More from the middle east

[Guest TheMikeSC]

1) Explosions and fires erupted in the Church of the Nativity. I, again, say SCREW the Palestinians for taking hostages in this church and expecting ANYBODY to sympathize with them.

 

And SCREW anybody who does sympathize with them.

 

If the Muslim world wants the world to respect their holy places, they might wish to stop their own adherents from destroying ancient Buddhist statues and from taking hostages in a holy Christian church.

 

2) The Palestinians officially lowered their death toll from the Jenin "massacre" from the originally quoted "more than 500" to a final number of ...56.

 

Now, the U.S from the get-go said that the final death toll would be around 45-55, but the European press RAN with Arafat's initial claims and used it to condemn Israel.

 

Will anybody claim that Arafat LIED to the world about this? Will the European press ever be willing to not believe Arafat's word?

 

Odds are, the answer is no.

 

Source: http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020501-5587072.htm

 

3) European Scientists support severing all ties with Israel.

 

Another reason to insult the Europens as much as humanly possible. Read this open letter to the Guardian---it is beyond mind-boggling. Link: http://www.pjpo.org/appelinst.html

 

It's time for us to realize that Europe's ONLY goal is to find the easy way out---not the right way out.

 

I'd say more, but I'm now presently hoping that Israel bombs the holy Mecca in Saudi Arabia at this point.

                                  -=Mike

 

...Who wonders how many people still disagree with me that these Palestinian thugs are sub-human?

[Guest DragonflyKid]

I agree, the Palestinians have been given much more than they deserve. Arafat should have been either killed or arrested by now for all his support of terrorism and BS. After the way the U.S. is going after Bin Laden and the Taiban it is hypocritical to condem Israel for going after the bombers and isolating Arafat the way they are.

 

It seems like the U.S. is intent on coddling the Palestinians so not to piss of all the oil-rich Arab countries who support them.

[Guest]

1) Dr Dore Gold's remarks make it perfectly clear that, despite Arafat's lies about the IDF "storming" the Church, it was Palestinian terrorists who deliberately started the fire in the hope of drawing Israelis into vulnerable positions.

 

2) Kofi Annan, Secretary General of the United Apologists for Hate and Racism, has said that Israel's completely justified refusal to cooperate with the "fact-finding mission," which was to include a vicious anti-Semite who has publicly equated the Star of David to the Nazi swastika, will cast "a long shadow" over the Jenin "massacre." Apparently, news of the official Palestinian death toll hasn't reached him yet.

 

3) Why bother insulting them? We should bomb the fuck out of them too. Just like any other regimes which harbour, succour, and give any aid whatsoever to terrorist scum.

[Guest Some Guy]

Has anybody else heard the expression, "If you give someone enough rope they'll hang themselves"?

Arafat has hanged himself about 30 times and he still gets supported, he's a piece of garbage and so are the people who support him.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

<<<1) Dr Dore Gold's remarks make it perfectly clear that, despite Arafat's lies about the IDF "storming" the Church, it was Palestinian terrorists who deliberately started the fire in the hope of drawing Israelis into vulnerable positions.>>>

 

 

Heck, even PALESTINIANS claimed, shortly after the incident, that the death toll was grossly exaggerated. The European press didn't care.

 

It is beyond laughable at this point.

 

 

<<<2) Kofi Annan, Secretary General of the United Apologists for Hate and Racism, has said that Israel's completely justified refusal to cooperate with the "fact-finding mission," which was to include a vicious anti-Semite who has publicly equated the Star of David to the Nazi swastika, will cast "a long shadow" over the Jenin "massacre." Apparently, news of the official Palestinian death toll hasn't reached him yet.>>>

 

 

One theory for his refusal to send the fact-finding mission is that with the death toll no longer being that bad---the U.N won't be given enough anti-Israeli propaganda to use.

 

 

<<<3) Why bother insulting them? We should bomb the fuck out of them too. Just like any other regimes which harbour, succour, and give any aid whatsoever to terrorist scum. >>>

 

 

At this point, I'm not opposed to the idea of bombing the holy Mecca.

 

If they will take hostages in the holiest church in the Christian world and then attack people from it, then they have no right to expect respect.

            -=Mike

[Guest Risk]

To quote the Offspring's "Come Out And Play":

 

"Your never ending spree of death and violence and hate is gonna tie your own rope..."

 

Palestine is desperate, they know their time on this Earth is short.

[Guest big Dante Cruz]

This sort of thing so seriously pisses me off.

 

To take the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem and then get all pissy about their religious places.... argh

 

Makes me wish we had a Spetsnaz.  These are the guys that went to a school held by terrorists, raided and killed four of the terrorists without the rest knowing and tossed in the dead men's heads in a bag.  The guys in the school gave up.  Wouldn't that be nice?

[Guest Frank Zappa Mask]

<<<At this point, I'm not opposed to the idea of bombing the holy Mecca.>>>

 

-I'm sorry, Mike, but not only is this one of the most ignorant and frightening things I've ever heard come out of your mouth, I would also really like to know what this would accomplish, or how your approval of this idea makes you any better than a terrorist?  The bloodlust in this thread is absolutely appalling.  It feels like I'm reading a bunch of responses from angry fourth-graders planning strategy in their latest playground war.  

 

I'm not saying that nothing should be done, and I have to agree that the supposed blind bias of the European press towards Arafat doesn't help anyone, but most people here seem to fail to recognize that saying we should "bomb the fuck" out of Palestine, a place that some of you claim is full of nothing but sub-humans, on the most basic level does not make you any better in your attitudes and opinions than a terrorist.   This is the reason I refuse to pick sides in this debate, because the moment you begin to blindly support one side, you must disregard the humanity of the other side.  If you continue to insist on feeling the way you do about this situation, I can do nothing but feel sorry for you and every other American like myself who have to deal with the blind ignorance of people like you who insist on turning this world into one big boardgame where the consideration of human life is put by the wayside....

[Guest Some Guy]

<<<At this point, I'm not opposed to the idea of bombing the holy Mecca.>>>

 

-I'm sorry, Mike, but not only is this one of the most ignorant and frightening things I've ever heard come out of your mouth, I would also really like to know what this would accomplish, or how your approval of this idea makes you any better than a terrorist?  The bloodlust in this thread is absolutely appalling.  It feels like I'm reading a bunch of responses from angry fourth-graders planning strategy in their latest playground war.  

 

I'm not saying that nothing should be done, and I have to agree that the supposed blind bias of the European press towards Arafat doesn't help anyone, but most people here seem to fail to recognize that saying we should "bomb the fuck" out of Palestine, a place that some of you claim is full of nothing but sub-humans, on the most basic level does not make you any better in your attitudes and opinions than a terrorist.   This is the reason I refuse to pick sides in this debate, because the moment you begin to blindly support one side, you must disregard the humanity of the other side.  If you continue to insist on feeling the way you do about this situation, I can do nothing but feel sorry for you and every other American like myself who have to deal with the blind ignorance of people like you who insist on turning this world into one big boardgame where the consideration of human life is put by the wayside....

I don't consider Palestinians as "sub-human", just Arafat and his supporters, there are some good ones.  It has become quite clear who is in the right in this battle, who is willing to try to make peace, and who is being terrorized.  Whether or not you choose sides is up to you, but don't insult us by with your self-righteous pity and call us ignorant for having the guts to choose a side based on what we know of the situation.

[Guest Frank Zappa Mask]

That's fine, and if you want to pick sides, then pick a side, but calling for Mecca to be bombed out of petty revenge and a blown-up sense of religious nationalism is about the most ignorant thing I've ever read on this board.  If you honestly believe that some kind of mass slaughter or incredible act of violence is going to solve the situation in the Middle East, then I don't know what to tell you.  It seems like some people here honestly want a Holy War.....

[Guest Invader3k]

Here is a link to another story on the "Jenin massacre" that summarizes everything pretty well: http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020501-5587072.htm

 

If this doesn't expose the bias of the Europeans, UN, and liberals in the US to the Palestinians, I don't know what will. I'm sick of seeing President Bush bending over for the Arabs and Arafat. The problem is that we get so much oil that we need from the Muslim world, so we have to placate them constantly, when really Israel is our only real friend over there (with Turkey aside).

[Guest Risk]

It seems like some people here honestly want a Holy War.....

A lot do.  I, for one, don't blame them.

[Guest]

It seems like some people here honestly want a Holy War...

The radical Moslems have been calling for one for decades now. When we ignored them, they started one in our country, against our innocent civilians. So we're saying we should give them what they want. Cry me a fucking river.

Oh, and by the way, the United States will win.

[Guest Some Guy]

That's fine, and if you want to pick sides, then pick a side, but calling for Mecca to be bombed out of petty revenge and a blown-up sense of religious nationalism is about the most ignorant thing I've ever read on this board.  If you honestly believe that some kind of mass slaughter or incredible act of violence is going to solve the situation in the Middle East, then I don't know what to tell you.  It seems like some people here honestly want a Holy War.....

Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, right now our primary beef is not with them, at this point I think it would be unwise to bomb Mecca and if we ever have to fight Saudi Arabia, then I hope we avoid bombing it at all costs.  Mecca is a holy place for non-terrorists as well.  I'm not the least bit religious but I respect religious freedom and to blow Mecca up would really be an assault on Islam.  Unless we are at war with SA and their troops attack us from there then we should leave it alone.  I don't want a holy war but teh Palestians do and have for over 5 decades, they even started a few and gotten their asses kicked.  I say if they want it give it to them, I'm very magnanimous after all.

 

Mike I think you made that statement in an off-hand manner, but Frank seems to have taken it literally, so I'm responding to his post rather than yours.

[Guest]

The bloodlust in this thread is absolutely appalling.

Let me try to appall you a little bit more, you pathetic naïf.

I want to see blood. Lots of blood. I want to see these murdering bastards die on CNN, live. I want their bullet-riddled bodies to be hoisted in gibbets in the centre of every mosque in the world as a warning to all evil terrorist scum who might dare to attack my country. In fact, I wish I had enrolled in officers' school, as my parents wanted me to, five years ago - just so I could pull the trigger, and listen to them beg and scream.

I want that vicious, deceitful, cowardly brute, Yasser Arafat, to fry for all the innocent Israelis and Palestinians he's killed, and I want to flip the switch myself. I want to see Osama bin Laden's head torn off his filthy neck and impaled on a sharp stick. I want to see the exact same thing happen to every other motherfucker who so much as breathes the words "Great Satan." If any regime anywhere in the world gives so much as one more cent to any terrorist organisation, I want nuclear missiles to blast it into utter oblivion. I want to see an Armageddon of fire and wrath and INFINITE JUSTICE descend on these ratfuck sons of bitches.

Please, take all of that literally. I mean every word. And I don't think I'm the only one.

[Guest big Dante Cruz]

You sure that wouldn't belong on Fox News instead?

[Guest]

Only if Geraldo Rivera were standing next to the bodies, solemnly proclaiming that they were only captured at great personal risk to him.

Y'know, if they want to kill Americans, that's one guy I'd gladly hand over.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

<<<At this point, I'm not opposed to the idea of bombing the holy Mecca.>>>

 

-I'm sorry, Mike, but not only is this one of the most ignorant and frightening things I've ever heard come out of your mouth, I would also really like to know what this would accomplish, or how your approval of this idea makes you any better than a terrorist?>>>

 

 

In the past three years, Muslims have destroyed the oldest Buddhist statues known and desecrated the holiest church in Christendom.

 

What would bombing the Mecca do? It would show that "religion of peace" that if they expect respect for their holiest places they had best damn well learn respect for other religions.

 

 

<<<The bloodlust in this thread is absolutely appalling.  It feels like I'm reading a bunch of responses from angry fourth-graders planning strategy in their latest playground war.>>>

 

 

Is it bloodlust?

 

Absolutely. I have ZERO patience or tolerance for the murderous Palestinians and the fact that so much of the world is willing to turn on Israel for no good reason just infuriates me more than words.

 

 

<<<I'm not saying that nothing should be done, and I have to agree that the supposed blind bias of the European press towards Arafat doesn't help anyone, but most people here seem to fail to recognize that saying we should "bomb the fuck" out of Palestine, a place that some of you claim is full of nothing but sub-humans, on the most basic level does not make you any better in your attitudes and opinions than a terrorist.>>>

 

 

One difference---Palestinians REFUSE to live in peace. Flat-out refuse. They don't want peace. Heck, Arafat is staging war with Israel to keep his peoples' minds off how f'n corrupt and inept his "government" is.

 

Did I say all Palestinians were sub-human? No, just the sub-human monkeys who support this crap.

 

 

<<<This is the reason I refuse to pick sides in this debate, because the moment you begin to blindly support one side, you must disregard the humanity of the other side.  If you continue to insist on feeling the way you do about this situation, I can do nothing but feel sorry for you and every other American like myself who have to deal with the blind ignorance of people like you who insist on turning this world into one big boardgame where the consideration of human life is put by the wayside.... >>>

 

 

It's Palestine that has put te consideration for human life by the wayside.

 

Arafat is an evil little sub-human monkey. That is ALL he is.

 

What evil in the world has EVER been stopped by negotiation?

                         -=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

<<<That's fine, and if you want to pick sides, then pick a side, but calling for Mecca to be bombed out of petty revenge and a blown-up sense of religious nationalism is about the most ignorant thing I've ever read on this board.>>>

 

 

Muslims have already shown blatant disregard for Christianity AND Buddhism.

 

Why in the world SHOULD their religion be given even a shred of "respect"?

 

When the Catholic sex scandal broke, did you see Christians say "Yes, it's wrong, but those damned jailbait cockteasers had it coming"?

 

No, Christians CONDEMNED it unequivocably.

 

Do you see this with suicide bombing? Absolutely not. You hear nothing but "Yes, it's bad---BUT (fill in your own illogical tripe here)".

 

 

<<<If you honestly believe that some kind of mass slaughter or incredible act of violence is going to solve the situation in the Middle East, then I don't know what to tell you.>>>

 

 

Um, at what point will you finally realize that maybe, just maybe, negotiation hasn't quite worked out all that well?

 

 

<<<It seems like some people here honestly want a Holy War..... >>>

 

 

A holy war is where this whole thing is headed. Muslims have shown an incredible inability to live peacefully with neighbors if their church has ANY power in their state (and only Turkey had the balls enough to not let the church run the country). At a certain point, we will run out of cheeks to turn.

                       -=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

<<<Quote (Frank Zappa Mask @ May 02 2002,14:40)

That's fine, and if you want to pick sides, then pick a side, but calling for Mecca to be bombed out of petty revenge and a blown-up sense of religious nationalism is about the most ignorant thing I've ever read on this board.  If you honestly believe that some kind of mass slaughter or incredible act of violence is going to solve the situation in the Middle East, then I don't know what to tell you.  It seems like some people here honestly want a Holy War.....

 

Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, right now our primary beef is not with them, at this point I think it would be unwise to bomb Mecca and if we ever have to fight Saudi Arabia, then I hope we avoid bombing it at all costs.  Mecca is a holy place for non-terrorists as well.>>>

 

 

My frustration is that we've seen Muslims destroy Buddhst statues and desecrate a church that is every bit as holy to Christians as the Mecca is to them.

 

Their complete and utter disregard for other religions---yet incessant whining that theirs is a "religion of peace" and that they've been treated unfairly, is infuriating.

 

 

<<<I'm not the least bit religious but I respect religious freedom and to blow Mecca up would really be an assault on Islam.  Unless we are at war with SA and their troops attack us from there then we should leave it alone.>>>

 

 

Well, if Bush was consistent with his doctrine, we would absolutely be at war with Arabia (let's stop calling it Saudi Arabia---the Saud famiy is in charge due to us) presently.

 

 

<<<I don't want a holy war but teh Palestians do and have for over 5 decades, they even started a few and gotten their asses kicked.  I say if they want it give it to them, I'm very magnanimous after all. >>>

 

 

Arafat wants it because he both knows that he is incapable of creating a state that won't pale in comparison to Israel (freedom tends to make places better---something the Muslim states might eventually learn; but I expect not) and because when Palestine isn't "at war", people might focus on his inept leadership.

 

 

<<<Mike I think you made that statement in an off-hand manner, but Frank seems to have taken it literally, so I'm responding to his post rather than yours. >>>

 

 

Do I REALLY want to see Mecca bombed?

 

No, because the West is BETTER than the monkeys who feel that suicide bombing and the actions of Palestine are fine.

 

However, I DO want to see us let Israel loose---let them do whatever they want to stop the violence. If the world doesn't like it, tell them to kiss off. We don't need them.

                            -=Mike

[Guest Vyce]

This is old, but I still find it funny:

 

From the Onion....

 

CRAZED PALESTINIAN GUNMAN ANGERED BY STEREOTYPES

 

HEBRON, WEST BANK—In an emotionally charged press conference Monday, crazed Palestinian gunman Faisal al Hamad expressed frustration over the stereotyping of his people.

 

"As a crazed Palestinian gunman, I feel hurt by the negative portrayal of my people in the media," said al Hamad, 31, a Hebron-area terrorist maniac. "None of us should have to live with stereotyping and ignorance."

 

He then began screaming and firing into a busload of Israeli schoolchildren.

 

"It hurts that in this supposedly enlightened day and age, people still make assumptions about other people," al Hamad said. "We should not rely on simple generalizations. Each crazed Palestinian gunman is an individual."

 

Al Hamad said that he himself has often been unfairly stereotyped. "Any time I enter a crowded temple with fully loaded AK-47s in both hands, people just assume I'm going to open fire," he said. "That really hurts."

 

"Yes, I sometimes do gun people down in the name of the One True God," he noted. "But there is so much more to me."

 

Several weeks ago, al Hamad was again the victim of stereotyping during a vacation he took with his family to Washington, D.C.

 

"When we arrived at the airport in Washington, security guards detained us for more than 12 hours, just because I had 140 pounds of plastic explosives strapped to my chest," al Hamad said. "Do you think they would have called the FBI if I weren't a crazed Palestinian who's on their Ten Most Wanted List? I don't think so."

 

Al Hamad said his vacation was ruined when federal agents seized a crate of chemical weapons he had brought into the U.S. as a gift for a friend in New York.

 

"I explained to them that the weapons were a birthday present for the blind cleric Sayid al Farouq, a good friend of mine from high school," he said. "But they did not believe me and took me into federal custody for nine weeks. Again, it's a case of people jumping to conclusions on the basis of skin color. And that can be very frustrating."

 

According to al Hamad, stereotypes against crazed Palestinian gunmen don't work because they don't take into account the vast variety of proud histories and diverse cultures among them.

 

"There are so many different kinds of crazed Palestinian gunmen. Each of us has our own unique reasons and motivations for our bus bombings and suicide missions," he said. "No two fundamentalist agendas are alike."

 

Al Hamad also stressed the importance of understanding and celebrating the cultural differences between crazed Palestinian gunmen and non-crazed, non-Palestinian non-gunmen.

 

"All the different peoples of the world have something special to offer each other," he said. "Our diversity is our greatest strength. Let's not make a weakness out of that strength."

 

To emphasize his point, al Hamad fired into a crowd, killing nine.

 

"I'm proud to be a crazed Palestinian gunman, obviously," he said in between shouts of anti-imperialist slogans. "But I'm an individual first. I'm me. Die, Yankee infidel pig swine!"

 

[Guest Vern Gagne]

How could anyone possibily side with the Palestinian Authority on any issue.They've shown time after time they're nothing but terrorists and liars.

[Guest]

so much of the world is willing to turn on Israel for no good reason

Oh, they have good reasons. Several million barrels of them. Of course, they're also contemptible, but arguably so are we, albeit to a lesser degree. I wish our President would declare war on Arabia (I'll go with Mike's change) already. I'd enlist tomorrow.

The message needs to be absolutely clear. If you give money to terrorists, if you try to destroy our allies, if you deliberately inculcate violent institutional hatred for our people in your country, you will be destroyed.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Quote  

so much of the world is willing to turn on Israel for no good reason

Oh, they have good reasons. Several million barrels of them.>>>

 

 

True. And, sadly, we could do away with their influence quickly. We could always drill more for our own oil (the oil fields in the Gulf of Mexico are re-filling and we do't really know why) and import more from Russia and S. America.

 

See how much the Middle East likes life when their ONLY source of income dries up.

 

 

<<<Of course, they're also contemptible, but arguably so are we, albeit to a lesser degree.>>>

 

 

Alas, you are correct.

 

 

<<<I wish our President would declare war on Arabia (I'll go with Mike's change) already. I'd enlist tomorrow.

The message needs to be absolutely clear. If you give money to terrorists, if you try to destroy our allies, if you deliberately inculcate violent institutional hatred for our people in your country, you will be destroyed. >>>

 

 

And Bush having Prince Abdullah visit him in Crawford was terrible. Arabia is NOT our friend---they're an ally of convenience.

 

I consider them in the same book as the USSR during WWII.

                 -=Mike

[Guest Invader3k]

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen....assID=0

 

That link has a rather humorous article concerning the Palestinians and the Jenin "massacre".

[Guest Risk]

Wouldn't it just be easier to conquer the Middle East, steal Iraq's oil, free the people who are opressed, and let them elect their own leaders?  I'm a non denomination Christian, but I don't like Islam and Catholisism.

[Guest DragonflyKid]

http://www.saunalahti.fi/~garon2/bombgame

 

Here's a rather humorous game that some of you may find offensive. My high score is 5 dead, 4 injured.

[Guest Frank Zappa Mask]

<<<That's fine, and if you want to pick sides, then pick a side, but calling for Mecca to be bombed out of petty revenge and a blown-up sense of religious nationalism is about the most ignorant thing I've ever read on this board.  If you honestly believe that some kind of mass slaughter or incredible act of violence is going to solve the situation in the Middle East, then I don't know what to tell you.  It seems like some people here honestly want a Holy War.....

 

Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, right now our primary beef is not with them, at this point I think it would be unwise to bomb Mecca and if we ever have to fight Saudi Arabia, then I hope we avoid bombing it at all costs.  Mecca is a holy place for non-terrorists as well.

 

My frustration is that we've seen Muslims destroy Buddhst statues and desecrate a church that is every bit as holy to Christians as the Mecca is to them.

Their complete and utter disregard for other religions---yet incessant whining that theirs is a "religion of peace" and that they've been treated unfairly, is infuriating.

 

Muslims have already shown blatant disregard for Christianity AND Buddhism.

 

Why in the world SHOULD their religion be given even a shred of "respect"?>>>

 

-It's funny Mike that you are such an intelligent guy, and you lump every Muslim together with terrorists using Islam as a weapon in their agenda of power.  Do you honestly believe every Muslim in the world hates you and what you represent?  Are you that naive to believe that a group of people will share one concrete opinion?  Even if it's a majority, you have to realize that these people are being fed the same bullshit we're being fed to keep us crazy with hate and bloodlust (and there are plenty of examples in this thread) because hate and bloodlust is what makes money in this world.  If you want to play along with this little game, then be my guest.  It would be great if you people in your privelaged positions would show the rest of the world a little more respect, because then the world would show you some respect and not feel it necessary to fling suicide bombers and hijacked airplanes in your direction.  I find it absolutely amazing and indictative of everything I hate about the attitudes of people who blindly support America and Isreal when I see people openly hoping for a Holy War.  Then again, I've said it before: a good Apocalypse now and then is great for cleaning the muck out of the drains.  I'm sure I'll get the same old responses to this, but I'm sick and as unwilling to listen to your same old responses as you are unwilling to listen to anything I say.  All I can say is that you guys claim to be thinking for yourselves here, but are you?  Or are you just spewing back out the information you recieve and preceive to be nothing but the truth?

 

<<<Do I REALLY want to see Mecca bombed?

 

No, because the West is BETTER than the monkeys who feel that suicide bombing and the actions of Palestine are fine>>>

 

-It's hard for me to believe the West is better when the bloodlust is just as intense here.  This thread proves that point very clearly.

[Guest]

Tell me, Chris, have you ever been to the Middle East yourself?

[Guest TheMikeSC]

<<<That's fine, and if you want to pick sides, then pick a side, but calling for Mecca to be bombed out of petty revenge and a blown-up sense of religious nationalism is about the most ignorant thing I've ever read on this board.  If you honestly believe that some kind of mass slaughter or incredible act of violence is going to solve the situation in the Middle East, then I don't know what to tell you.  It seems like some people here honestly want a Holy War.....

 

Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, right now our primary beef is not with them, at this point I think it would be unwise to bomb Mecca and if we ever have to fight Saudi Arabia, then I hope we avoid bombing it at all costs.  Mecca is a holy place for non-terrorists as well.

 

My frustration is that we've seen Muslims destroy Buddhst statues and desecrate a church that is every bit as holy to Christians as the Mecca is to them.

Their complete and utter disregard for other religions---yet incessant whining that theirs is a "religion of peace" and that they've been treated unfairly, is infuriating.

 

Muslims have already shown blatant disregard for Christianity AND Buddhism.

 

Why in the world SHOULD their religion be given even a shred of "respect"?>>>

 

 

-It's funny Mike that you are such an intelligent guy, and you lump every Muslim together with terrorists using Islam as a weapon in their agenda of power.  Do you honestly believe every Muslim in the world hates you and what you represent?>>>

 

 

When people discuss the Crusades and how bad they were, does anybody complain when they criticize Christianity for its role?

 

No, they don't.

 

Why do I lump Muslims together?

 

Because, darn it to heck, Muslims seem very unwilling to flat-out condemn ANYTHING other Muslims do. Just about every atrocity committed by the Muslim church is equivocated away by other Muslims.

 

 

<<Are you that naive to believe that a group of people will share one concrete opinion?  Even if it's a majority, you have to realize that these people are being fed the same bullshit we're being fed to keep us crazy with hate and bloodlust (and there are plenty of examples in this thread) because hate and bloodlust is what makes money in this world.>>>

 

 

Incorrect. We are given both sides of the story. They are not. They're not even given one side, quite frankly.

 

And, honestly, it doesn't matter WHY they think like they do. The fact that they DO is the important issue here. You say not all Palestinians support suicide bombers and Arafat's reign?

 

Then why does NOBODY criticize? There's not even an inkling of an underground anti-Arafat movement in Palestine. It's no different than Nazi Germany. Did ALL Germans support Hitler? No---but the VAST majority of them did until the very end.

 

 

<<<<If you want to play along with this little game, then be my guest.  It would be great if you people in your privelaged positions would show the rest of the world a little more respect, because then the world would show you some respect and not feel it necessary to fling suicide bombers and hijacked airplanes in your direction.>>>

 

 

We've shown those nothing little countries in the Middle East far more respect than they deserve.

 

Do I respect the rest of the world?

 

By and large, no.

 

Then again, what has the rest of the world done to WARRANT respect?

 

 

<<<I find it absolutely amazing and indictative of everything I hate about the attitudes of people who blindly support America and Isreal when I see people openly hoping for a Holy War.>>>

 

 

Not openly hoping---but I'm not blinded to the fact that it seems fairly inevitable at this point. If it has to happen, let it happen now when the Muslims have no hope whatsoever of approaching victory.

 

 

<<<Then again, I've said it before: a good Apocalypse now and then is great for cleaning the muck out of the drains.  I'm sure I'll get the same old responses to this, but I'm sick and as unwilling to listen to your same old responses as you are unwilling to listen to anything I say.  All I can say is that you guys claim to be thinking for yourselves here, but are you?  Or are you just spewing back out the information you recieve and preceive to be nothing but the truth?>>>

 

 

If we were spewing out what the media told us, none of would support Israel.

 

 

<<<Do I REALLY want to see Mecca bombed?

 

No, because the West is BETTER than the monkeys who feel that suicide bombing and the actions of Palestine are fine>>>

 

 

<<<-It's hard for me to believe the West is better when the bloodlust is just as intense here.  This thread proves that point very clearly. >>>

 

 

World of difference between our STATEMENTS of bloodlust and those monkeys ACTS of bloodlust.

                                  -=Mike