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Choken One..........banned?

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You know what *I* think is getting out of line? 

 

The fact that people are STILL asking for an explanation, even though one has been provided over and over again.

No explanation has been posted so far besides "He's stupid.".

 

If you call that an explanation, then.. I guess they provided one.

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I'll even find them for you, to bring you up to speed:

 

Choken didn't troll anyone. He didn't spam the board. And he didn't call anyone some nasty racial slur.

 

Personally, I thought Choken One was an okay guy sometimes. I have never despised the guy or felt he was some sort of asshole.

 

But simply put, he got banned for being a really, really, really crappy poster with nothing redeemable about him that I could use as an argument to justify his continued existence on the board. Either the staff looks like chumps for letting Choken stick around and post his drivel or else we look like power abusing ogres for banning him for his shitty posts. I've been around him posting since our days at the old Smarks EZ Board and I can say that he hasn't changed since those days. He never made any progress or improvement in curbing his post whoring and adding nothing of substance to the board even after he had been warned several times over the past couple years.

 

I'll probably get some eyes raised in my direction for banning Choke but that's something I knew would happen and was prepared for it when I hit the "ban" button. This stuff makes some folks feel tense or unsure that they "might be next" and that's normal to feel. But Choke was warned so he did have a head's up to improve but never complied.

 

He was just totally worthless as a poster with nothing redeemable about him to justify his existence on the board.

 

I apologize for making anyone here feel "am I next?" but I can assure everyone here that I've got no one else in mind to ban at this moment. I hope that gives you all some sort of reassurrance. If not, then all I've got to offer is an open invite to talk to me on PM or AIM if you're not feeling this banning. I'll be more than happy to talk to folks privately about this if you want.

 

Thanks for your time everyone.

 

That was Sass.

 

And here's Tom's, which was more of a general explanation than anything else.

 

But that thankless job pays a good salary, gives you bodyguards for life, and an absurd number of other perqs. Oh, and you get to nuke other countries.

 

Here's my take on the whole "OMG TEH MODZ ARE R00D TO TEH POSTERZ~!!!11!!1!" thing:

 

Perhaps instead of immediately demanding an explanation the second something happens, people could be patient and wait for one. No one is dead-set against explaining their actions. Similarly, no one likes being blindsided by a dozen people before they've ever had a chance to say anything.

 

The fact is that nothing needs to be explained. This board is not a democracy. It is run by a staff operating within a set of guidelines, with full discretion to act on those who step outside of those guidelines. That said, I think the staff is willing to be courteous and explain things, provided they're given a chance to, and not simply greeted by a dozen people calling for their head in the same thread.

 

If you want courtesy, you should offer it in return. If not, go pound sand.

 

EDIT: Things bolded for importance.

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Furthermore, from Grandmastah Dames's rules:

 

6. Don't disobey the mods. This does not mean you cannot disagree with them and voice your opinion, but you must still adhere to the decisions they make.

7. Mods have full discresion to warn or ban posters they feel are out of line and acting like twits.

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I'll even find them for you, to bring you up to speed:

 

Choken didn't troll anyone. He didn't spam the board. And he didn't call anyone some nasty racial slur.

 

Personally, I thought Choken One was an okay guy sometimes. I have never despised the guy or felt he was some sort of asshole.

 

But simply put, he got banned for being a really, really, really crappy poster with nothing redeemable about him that I could use as an argument to justify his continued existence on the board. Either the staff looks like chumps for letting Choken stick around and post his drivel or else we look like power abusing ogres for banning him for his shitty posts. I've been around him posting since our days at the old Smarks EZ Board and I can say that he hasn't changed since those days. He never made any progress or improvement in curbing his post whoring and adding nothing of substance to the board even after he had been warned several times over the past couple years.

 

I'll probably get some eyes raised in my direction for banning Choke but that's something I knew would happen and was prepared for it when I hit the "ban" button. This stuff makes some folks feel tense or unsure that they "might be next" and that's normal to feel. But Choke was warned so he did have a head's up to improve but never complied.

 

He was just totally worthless as a poster with nothing redeemable about him to justify his existence on the board.

 

I apologize for making anyone here feel "am I next?" but I can assure everyone here that I've got no one else in mind to ban at this moment. I hope that gives you all some sort of reassurrance. If not, then all I've got to offer is an open invite to talk to me on PM or AIM if you're not feeling this banning. I'll be more than happy to talk to folks privately about this if you want.

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It's just a message board, going beyond keeping things functional to some

 

stop whining then.

 

NikJohns is obviously the person you're refering too. Nik's been constantly shat on by posters here since he was made a mod. And why you ask?

 

For doing his job and not playing favorites. he doesn't let the more popular WWEorum posters get away with crap. He applies the rules to everyone. From 50post poster to 10,000 post poster.

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We need some J. Geils Band to lighten the mood a little.

 

Props to Sass for handling all of this quite professionally, by the way.

 

I think the solution is to just ease up on subjective bannings like this for a while. iB, BBCW, Choken...sure they suck on a general basis, but I think it's better to be able to be directed to a clear-cut bannable offense we can all mostly agree on, and move along in our TSM viewing. Just my two cents.

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Triple H was in NO way protected tonight.

He tapped.

He needed a retard to help him win for his master plan.

His retard couldn't even get the job done.

Benoit gets HHH to tap yet again...

Benoit outsmarts Eugene (well, yeah)

Benoit beats off 5 People at once to win the match.

Yeah, HHH is so fucking protected.

Triple H has made himself be a completely vulernable worker these days as he has STILL be unable to live up to his promise of beating Benoit for the title and couldn't get his master plan to work, having it backfire on him. Yeah the only thing "devious" he has done is take up more airtime...thats not really a bad thing.

 

This is the kind of post that gets you banned around here. On-topic relevant post be damned. No sucky sucky for Benoit, no posting privileges for you.

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I don't agree with Choken One's banning. I didn't think he was too bad, mildly irritating at most. However, the rules state that banning is up to the mod's discretion. I disagree with their reasons for banning him as I believe this place is not made any better with him gone (nor is it any worse for that matter).

 

But what's done is done. I've moved on from it. The fact that twelve hours later some of you are still kicking up a stink about this is quite pathetic. He even had said he didn't enjoy this place all that much lately. He's been here a while, now he's gone.

 

That's the way internet forums are. Move on, it's not like they took him round the back and shot him (note: if this is the case and he has been shot I hereby take back all of the above message and scold the moderators here provocatively/seductively).

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Let's not make Choken a martyr in the whole "Benoit is God" thing. He still sucked. That's incontrovertible. The question is whether or not simply inadequate content is grounds for expulsion from the community. If this was a job, he'd be fired. If he were in college, he'd be dismissed. But it's just the Internet, and the punishment needn't be so severe. I was more than willing to just tolerate Choken One posts like I tolerate the porn ads that pop up on the computer. But I'm not going to beg for his return.

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Anyone notice iggymcfly didn't show up until after slacket was banned?

 

EDIT: In this thread I mean.

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The fact that twelve hours later some of you are still kicking up a stink about it is quite pathetic.

 

Well, I like the forums and all, but I do have a life, so I don't check them every three hours. I just noticed this thread about an hour ago, and so i responded to it.

 

If he were in college, he'd be dismissed.

 

Have you been to college lately? It's really not all that hard. As for his content, I really don't usually pay that much attention to who post what. The only thing I really remembered him doing lately was defending HHH in the Vengeance match, in what seemed to me to be a perfectly reasonable and intelligent manner. I'm sure he annoyed people in different ways, but I'd be really surprised if bucking the Benoit trend wasn't a major component of his banning.

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Furthermore, from Grandmastah Dames's rules:

 

6. Don't disobey the mods. This does not mean you cannot disagree with them and voice your opinion, but you must still adhere to the decisions they make.

7. Mods have full discresion to warn or ban posters they feel are out of line and acting like twits.

Who said he didn't have the right to ban him? We just want to know why he decided to pick Choken One.

 

He also said he was worthless, okay. What posts of his made him worthless? He added discussion to most threads in the WWE folder. (for example, the post quoted in this thread) What was worthless about them? Just calling him worthless doesn't tell us anything.

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but I'd be really surprised if bucking the Benoit trend wasn't a major component of his banning.

 

be surprised then. Choken's banning has been coming since the freaking Ezboard.

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He never made any progress or improvement in curbing his post whoring and adding nothing of substance to the board even after he had been warned several times over the past couple years.

 

So can we get report cards to see if we're "improving" on our posts?...

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Triple H was in NO way protected tonight.

He tapped.

He needed a retard to help him win for his master plan.

His retard couldn't even get the job done.

Benoit gets HHH to tap yet again...

Benoit outsmarts Eugene (well, yeah)

Benoit beats off 5 People at once to win the match.

Yeah, HHH is so fucking protected.

Triple H has made himself be a completely vulernable worker these days as he has STILL be unable to live up to his promise of beating Benoit for the title and couldn't get his master plan to work, having it backfire on him. Yeah the only thing "devious" he has done is take up more airtime...thats not really a bad thing.

 

This is the kind of post that gets you banned around here. On-topic relevant post be damned. No sucky sucky for Benoit, no posting privileges for you.

Actually, my sources believe that there was a second shooter, who was hired by the FBI.

 

And, on a side note, the current score is:

 

"Discresion" = 4

Choken = 0

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Guest Loss

The mods aren't required to explain everything. I think all anyone can reasonably ask is that they be fair.

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My personal opinion: banning someone - for offenses like stupidity and trolling - without warning is wrong. Banning someone after giving them fair warning that their posts are being scrutinized for content is not wrong.

 

Since CO was told that he needed to get his shit together, and still did not, then I have no problem with his banning. It doesn't seem like a power-hungry mod, it seems like a mod trying to make the board a 'better place'.

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The mods aren't required to explain everything. I think all anyone can reasonably ask is that they be fair.

And you know as well as I do that the mod staff is exactly that. I'm mean to everybody, and I bitch to the other mods in the top secret staff folder when I don't think someone else is being fair.

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Guest Loss

Oh yeah, you're the fairest of them all, no doubt.

 

And I don't mean that in a mirror-mirror-on-the-wall kinda way either.

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That's the kind of attitude that brought down the Smarkboard. Saying crap like that about how you can do anything you want and don't have to give an explanation, for you are a Mod, I say, a golden Mod, is really out of line, in my opinion. You know what we're entitled to? We're entitled to a leadership core that runs a tight ship, that keeps things the board from being a mess, without getting too self-important or too tied up in "protocol" to stay focused on operating efficiently and unobtrusively. That's what we're entitled to.

 

Maybe I've not made myself clear enough.

 

We don't HAVE to justify anything. There's no two ways about it. If I edit a post tomorrow, and get asked "why?", I don't have to answer. Period. However, it's common courtesy to inform you guys of changes that affect the entire board, particularly when a prolific poster is banned, or whatever. We don't mind doing so, but it becomes extremely frustrating when nothing is ever right, and whatever justification is given is nitpicked over. As I already stated, these decisions aren't taken lightly, we do talk amongst ourselves to determine these outcomes, and if we genuinely wanted the opinion of every poster regarding each banning, then these conversations would be public. Personally, I don't mind, it's not bad to get perspective from the boards, as they are the people that will be affected... but it's the way that some people are conducting themselves that makes it suck.

 

I honestly don't want this to be some kind of "war" or whatever, and again, I intend no malice - every decision I make is for the good of the board.

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I think Nik has been an excellent mod, personally, and will pretty much always defend him. I say that now as a poster just like I did as a mod before.

 

And he's right. There are a few mods who I think sometimes jump into things without thinking about them, but I don't put Nik on that list at all. Just so you guys know, we sometimes disagreed and we sometimes agreed. But it was all talked about and each of us heard the other out. I can honestly say Nik always does his best to think before acting, and he usually gets feedback from other mods before making any decisions.

 

He gets a bad rap, but if he was loved by all, he wouldn't really be doing his job very well.

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