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The Story of XTREME PRO WRESTLING

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Uiwa didnt run much here again after mid 99, they came back in fall of 2000, had 1 show, had i show per month from jan-mar then had the april show cancelled (the club decided they ddint want to have wrestling there and kicked them out- it probably had alot to do with all the negative publicity against wrestlign at the time)

 

 

yea they ahd alot of wrestlers who went on to star in xpw.

 

Plus they had samo joe, I still am shocked how popular he is getting cuz when he was in UIWA, he was tag team champ with some Rikishi lookalike in an Island BOYZ type gimmick. Checked the Net Joe actually was trained by IWF/UIWA mainstays like Jonny Hemp and Cincinatti Red.

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Yeah, Joe's debut match was against Jesse Balin a.k.a. Uncle Jess Hanson a.k.a. the lunatic Cybil of early XPW fame. The match was a few weeks before Jesse got signed to an exclusive contract by XPW and soon thereafter was never heard've again, except for a few minor indy gigs as Uncle Jess.

 

Chris Daniels also worked for Impact at a time. They had a damn good roster back in the day. That's also where Johnny Webb's tag team with "Dirty" Dan Hansen started out.

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The one, the only...SUPREME~! has been added to the list of contributees to this retrospective. Feel free to submit any questions you have for the big man by posting them here or by PMing me.

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Yeah impact had some good guys there. Also Aaron Aguilera (wwes Jesus) was a popular star here. They had a school in Simi Valley and later in my area of Oxnard. The local paper jad an artcle on that I still have it somewhere

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Parts 1-4 can be found at http://www.declarationofindependents.net/d...xpwhistory.html . Here's part 5 (the longest edition yet!!!!!!):

 

 

 

The History of Xtreme Pro Wrestling (Part 5): Rob Black and Paul Heyman talk interpromotional business

 

published on Saturday, April 23, 2005

 

A few weeks before the skits involving Rob Black, Buh Buh Ray Dudley, and Adult Video News executive Paul Fishbein were filmed in December 1998, Black, Byron, and Black’s new girlfriend Janet Romano (a.k.a. Lizzy Borden) appeared on an episode of ECW Hardcore TV that was taped in Queens, NY. They accompanied Little Guido (current-WWE superstar Nunzio) to the ring, while the colossal 400-lb. Sal E. Graziano followed behind in a bodyguard role.

 

At the very next ECW show (this time in New Orleans), Black and his colleagues continued to engage in scripted confrontations with ECW superstars, which now included Tommy Dreamer and The Sandman. The ECW duo forcibly poured a Budweiser down Byron's throat shortly before Buh Buh Ray responded to Black’s calling him a "motherfucker" by attacking the crude Extreme Associates master with some shots to the crotch. Buh Buh Ray then proceeded to ridicule Byron, only to receive several whacks with a beer bottle and a steel chair by the porn legend.

 

The heat that Black, Byron, and Nikki's drew from ECW fans via their participation on the shows that weekend impressed ECW management to the point that the company's officials (most notably Heyman) kept in contact with Black. The E.A. owner continued to attend various ECW shows – mainly those in the New York area – for the rest of 1998 and regularly met with Heyman and other ECW representatives over the next few months to discuss possible forms of interpromotional dealings. There was even a point where several of the ECW wrestlers could be found in the lockerroom speculating amongst themselves that Black and Byron were in the process of buying ECW from Heyman.

 

Black could not have been more thrilled to be discussing such marketing strategies with Heyman. For one thing, he had been a fan of pro wrestling ever since he was a child, and was also an ECW enthusiast. He can, in fact, be seen wearing an ECW t-shirt and cap in some of his older productions (such as Jane Waters' The Pornographer), while he takes an opportunity to praise ECW in the sixth scene of E.A.’ “Free At Last” production.

 

However, even more important to Black's willingness to interact with ECW than this long-time passion for sports entertainment was that such discussions made one of his dreams that he had for several years come one step closer. He had been contemplating possible methods of blending his main priority, pornography, with his subsidiary hobby, pro wrestling, and the opportunity to work with Heyman and ECW offered a route to the possible realization of that fantasy.

 

Pro wrestling historian Sheldon Goldberg - who was one of the few people in the wrestling media to actually cover the development of the relationship between ECW and E.A. and even came up with the “XPW” name - wrote on 1Wrestling.com in July 1999 his opinion as to why Black wanted to enter the wrestling market:

 

“Black's view is that the prime young male audience for pro wrestling is the same demographic which are prime consumers of his adult film product. With Black's 'adult stars' lending celebrity luster to the wrestling product, perhaps a base of fans can be built that will benefit both the wrestling product and add marketing dimension to his current adult film business.”

 

Despite that article being written in July, which was after the deal with ECW had gone sour, but before XPW held its inaugural show on July 31, Goldberg’s take on the situation appears to be very close to the mindset that officials from ECW and Extreme Associates had in their prospective “cross promotion” with one another. Articles from the period - both from porn and wrestling-related publications - indicate that both companies intended to use the audience of the other’s organization (ECW’s hardcore wrestling fans and E.A.’s eager porno addicts, respectively) as a means of “cross-promotion," as Black later worded it.

 

After Black arrived back in the U.S. from a meeting in Brazil with representatives from that country’s premier porn company, Video Lips, he and Heyman really got down to business. February 1999 was the period during which most of the discussions between the two companies transpired. During that month, Black and Heyman negotiated together for what added up to between 15 and 20 hours, eventually reaching an agreement. The details of their accord surfaced to the porno media a month later in a March 3, 1999 posting on Adult Video News’ website.

 

According to the article (entitled Rob Black Finalizes Wrestling Deal), both parties (ECW and E.A.) agreed to advertise the other’s merchandise on their respective video tapes. A similar article (which appears to be based upon the original AVN article) from April 17, 1999 on RAME.net (the porn equivalent of pro wrestling’s RSPW) indicates that Heyman intended to air on his ECW home videos (which were distributed by RF Video at the time, as Pioneer Entertainment was still a year away from entering the picture) and its TV show 60-second advertisements for “Black’s new ‘Tits and Ass’ line of porno action figures as well as other Extreme Associates projects.”

 

Black’s right-hand man, Tom Byron, also figured into the picture, although his proposed role in the relationship between the two companies was one of the several facets of the plan that never panned out. The aforementioned RAME.net post indicates that the parties from ECW and E.A. discussed with one another the idea of airing skits on ECW TV that featured Byron in a role that resembled that of Val Venis’ WWF character around the same time. A different RSPW post than the April 17 one concurred with that claim, stating that “these ‘skits’ will be Tom Byron ‘casting calls,’ for porno movies,” and the same wording was used in AVN’s March 3 article.

 

ECW and E.A. were also planning to release action figures of Byron and Jasmin St. Claire. The April 17 RAME.net posting and the March 3 AVN article indicate that the Byron figure would be based on his porn character, while the Jasmin one would depict her as an ECW valet. Black also intended to air commercials for ECW on his porno videos, and he would try to use his relationship with the porno company, "Extreme Brazil," to help expand ECW's product into South America, a possibility that fascinated Heyman.

 

Black’s power in the porn industry and relationship with porn companies in the Brazil seemed to be the perfect route to achieving the distribution of ECW videos in Brazil and in establishing Internet promotion for ECW in that region. It is, however, unknown whether live events ran in Brazil by ECW were discussed, since the April 17 RAME.net post specifically says there were not, but a press release on RSPW did mention that possibility and, similarly, Black claimed in the March 3, 1999 AVN article that “We'll also be doing live wrestling shows in Brazil. I'll be the Brazilian ECW representative.”

 

Nonetheless, what is known for sure - as several AVN articles, along with various RAME.net and RSPW posts, confirmed it - is that Black was going to market ECW videos throughout Brazil. According to Black in his 2000 ScoopsWrestling.com interview, Heyman was going to let E.A. “buy his masters and distribute his product in Brazil.” Black elucidated about these plans in a March 12, 1999 article by AVN:

 

“I'm trying to work this Brazilian deal to distribute the tapes. Trying to hammer out the final things. The Brazilians like real stuff. They want it to be real. We're trying to put the matches together that look the most realistic - the barbed wire, the scaffolds - it's a f*cking nightmare. I'm looking at a bunch of tapes of a scaffold match where the guy falls like 20 feet to the ground. It's back and forth with ECW, trying to watch these tapes, trying to decide if we're going to make a compilation of the best five Extreme matches. We're going to release it, we just don't know what or when.”

 

Heyman had also been interested in holding some ECW cards on the West Coast of the U.S. for the first time ever. That wish eventually came to fruition (although through no help of Black’s) with the mid-2000 HeatWave Pay-Per-View, at which there was an altercation between ECW’s wrestlers and those of XPW. Since Extreme Associates was headquartered in California, Black believed that he had the necessary resources to assist ECW in funding shows in that area.

 

Sheldon Goldberg wrote on 1Wrestling.com in the above-mentioned article that if that were to happen, “Black would have assumed some sort of local promoter role, but ECW was reluctant to commit, since their TV in the market was felt to be inadequate. ECW tried to get Black into the fold, using some of Extreme's girls in valet-type roles and creating a cross-promotional relationship between the companies.” Goldberg claimed that the deal fell through the cracks because Black thought that “ECW was presenting a relationship that was too one-sided for his taste.”

 

The deal between ECW and E.A. also entailed Heyman giving Black permission to have his E.A. cameramen film his appearances on ECW shows and air them on his porn releases. In fact, cameramen for E.A. did just that for awhile, as they filmed Black, Borden, and Byron’s exploits at many of the ECW shows that they attended. Some of this footage was released on E.A.’s “Whack Attack 5” production, which also features Black and Borden goofing around with Tommy Dreamer, Buh Buh Ray Dudley, and Big Dick Dudley. Black also hoped to use this type of E.A.-filmed footage and footage that ECW provided him to “run trailers for the ECW product” on his Extreme Associates home videos (80,000 of which were selling per month, according to Black in his ScooopsWrestling.com interview).

 

E.A. was so serious about the impending relationship with ECW that it went so far as to hire John Blatt, a veteran of the porn industry, specifically to head up E.A.’s new sales division, which included the task of managing the launch of Byron’s “Tits and Ass” line. Blatt was hired by E.A. in March, several weeks after he had been let go by Plum Productions, for which he was a major executive.

 

Black’s plans for ECW also included supplying the services of another female valet to further ECW's claim to the hottest women sports entertainment had to offer. That woman was none other than Jasmin St. Claire, who – up until that point – had strictly been involved in pornography (dating back to 1994). Up until this point in time, Jasmin had never been involved in pro wrestling, other than being a fan of the sport from a young age. Although Jasmine tends to shy away from discussing her porn endeavors in recent wrestling-related interviews, she was - according to AVN archives - extremely intrigued by the prospect of being a driving force in the proposed Extreme Associates/ECW partnership.

 

Black explained in a mid-2000 interview with ScoopsWrestling.com how Jasmin would actually fit into the picture, saying that the previous year (1999), Heyman and him “were going to come up with an Internet company,” featuring Jasmin as one of the centerpieces. Heyman had proposed the idea of airing commercials on local TV or on ECW home videos that would advertise a web site:

 

“[The ads would] show Jasmin St. Claire in the commercial and say, ‘Do you want to see Jasmin St. Claire vacuuming the carpet?' and it would show her vacuuming.’ Dial up www. Whatever it was going to be’. You'd click into it and you'd see Jasmine vacuuming. But as you go a couple of more clicks it says, 'To see explicit action and you're 18, click here'.”

 

Black said that it would’ve cost him and Heyman a combined $20,000 per month to advertise through such means. However, he was apparently willing to take the chance, even saying that he had intended to promote this product “under the censors, under [Heyman’s] local people so they would never give a shit. They wouldn't know.” Even if there was a risk to these plans, Black was mesmerized by the thought of helping to manage the affairs of a pro wrestling company such as ECW.

 

Furthermore, from Heyman and ECW’s perspective, the deal probably seemed almost too good to pass up. E.A. owned special cameras, lighting equipment, and editing suites and was more financially stable than RF Video, which ECW was using as a dubbing house for its tapes, at the time. These luxuries allowed E.A. to put forth a pornography product which bragged unusually high quality production. In the same respect, this also offered ECW the opportunity to touch up it video merchandise and present it in a professional manner for the potential fans it sought to draw in from E.A.’s demographics.

 

Some things, however, aren’t meant to be, and as it would turn out, the cross-promotion between ECW and Extreme Associates was one of those things…

 

COMING SOON: The ECW/E.A. cross-promotion sours…

 

 

 

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If you have scanning capability, I'd like to see the ad, and could use it in the retrospective.

I do have a printer/sacnner combo so yea I could email it you I suppose. what is your addy?

 

 

also I have a IWF program from that first show I went to, plus a UIWA program and some flyers perhaps you could use.

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Jericholic, have you gotten my PM about the scans? I PMed you my e-mail address and such and haven't heard from you. I'm thinking the PM may not have gone through. Let me know. Thanks.

Sorry I didn't know how to check my pms before, I got it now. I'll contact you when I find all my stuff and scan it.

 

Ok I just emailed you.

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Yeah, don't worry. It's coming, it's coming...I'm supposed to be doing interviews with Kaos and Jake Lawless soon, and then Dynamite D, Supreme, Homeless Jimmy, Patrick Hernandez, and others down the line. Also, I'm trying to get legal approval for the song I want to use for one of the XPW music videos, and I'm having trouble getting a hold of the company that holds the copyright, but I'm working on it. Thanks for the interest.

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Yeah, don't worry. It's coming, it's coming...I'm supposed to be doing interviews with Kaos and Jake Lawless soon, and then Dynamite D, Supreme, Homeless Jimmy, Patrick Hernandez, and others down the line. Also, I'm trying to get legal approval for the song I want to use for one of the XPW music videos, and I'm having trouble getting a hold of the company that holds the copyright, but I'm working on it. Thanks for the interest.

Sweet, can't wait.

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I've finally sent an offer for an interview to the one guy who is associated with XPW perhaps more than anybody else (besides Rob Black) - the one and only Messiah. I can't guarantee whether he'll accept, but I'll keep everyone posted. Here's hoping he accepts...Whatever the case may be, best of luck to Messiah, as his sister Annie gets married tomorrow. Messiah will be staying in Philly after the wedding so that he can do PWU's show next week. Also, you can catch Messiah on Trash Talking Radio this coming Tuesday, featuring questions supplied by yours truly. We tried to have me co-host the show as a special guest so I could ask him stuff myself, but TTR's technology limits the number of people who can be connected to the show at one time. TrashTalkingRadio.com

 

Also, XPW ring announcer Kingdom James has been added to the list of contributees.

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I've finally sent an offer for an interview to the one guy who is associated with XPW perhaps more than anybody else (besides Rob Black) - the one and only Messiah. I can't guarantee whether he'll accept, but I'll keep everyone posted. Here's hoping he accepts...Whatever the case may be, best of luck to Messiah, as his sister Annie gets married tomorrow. Messiah will be staying in Philly after the wedding so that he can do PWU's show next week. Also, you can catch Messiah on Trash Talking Radio this coming Tuesday, featuring questions supplied by yours truly. We tried to have me co-host the show as a special guest so I could ask him stuff myself, but TTR's technology limits the number of people who can be connected to the show at one time. TrashTalkingRadio.com

 

Also, XPW ring announcer Kingdom James has been added to the list of contributees.

cool hope he talks to you. Glad to see Messiah continues onward with his career, as I felt he was one of the most talented wrestlers and talkers that XPW ever had.

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Messiah's interview with TTR just finished up. They got to a couple of my questions, as Messiah discussed Tom Byron, UPW, Onita, Gary Yap (interesting response), and lots more. I should have an answer later this week as to whether I'll be getting an interview with Messiah. With the exception of the Yap question, these were the less controversial questions I submitted. If Messiah is on in the future, I expect to either cohost the show or at least get all the rest of my questions answered, so check TTR out, it's a great, great show!!! Tonight's show also will feature Elix Skipper (who is on right now as I post this) and Matt Hardy (in about an hour). I'd like to give a special thanks to Trish at TTR for fielding my questions. Towards the end of the interview, you can hear her mention my name in the background. The interview will be up for download tomorrow at TrashTalkingRadio.com.

 

PS - this is also the first interview ever where Messiah has came straight out and said that he thinks Rob was the one who masterminded the real-life attack on him. Previously, he kayfabed it and said it had to do with a former-employer.

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Unfortunately, Messiah won't be contributing. He wanted too much money for the interview ($250). I was willing to pay him a little more than $100. Sorry for those who wanted to hear it straight from him. I would've liked to also, but oh well...I hope to have news on another XPW mainstay within the next couple days (possibly even tonight) and their status. That $250, BTW, is much more than I'm going to have to pay even a guy like Sabu (who I'm working on, but I won't say anything more than that...).

 

And if I haven't mentioned it yet, Kingdom James is in and will be contributing. He has some great stories from XPW's Philly days about Juventud Guerrera and what Juvi was like to deal with backstage, Chris Candido stories, and more.

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Unfortunately, Messiah won't be contributing. He wanted too much money for the interview ($250). I was willing to pay him a little more than $100. Sorry for those who wanted to hear it straight from him. I would've liked to also, but oh well...I hope to have news on another XPW mainstay within the next couple days (possibly even tonight) and their status. That $250, BTW, is much more than I'm going to have to pay even a guy like Sabu (who I'm working on, but I won't say anything more than that...).

 

And if I haven't mentioned it yet, Kingdom James is in and will be contributing. He has some great stories from XPW's Philly days about Juventud Guerrera and what Juvi was like to deal with backstage, Chris Candido stories, and more.

He must be strapped for cash :D sorry to hear that dude, but glad to see you have other plans.

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The one...the only...LARRY Motherfucking RIVERA will be contributing! That's right, even for you people who hated XPW, he was the one thing that you liked (besides Kaos). El Chico himself is looking forward to talking about his experiences.

 

I'm working on contacting Kris Kloss and should know whether he agrees in a week or so.

Edited by LucharesuFan619

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The one...the only...LARRY Motherfucking RIVERA will be contributing! That's right, even for you people who hated XPW, he was the one thing that you liked (besides Kaos). El Chico himself is looking forward to talking about his experiences.

WOAH LARRY RIVERA!!! SWEET!!!!! Ask him if he still talks to Maribal at the taco bell (he started saying this during the match between Abby and Axl when they brought out the stapler and it had me ROTFL).

 

But seriously you must ask him what he though of the fake Larry Rivera that replaced him.

 

 

Can't wait for the next part.

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The Story of Xtreme Pro Wrestling (part 5): The ECW/Extreme Associates cross-promotion sours

 

posted by LucharesuFan619 on Wednesday, June 29, 2005

 

However much Rob Black hoped for them to succeed, the negotiations between himself and ECW were arguably doomed from the very start. Although the falling-out between the two parties happened quite suddenly – one day, Paul Heyman stopped taking Black’s calls – the situation was actually quite a long time in the making. The relationship between the two companies was still healthy in late March 1999. Then-Extreme Associates porn star Jasmin St. Claire made her ECW debut on Sunday, March 21, 1999 at the “Living Dangerously” Pay-Per-View from Asbury Park, NJ, and was accompanied on the trip by Rob Black, Tom Byron, and Lizzy Borden accompanied her on the trip. The four left California on Thursday night to fly to Asbury Park, attended some pre-Pay-Per-View parties on Friday night, and then Black and Byron sat in on Jasmine’s Saturday morning training session with Francine, who she was going to be working with the following night. Black, Byron, and Lizzy sat in the crowd for the event itself on Sunday night, although they didn’t appear on camera.

 

Shortly after that Pay-Per-View, however, the relationship between Black and ECW gradually began to deteriorate. Paul Heyman worked extremely closely with Steve Karel, who was ECW’s business manager. Unbeknownst to many wrestling fans and journalists alike, Karel was thoroughly involved in the porn business for several years. Before joining ECW, Karel had helped fund porn films while working for CDI Home Video and had also been employed by Penthouse. At one point, Karel tried to sell the rights of a movie (which had featured St. Claire) that he had filmed to Extreme Associates, but when Black told him straight up that “this movie is a hunk of sh*t,” Karel took offense and their relationship soured. In an interview with ScoopsWrestling.com, Black had strong words for Karel:

 

“He so desperately wanted to be in the porno business, but everything he did was just garbage. I was essentially everything Steve Karel wanted to be. I was the big pornographer, I was the one who owned the biggest company in the business, I was the one who was the player in the porno business and he wanted to be the player. And I shunned his stupid f*cking movie.”

 

According to the Pro Wrestling Torch, PWInsider.com, and several other sources, Karel is still highly involved in the porn business. He is presently helping to fund the Women’s Extreme Wrestling federation, which frequently incorporates softcore porn into its product. He was even quoted in a January 7, 2005 Washington Post article about the resurgence of “peep shows” and the “skin business.” The article called Karel “an energetic PR representative for several adult bars” in New York, including - but not limited to - the Hustler Club at 51st Street and 12th Avenue in New York City. Despite his background and his continued involvement in the porn industry, Karel remained a close personal confidant of Paul Heyman long after the negotiations between Extreme Associates and ECW ended. Heyman was in daily contact with Karel right up until the day that he signed with WWE.

The potential working relationship between Extreme Associates and ECW met its nail in the coffin when ECW began discussing the possibility of penning a television deal for ECW with The National Network (TNN). Realizing that the odds of an agreement being secured with TNN would reduce substantially if the network discovered that ECW was doing business with a porn company, Heyman cut all ties with Black and Extreme Associates. According to those people who were close to the situation, Black was furious upon learning of the sudden decision and realizing that ECW executives (including Heyman) would no longer take his calls.

However, Mark Lamonica (a.k.a. Buh Buh Ray Dudley) was perhaps the most affected by ECW’s change of marketing policy because he – as opposed to Heyman, Karel, or somebody else from ECW’s “public relations” or legal department – was left to contact Black when he and his storyline brother, D-Von Dudley, began negotiating with the WWF in mid-1999 and he became concerned that if the WWF learned of his depiction in Extreme Associate’s “Whack Attack 5” production, the contract that was in the works between the Dudley Boyz and the WWF may be reneged upon. In his ScoopsWrestling.com interview, Black described Lamonica as being “a pawn in the game” at that point in time because one day, he had to be the one to telephone Black and plead with him to cancel the publication of the film, only to be told that the film had already been released.

Luckily for Lamonica, the cameo never turned into a problem, nor did it for Tommy Dreamer, who is also currently employed by the former-WWF, now WWE. Although it’s not known whether or not WWE management ever learned of the footage, its release certainly didn’t derail Lamonica’s success in WWF. However, unlike that of Lamonica (who Black maintains occasional contact with to this day), Rob Black’s future in pro wrestling wasn’t as clear-cut. His deal with ECW had gone down the drain and now he was left to decide whether he truly wanted to embark on a wrestling-related endeavor, and if so, how he would go about doing so.

 

EDITOR’S NOTE: I was unsuccessful in my attempts to contact Steve Karel to get his side of the story about the negotiations between ECW and Extreme Associates.

 

 

For those who have been asking, I would also like to offer a tentative schedule outlining the next few chapters in this ongoing retrospective. Number 1 indicates the next part to be released, number 2 the one after that, etc.

 

1. Introducing Verne Langdon and the Slammers Wrestling Federation (1989)

2. How Slammers broke many future-XPW stars into the business (1989-1996)

3. The dWo (Dynamite World Order) shoot incident/Breaking away from Slammers (1996)

4. XPW Precursors on the indy scene: Southern California Championship Wrestling, United Independent Wrestling Alliance, and the Impact Wrestling Federation (1997-1999)

5. The seeds of XPW come into place - Kleinrock meets Black, Big Dick Dudley and Tito Ortiz (yes, you read right) get involved, etc. (mid-1999)

6. The First XPW Show - planning, advertising, heat with the UIWA, etc. (July 31, 1999)

 

Following these topics, there will be articles about XPW’s problems with certain venues and athletic commissions, the XPW TV negotiations, the working relationship with Nicole Bass, Jasmine St. Claire’s departure from Extreme Associates, negotiations with Antonio Inoki’s UFO, etc.

 

For more information, e-mail [email protected]

 

 

 

 

 

Any feedback is welcomed.

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Holy shit man.This keeps getting better and better! I know it`s a long shot but is there any chance of an upload featuring Black and Lizzy in ECW?!

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