardly champs don't need a belt shot or Golotta to win every time they wrestle. And if nothing else, WM was in Toronto, Ontario....CANADA! Sure he probably would have been cheered, but hell, a reaction is still a reaction. As for HHH's botched face turn, I don't think there's any way to salvage it. Of course, doing so will overshadow and undermine Angle and Jericho as the dominant heels on SD. Perhaps, if they bump him to RAW, turn UT face (since he refuses to act the heel), and have them feud, it could save RAW's dwindling uppercard, especially if the nWold keeps getting TV time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted April 25, 2002 Jericho not popular enough? To whom? He doesn't draw the kind of heat from the average Joe you want your undisputed champion to get. Popular for a heel means that people should be boing the hell out of him at a drop of a hat without him having to even open his mouth or do something dastardly. If you mean to the average fan, how is Steph any more popular than Y2J? I would say that Steph drew more anger from people than Jericho has been able to since turning heel. People boo Jericho because they are supposed to, they boo Steph because they want to see her maimed. If you mean to the WWF faithful, he could have been had he been built up better as the champ. I mean, barely going over midcarders by cheating is not the way to book a dominant champ. Even the weaseliest cowardly champs don't need a belt shot or Golotta to win every time they wrestle. Jericho wasn't built up to be a dominant champion true. But built the way he is and his offense, I don't think you could build him up as a monster heel that destroys everything in his wake. And to be honest, Jericho didn't add a single interesting element to his character to draw heat. He was just arrogant champion #2328. Whoopie! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted April 25, 2002 Jericho lost his heat after Steph joined up with him. He was incredibly over during the RVD & Rock feuds in January. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RicFlairGlory Report post Posted April 25, 2002 Jericho lost his heat after Steph joined up with him. He was incredibly over during the RVD & Rock feuds in January. tru dat, yo I think what we have here is that x killer fella coming back to haunt us. He was the one with the i'd get raped to fuck stephanie angle, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest notJames Report post Posted April 25, 2002 Jericho lost his heat after Steph joined up with him. He was incredibly over during the RVD & Rock feuds in January. Yes. And I recall, Jericho was getting monster heat for both, not to mention his win over Austin at Vengeance. Coincidentally, that was when they started booking him to win (by cheating) against the midcard brigade. Not exactly how one would maintain killer heat, eh? Also coincidentally, it was around the time that HHH came back from the dead. But since I'm not among the many HHH conspiracy buffs, I'll end it there... As for Jericho being a dominant heel, no, he didn't need to be built up as an unstoppable monster, but even Flair got clean victories more times than not against the midcarders. He also attacked World Title contenders at every opportunity and made sure his feuds were focused, kept their heat, and were the marquee events. Jericho was booked to fail from the start. I posit that Jericho could definitely have been built up to WM-level heel status had the booking gone better. His tirade against HHH about not being a transitional champ was one of his best promos, and had they built on that instead of the Billion Dollar Trampoline, Lucy the dog, Mr. Ed, etc., I probably would have stayed interested in the feud. I hope Steph never comes back on TV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RicFlairGlory Report post Posted April 25, 2002 Jericho lost his heat after Steph joined up with him. He was incredibly over during the RVD & Rock feuds in January. Yes. And I recall, Jericho was getting monster heat for both, not to mention his win over Austin at Vengeance. Coincidentally, that was when they started booking him to win (by cheating) against the midcard brigade. Not exactly how one would maintain killer heat, eh? Also coincidentally, it was around the time that HHH came back from the dead. But since I'm not among the many HHH conspiracy buffs, I'll end it there... As for Jericho being a dominant heel, no, he didn't need to be built up as an unstoppable monster, but even Flair got clean victories more times than not against the midcarders. He also attacked World Title contenders at every opportunity and made sure his feuds were focused, kept their heat, and were the marquee events. Jericho was booked to fail from the start. I posit that Jericho could definitely have been built up to WM-level heel status had the booking gone better. His tirade against HHH about not being a transitional champ was one of his best promos, and had they built on that instead of the Billion Dollar Trampoline, Lucy the dog, Mr. Ed, etc., I probably would have stayed interested in the feud. I hope Steph never comes back on TV. They need DiBiase back! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 25, 2002 Quote (LL 0rti @ April 25 2002,05:38) i hope steph comes back soon. i know this might be an unpupular idea, but i think she is an important part of the wwf and she is good for business too, You have GOT to be kidding.... You didn't say that. Tell me, you just didn't say that. The crowds obviously boo Steph, but I'm not sure they *like* booing her in the same way they like booing a good heel, or chanting "you suck" to Angle's entrance music. Maybe used in moderation she could be entertaining, but I think we've seen quite enough of her for a long while. If ol' Hunter goes heel (and yeah, it does look like the WWF is resisting the idea) I think he should go as a heel by himself. At least for awhile. -jester Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ravenbomb Report post Posted April 26, 2002 Maybe they should do a gimmick for HHH where the fans like him and he doesn't like that the fans like him so he tries to get the fans to hate him, but what he does doesn't work... ...or... ...ok, sorry for my crappy idea taking up room, I'll go back to my corner Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 26, 2002 Maybe they should do a gimmick for HHH where the fans like him and he doesn't like that the fans like him so he tries to get the fans to hate him, but what he does doesn't work... ...or... ...ok, sorry for my crappy idea taking up room, I'll go back to my corner Doesn't he have to get the fans to like him first? How will he accomplish that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
