Guest converge241 Report post Posted May 2, 2002 getting closer to putting this sorry motherfucker away! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted May 2, 2002 getting closer to putting this sorry motherfucker away! Thats a little harsh don't ya think. Now don't get me wrong, he should get prison time for the reckless manslaugter but they are now charging him with a trumped up charge just so he can get more year and thats crap. "He could face up to 30 years in prison if convicted of first-degree aggravated manslaughter, which was added to the indictment returned Wednesday. The most serious of the previous charges, second-degree reckless manslaughter, carried a maximum penalty of 10 years." He should be facing 10 years max. They KNOW that it was reckless manslaughter, they are just giving him the bigger charge because he is in the spotlight. I wouldn't go as far to call him a sorry mo-fo. I mean, all of the help with the youth in the community, all the jobs that he has created and all the charitable donations that he has made, this mistake doesn't make him a bad person. He got drunk and was showing off and made a BIG mistake. I feel sorry for the family of the man and Jayson should definately see prison time. But 30 freakin years!!!! You are up for parole in 20 years off 2nd degree murder...you're telling me that a person that tired to kill some one deserves to get out before someone that made a stupid ass drunkin mistake? I actually feel sorry for Jayson too. It is a good guy that is now going to have to live the rest of his life knowing what he did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted May 2, 2002 I think the extra time is worth it due to him trying to cover it and not co-operating. I may be a little biased because i didnt like the guy before, but people should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. I wont pretend to know all the nuances of the legal system and if this is considered "making an example" out of him for other celebrities , i Wouldnt agree with that. But id say the normal term for reckless manslaughter and then extra for evasion or whatever they can book for covering it up and trying to get out of it and cause more suffering for the family of the deceased. Based on what youve told me , i think he should get 15 years. I dont think that making it more than that because he is in the spotlight any better than when celebrities get off easy. They are both equally wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted May 2, 2002 I don't see why someone would take such joy in someone going to jail, especially someone that he doesn't know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gthureson Report post Posted May 2, 2002 Maybe because he killed a guy and tried to cover it up and make it look like a suicide? I don't care if he played basketball or not, I'd send him up the river for 15 years for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted May 2, 2002 for the same reason im happy to see a drunk driver who kills an innocent put in jail. Sure im probably getting more amped up about it cause i dont like they guy (Havent met him or anything just dislike him). But if i read this story and talked about it with someone concerning like a local, I would feel the same way. If one of my family members did this and then tried to cover it up, I would feel the same way. For the same reasons im happy to see McDermott not get off on an insanity plea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted May 2, 2002 I think the extra time is worth it due to him trying to cover it and not co-operating. I may be a little biased because i didnt like the guy before, but people should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. I wont pretend to know all the nuances of the legal system and if this is considered "making an example" out of him for other celebrities , i Wouldnt agree with that. But id say the normal term for reckless manslaughter and then extra for evasion or whatever they can book for covering it up and trying to get out of it and cause more suffering for the family of the deceased. Based on what youve told me , i think he should get 15 years. I dont think that making it more than that because he is in the spotlight any better than when celebrities get off easy. They are both equally wrong. Drunk man logic is different than regular man logic. Since he was under the influence of a mind altering substance(alcohol) then they know they can't get any conviction on his actions after the event. They are just filing them to make the charge list longer because it is in the spotlight. And for them to even try to charge with anything besides reckless manslaughter (with the max of 10 years) is ridiculous. It just like they did with the O.J. trial. Instead of making a strong case and charging him with the 2 murders seperatly(which they would do with anyother person) they tried to play the spotlight, and lost thus killing any chance of getting him until they made a bigger mockery of the legal system and basically gave him double jeapody and let him lose the civil trial. A man that should very well be in prison the rest of his life for hiring someone to kill his wife is walking free because prosecutors wanted to play the spotlight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted May 2, 2002 Since he was under the influence of a mind altering substance(alcohol) then they know they can't get any conviction on his actions after the event. how does this factor in for a drunk driving case, for an example? im fairly intelligent but i dont understand some of the exact particulars of the legal system Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted May 2, 2002 don't care if he played basketball or not, I'd send him up the river for 15 years for that. Are you a judge? for the same reason im happy to see a drunk driver who kills an innocent put in jail. Sure im probably getting more amped up about it cause i dont like they guy (Havent met him or anything just dislike him). You seem very, very happy that someone is going to jail. I didn't know that someone who you don't like (and don't know) going to jail was a cause for popping champagne corks. But if i read this story and talked about it with someone concerning like a local, I would feel the same way. If one of my family members did this and then tried to cover it up, I would feel the same way. I seriously doubt that someone from your family going to jail would make you sing a celebratory song, but maybe you have "sorry motherfuckers" in your family. Maybe because he killed a guy and tried to cover it up and make it look like a suicide? I don't care if he played basketball or not, I'd send him up the river for 15 years for that. I'm not condonig his actions and I think he should go to jail for killing somebody (intentionally or unintentionally) but the guy didn't want to go to jail. That's the bottom line. The same reason people leave the scene of accidents, resist arrest and run from the cops. I'm not saying it's right, but who wants to go to jail? I think it was stupid for him to try to cover it up, but I understand why he did it. I don't know if any of you guys knows what jail is like, but I doubt you would like to be plucked from your comfortable homes and placed in jail. I'm not saying I agree with Jason Williams or anyone who would happen to be in a similar situation, but I think it's pretty tacky to celebrate someone being put in jail. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted May 2, 2002 my father has been in jail for years and he deserved it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted May 2, 2002 and btw, the happiness comes from knowing that people who are being sent to jail will ,hopefully, not be doing the same thing again killing/hurting more people. Let me save time by pointing out that yes I know statiscally most people do not reform or change their ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted May 2, 2002 and btw, the happiness comes from knowing that people who are being sent to jail will ,hopefully, not be doing the same thing again killing/hurting more people. Let me save time by pointing out that yes I know statiscally most people do not reform or change their ways. Don't bullshit me. Please don't bullshit me. You said you don't like Jason Williams and you didn't like him before he shot his limo driver. You're not singing because you want to see someone rehabilitated or that he won't be hurting/killing people. You're singing because something bad is going to happen to someone that you don't like. I don't know why you don't like Jason Williams, but I doubt it is over something serious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted May 2, 2002 I even said earlier, sure that adds fuel to it! and it is something stupid! If i wanted to bullshit, i never would have said that... I like Rebecaa Gayheart, but i was mad as hell when she killed that kid while talking on her cellphone. I even put stuff about it in the current events on the yellow board... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted May 2, 2002 This isn't the first time Jayson Williams had acted like a fool around firearms. He almost blew Wayne Chrebets head off a few years back with a Desert Eagle .45. He talks about it in his book. What was the point of giving a tour of his house witha loaded Shotgun? Jayson Williams mad a colossal blunder and now he has to pay for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted May 2, 2002 Since he was under the influence of a mind altering substance(alcohol) then they know they can't get any conviction on his actions after the event. how does this factor in for a drunk driving case, for an example? im fairly intelligent but i dont understand some of the exact particulars of the legal system When someone does something that can be proven to not be of thier character when it pertains to something like hiding evidence, the fact that they were in a mind altered state can be used as a defense and that charge WILL get dropped. The prosecutors know it will. Drunk Driving is a crime in and of it self. you can't use the same standards. It would be like asking "Would they have been driving drunk if not under the influence of alcohol??"...See, that question doesn't even make sence. Now you can ask "Would Mr. Williams have reacted in this manner if he wasn't under the influence of alcohol??" That is what I mean when in cases of tampering with evidence or in cases when a drunk witness doesn't tell who committed a crime, they can't realistically be charged with obstruction because it is reasonable to think that they acted in this manner becasue they were in a mind altered state. Jeebus..even I'm confused now.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted May 2, 2002 sorry! i really wasnt trying to be a jerk..i just meant (as an extreme example) say for anything a drunk driver would do after the accident, still being inebrated. its no biggie, just curious..you pretty much explained it in your opening there.. the sports forum has turned into current events!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted May 2, 2002 Well basically they will get him for public intoxication which is nothing more than a fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gthureson Report post Posted May 3, 2002 I'm not condonig his actions and I think he should go to jail for killing somebody (intentionally or unintentionally) but the guy didn't want to go to jail. That's the bottom line. I don't know if any of you guys knows what jail is like, but I doubt you would like to be plucked from your comfortable homes and placed in jail. So he didn't want to go to jail. Poor guy. Should have thought of that before he KILLED A GUY. And then gone through the effort to try and make it look like the guy shot himself. And got his friends to go along with the plan. I've done time. Not a whole lot, but I've been convicted of a felony and done 'real' jail time. No, its not fun. But part of being a man is owning up to your own actions. Really, that is the only responsibility anybody has in the world that means anything. And he fell short. Time to pay the piper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted May 3, 2002 I don't have any sympathy for Williams, though I'll stop short of calling him a "sorry motherfucker." He made this particular bed, and now he has to lie in it. Of course he doesn't want to go to jail, but that's where you go when you carelessly shoot someone and then try to cover it up. Maybe I'm just a hard-ass when it comes to crime and punishment, but I'd throw the book at him and go after his buddies for conspiracy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted May 3, 2002 Thats just the point...they aren't gonna get him on the conspiracy charges...they are just wasting time there. Any half compentant lawyer will get him off there, and I'm guessing his lawyers will be a little more than competant. He has made his bed, and he will have to lie, but they are charging him with a trumped up charge and they know it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted May 3, 2002 I am not sure how long he spent trying to cover up the shooting, so I don't know if he was drunk during that whole ordeal. In my opinion, the guy had to be drunk to come up with such a dumbass idea though. I'm not giving the guy sympathy and I think he should go to jail. I think it's a shme that he did something so stupid, but he did it and has to pay for his crime. Unless anyone on this board was directly affected by the shooting, I don't think people should be rejoicing that he's going to jail. The title of this thread is a celebratory one. The only thing I really took exception to was the rejoicing tone and calling him a "sorry motherfucker." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
