Jason Giambi's health worse than first thought?

[Bored 0]

Considering the crackdown on steroids and specifically the BALCO labs didn't happen till the fall of 2003 I don't see how Giambi's drop in production the previous two season would have anything to do with him using or not using steroids. And this is coming from someone who does believe Giambi along with Bonds and Sheffield were supplied steroids by BALCO.

 

Actually I heard the real cover up is he has 23 dead hookers in his basement.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

I orginally thought it was just an excuse, but it really appears to have gone beyond that now. If there is a real parasite going around then Kevin Brown getting it would make sense since he's as brittle as Mr. Burns.

[Guest Bad Brad Jacobs]

I dont know. It just seems like it doesn't all add up. Sure, he probably has some parasite..but how do you explain the declines in the previous years?

[Guest Anglesault]

I dont know. It just seems like it doesn't all add up. Sure, he probably has some parasite..but how do you explain the declines in the previous years?

2002 isn't some hideous drop. 2003 he had eye and knee problems.

[Precious Roy 0]

Let's be real here, last year was the first season where he showed a significant decline. In 2002 he still hit .300 w/ 40 hrs, the slight drop in overall performance can be attributed to the change in ballpark/team/city.

 

2003 is where the decline really starts, dropping down to .250. Sure, he still got a lot of walks and hit 40 homers, but I watched the guy, he wasn't the same guy who had hit .340, it was basically all or nothing with him last year. That was chalked up to his balky knee and a problem with his eyesight.

 

This year the knee is healthy and the eyesight problem was fixed, but now he's dropped all that steroid weight and he's got the parasite issue.

 

Basically I chalk the root of his problems up to steroids, but I think much of it is mental at this point as well, and who the hell knows with the damn parasites, but if he can't recover from them there's obviously something wrong with his body.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

I dont know. It just seems like it doesn't all add up. Sure, he probably has some parasite..but how do you explain the declines in the previous years?

Here's an odd stat I pulled up......

 

Year Age

2000 29

2001 30

2002 31

2003 32

2004 33

 

Interesting how his age increases every year. And again, if you go to Jason Giambi's player page at baseball-reference.com, scroll down and look at his Similar Batters Through Age 32. Hal Trosky, Mo Vaughn, Ted Kluszewski, and Wally Berger all had similar stats at Giambi's age, and all were essentially finished by their early to mid-30s. Giambi's decline, sudden as it is, is not an unprecidented phenominon.

[Guest Staravenger]

This thread just added about 3 people to my "Complete idiots" list. Next everyone will say that Barry Bonds can naturally hit 70+ home runs a year and hasn't used steroids once in his life.

 

Last year: Giambi was injured. Injured players don't normally bat .356 and hit 9000 home runs. I can't believe people don't understand that. It's like asking a basketball player with a broken ankle to try and score 35 pts. a game and playing for 40 minutes.

[Art Sandusky 0]

28-32 is Prime. Afterwards, you decline. Do you accept this?

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Prime ends at 30, actually.

[Guest Bad Brad Jacobs]

Then I guess you would say that reason many current 35+ players are doing very well is because they are in great shape. You would probably be right. For every Mo Vaughn (a guy who was never in great physical condition) there is a Steve Finley or a Tony Womack or a Vinny Castilla who played at least consistantly decent baseball well past the age of 32 or 33.

 

When everyone can generally agree that players are in better shape now than they ever have been, it's hard to explain why somebody like Giambi is declining so fast as a player when everyone else his age is either slowly going downhill or even improving.

[Guest Anglesault]

Then I guess you would say that reason many current 35+ players are doing very well is because they are in great shape. You would probably be right. For every Mo Vaughn (a guy who was never in great physical condition) there is a Steve Finley or a Tony Womack or a Vinny Castilla who played at least consistantly decent baseball well past the age of 32 or 33.

 

When everyone can generally agree that players are in better shape now than they ever have been, it's hard to explain why somebody like Giambi is declining so fast as a player when everyone else his age is either slowly going downhill or even improving.

Okay, this is all steroid withdrawal and the parasite is fake.

 

Explain Kevin Brown.

[Guest Bad Brad Jacobs]

Kevin Brown was on steroids too.

[Guest Anglesault]

Kevin Brown was on steroids too.

But of course.

[Guest Nelly's Bandaid]

OR, he's faking too, only to cover up that his back went out.

 

Steroids make more sense, but still.

[Guest Anglesault]

OR, he's faking too, only to cover up that his back went out.

That would be kind of a crappy cover up, considering that we heard his back went out about a week before the parasite showed up.

[Guest Nelly's Bandaid]

Exactly! It must be true....

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

Then I guess you would say that reason many current 35+ players are doing very well is because they are in great shape. You would probably be right. For every Mo Vaughn (a guy who was never in great physical condition) there is a Steve Finley or a Tony Womack or a Vinny Castilla who played at least consistantly decent baseball well past the age of 32 or 33.

 

When everyone can generally agree that players are in better shape now than they ever have been, it's hard to explain why somebody like Giambi is declining so fast as a player when everyone else his age is either slowly going downhill or even improving.

The vast majority of players are out of baseball by their mid to late 30s. You usually only see good players in their 30s because they wouldn't be around otherwise. Even Castilla, Finley, and Womack are not BETTER than they were in their 20s.

[JasonX 0]

Last year the excuse was that he had trouble adjusting to NY. This year its parasites. What's it gonna be next year?

I miss my brother and will only play better if Jeremy is a Yankee too so I can be with him all of the time while playing....

[JasonX 0]

Tying Brown into the possible parasite scam: Brown does indeed have a parasite and that someone (say Giambi or his doctors) came across the notion that they can play the "parasite" card too and claim that Giambi has the same health problem as Brown.

[Guest Anglesault]

Tying Brown into the possible parasite scam: Brown does indeed have a parasite and that someone (say Giambi or his doctors) came across the notion that they can play the "parasite" card too and claim that Giambi has the same health problem as Brown.

They found Brown's parasite a full week after Giambi's.

[Guest Bad Brad Jacobs]

You've got a point. I could see someone sitting in a meeting in NY coming up with that one.

 

 

(JasonX I mean)

 

 

And BTW....sometimes people sit on information for a while until they either leak it themselves or someone else finds out.