Guest justcoz Report post Posted May 3, 2002 I know nobody wants the title on Hogan but I've become a fan again. First, I think Hogan, on an ego level, knows his role in the current product. I think he knows that he's being given one last send off and I think he appreciates what guys like The Rock, Jericho and Triple H have done for him. I also think he's trying in the ring. Yes, he looks terrible at times. He's slow and painful looking but he's trying! He worked with Jericho tonight to the best of his ability. The same thing for his matches with Rock and HHH. People can knock it but I was impressed with the Jericho match and I was impressed with Hogan! He knows that part of his role right now is making the "next generation" look good and the way Hogan and Jericho was booked tonight was brilliant. The Hogan title run is not preventing the other guys from getting over and moving to the next level. If anything, it's going to help them get there quicker... And for those of you crying because Hogan isn't coming out to Real American, I DON'T WANT IT! The Voodoo Child entrence makes me mark out! The lighting effects when he enters the ring and plays to the crowd. His bows to the crowd as he walks up the steps. Mouthing the lyrics when he walks to the ring. Hogan may be decked out in the red and yellow at Vince's request but he's coming out of it looking cool. Voodoo Child is Terry Bolea and that needs to be seen in Hulk Hogan. That's the shit he was listening to growing up. To drop it for Real American, even a Kid Rock *UGH* remake, would be terrible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 3, 2002 I don't know if I agree with you about Real American, because something tells me that I would completely mark out if he came out to it again, but I do agree with you about the Hogan Jericho match. Hogan sold all of Jericho's offense very well, and looked like he was genuinly trying. In the end, that's all you can ask for. His title run isn't going to last long anyway, and as long as he tries to have matches like this, then I can completely justify the WWF giving the title to him for this last run Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted May 3, 2002 You should wait until they are ready to have Hogan lose the belt and see how he handles it before calling him a "changed man". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted May 3, 2002 Hogan's last match should be against Jericho, because I am convinced after tonight that Jericho can give him a match that is respectible enough to be a last match. I don't like it when Hogan tries to be cool, the boa, the voodoo child (though it *is* a great theme). I mean, he's hulk frikken hogan, that's all he needs to be. It's sort of like the Simpsons in that now they are trying to be cool, when before they were cool. The way I sees it, Hogans Wwf tenure should go like this. Beats taker at JD Feuds with Austin till KOTR (the most fitting PPV if I ever saw one: Hogans last Wwf match and where Austin 3:16 was born) and loses to Austin. Goes Away for a few weeks, Jericho starts to talk trash. Hogan vs. Jericho at Fully Loaded (or whatever that ppv is). Hogan loses. Hogan puts his career on the line at Summerslam, Jericho wins, Hogan retires. Basically its the foley treatment, and it worked for Hunter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest evenflowDDT Report post Posted May 3, 2002 Basically its the foley treatment, and it worked for Hunter. Didn't Foley make several unnecessary "pissing away his glory" short comebacks when the WWF was hard up for ratings? Isn't Hogan notorious for making such unnecessary comebacks last a long time? I'm actually interested to see Hogan lose the title because I've read up on how smarks say he reacted and what he did when he lost it in the past, and now I can see for myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest papacita Report post Posted May 3, 2002 Um...Foley had one last match and a couple commish roles. I hardly call that pissing away your glory. As far as Hogan...as much as I hate the man, I'll give it to him. He does seem to be working. And even I hafta smile when Voodoo Child hits and he struts out to the ring. Screw Real American! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 3, 2002 Hogan's last match should be against Jericho, because I am convinced after tonight that Jericho can give him a match that is respectible enough to be a last match. That is what the match SHOULD be...but there is no denying that Jericho's impact on TV has been toned down greatly over the past month or so... Also, one must take into considering MONEY, which is what the WWF wants to make, quality entertainment or BIG Names against BIG names = MONEY. And although every smark alive orgasims every damn time Jericho hits a moonsault, or whatever, it would be foolish to think that as a LAST MATCH for Hogan, JERICHO would be used...because Jericho doesn't draw as much as other names... Triple H - Hulkster has been done, proved to be..so-so, Rock-Hogan has been done, although it was THAT bloody good on a mark out scale that it is inevitable that it be repeated later, the final big name left is Steve Austin, which has yet to be even teased at... So we have either a Re-Match with the Rock or an 'Attitude meets Tradition' confrontation between Steve Austin and Hulk Hogan. PERSONALLY, i'd like to see Austin-Hogan as a send of for Hulk Nostalgia as they both are very talented when it comes to hyping up the crowd...and a one on one match could set the fans on fire, quite literally! As much as i HATE to admit it, my money is on Hogan for Judgement Day...SORRY MARK! This has been a depressed Taker Mark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted May 3, 2002 Sorry but Hogan trying doesn't mean the match is entertaining. El is exactly right. Hogan needs to put guy over before anyone can say he know's his role. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest evenflowDDT Report post Posted May 3, 2002 Um...Foley had one last match and a couple commish roles. I hardly call that pissing away your glory. Forgot about the last match, and his first commish role was all right from what I read about it, but the later commish that I saw him as was tossed together at the last minute to try and get heat for Foley's book and the latter half of the failed inVasion angle. From what I've read and seen of Foley, that simply didn't do him any justice at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted May 3, 2002 I don't see why Angle or Jericho can't be allowed to get the rub from Hogan. Hey, I know Austin/Hogan is pretty much the last big money match-up left, but why can't Hogan put over someone who needs rather than the Big 3 who have been credible ever since 98/99? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RicFlairGlory Report post Posted May 3, 2002 Fuck most of you. Austin REFUSES TO WORK WITH HOGAN nobody seems to get this... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 3, 2002 Hogan is full of shit. He dosen't give 2 shits about the newer talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nater Report post Posted May 3, 2002 I never wanna see a pin in a Taker vs Hogan match.. would take away from the "Taker could kill Hogan/Hogan rules Taker" thing.. like Batman vs Spiderman. When Hogan does lose.. Jericho. Austin vs Hogan would be interesting.. but look at Austin's past, not gonna work out. Austin isnt jobbing to Hogan and it wouldnt be right for him to win since hes only got a few years left himself. (hogan is probably on his last or next to last and yes.. thats 5 too many) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest griffinmills Report post Posted May 3, 2002 Fuck most of you. Austin REFUSES TO WORK WITH HOGAN nobody seems to get this... What does this mean? You mean "fuck them" for conjecturing on a Hogan/Austin match? "Fuck" Austin for refusing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 3, 2002 Fuck most of you. Austin REFUSES TO WORK WITH HOGAN nobody seems to get this... Oh..silly of US simple minded fools to argue with someone who obviously KNOWS Austin personally...**cough** This has been the Taker Mark (Who does not personally know Steve Austin) P.S Contracts mean something don't they? Doesn't it state somewhere in one's contract that you have the responsibility to listen to your booker, within reason? Im sure Austin would work with Hogan, think of the pay-off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mystery Eskimo Report post Posted May 3, 2002 I'm sure if Austin is given the choice between main eventing vs Hogan or being 3 matches down against Big Show, he'll be more willing to work with Hulk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted May 3, 2002 I was glad i actually watched the show for myself as the taping reports made it sound awful. I agree Hogan gave some effort and it was decent for what it was.. the worst part was HHH's commentary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Report post Posted May 3, 2002 And although every smark alive orgasims every damn time Jericho hits a moonsault, or whatever, it would be foolish to think that as a LAST MATCH for Hogan, JERICHO would be used...because Jericho doesn't draw as much as other names... Yes Jericho isn't a big name yet. But the WWF could make him one. Everyone says Jericho doesn't have the "star power" well it's all up to the WWF to give it to him. A win over Hogan, a CLEAN win, or even tainted just as long as it isn't "belt shot, chair shot, 80 people run in, nut shot, feet on ropes" like every match that killed his cred as champ was then he would be catapulted. The matches with Austin and Rock did nothing to help him because yes I know "HEELS CHEAT" but they don't do EVERY single illegal thing to win.....so yes a semi-clean win over Hogan would make help Jericho a lot and give him that "star power" especially if he goes around telling everyone he killed Hulkamania. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mastermind Report post Posted May 3, 2002 I agree I thought Jericho made Hogan look good and yes Hogan did put some effort. Seriously though the guy needs to retire. I'm a big Hogan mark, but he just looks broken down. Did you see when Jericho hit him with the chair and how slow he fell to the mat? This is how it should go and I've been saying it since he returned. Austin vs. Hogan to see who is the GREATEST WWF CHAMPION OF THEM ALL? I mean JR keeps saying Austin is the greatest in terms of selling merchandise and Hogan in terms of selling tickets. We all know wrestling wise who is better, but both are excellent for working a crowd. Who is the TRUE KING OF THE RING at KOR. Austin wins the championship and holds it until facing Goldberg at WrestleMania(Now these two matches are kind of wishy washy, but still they are MONEY). Kurt Angle vs. Hulk Hogan is a true dream match. Real American Olympic hero against the Real American wrestling champion of the 80's. If anything that is where Real American should be brought back. I say at SummerSlam and Hogan rides off into the sunset. Anything more and the wwf is asking for Hulkamania backlash. As for Taker/Hulk I agree with the poster it's like Spidey vs. Batman. I actually watched the two matches from '91. It's amazing how much wrestling has changed, but still stayed the same. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Big Poppa Popick Report post Posted May 3, 2002 Jericho pinning Hogan would lend credence to his living legend moniker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted May 3, 2002 I agree I thought Jericho made Hogan look good and yes Hogan did put some effort. Seriously though the guy needs to retire. I'm a big Hogan mark, but he just looks broken down. Did you see when Jericho hit him with the chair and how slow he fell to the mat? This is how it should go and I've been saying it since he returned. Austin vs. Hogan to see who is the GREATEST WWF CHAMPION OF THEM ALL? I mean JR keeps saying Austin is the greatest in terms of selling merchandise and Hogan in terms of selling tickets. We all know wrestling wise who is better, but both are excellent for working a crowd. Who is the TRUE KING OF THE RING at KOR. Austin wins the championship and holds it until facing Goldberg at WrestleMania(Now these two matches are kind of wishy washy, but still they are MONEY). Kurt Angle vs. Hulk Hogan is a true dream match. Real American Olympic hero against the Real American wrestling champion of the 80's. If anything that is where Real American should be brought back. I say at SummerSlam and Hogan rides off into the sunset. Anything more and the wwf is asking for Hulkamania backlash. As for Taker/Hulk I agree with the poster it's like Spidey vs. Batman. I actually watched the two matches from '91. It's amazing how much wrestling has changed, but still stayed the same. The WWF is already suffering a Hulkamania Backlash. The fans in the crowd are cheering and saying "Thank you for the shitty matches". The fans at home are turning their channels when Hogan's on. altwrestling.net has an interesting article on it. As for Hogans title reign, he drops the belt at Judgment Day with Trips or Taker pinning Jericho in some convoluted 4 way. And I'll be surprised if Hogan is still around by Summerslam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 3, 2002 Fuck most of you. Austin REFUSES TO WORK WITH HOGAN nobody seems to get this... Oh really? Have you talked to Austin personally to get this? Oh wait... I know, you're one of those internet marks that I've talked about in the past... the ones that think they know everything when they know... SHIT Read the Torch interview I posted a few weeks back jackass. Austin complains about Hogan being brought in to the WCW because he was skeptical of being a draw. HOWEVER, he says he has no bad feelings towards the guy and respects him. Just because Paul Heyman encouraged Austin to do some Hogan imitations on his programming, doesn't mean the guy literally hates Hogan. GET A CLUE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted May 3, 2002 I agree with every statment you made justcoz, especially about the Voodoo Child entrance music. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted May 3, 2002 Read the Torch interview I posted a few weeks back jackass. Austin complains about Hogan being brought in to the WCW because he was skeptical of being a draw. HOWEVER, he says he has no bad feelings towards the guy and respects him. Just because Paul Heyman encouraged Austin to do some Hogan imitations on his programming, doesn't mean the guy literally hates Hogan. i agree. i mean didnt Austin theoretically have more heat with Flair? and they work together... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted May 3, 2002 why would Austin have heat with Flair? Flair's the one that was grooming Austin to be the next big star when the orange devil came in screwing up everything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted May 3, 2002 Hogan trying doesn't mean that what he does is good. I'm no Jericho fan, but Jericho earned some respect from me yesterday. He carried Hogan and did all of the little things well (tearing up the barricade, pantomining stroking the belt around his waist). Hogan may have tried, but without someone to carry him, his trying doesn't mean shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 3, 2002 why would Austin have heat with Flair? Flair's the one that was grooming Austin to be the next big star when the orange devil came in screwing up everything. I always hear about this on only this board. I've never heard or read about it, anywhere else. Has Austin or Flair ever said that during a interview or something? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest papacita Report post Posted May 3, 2002 I've read it a few places in the past. I was a big fan of WCW back then, and I actually remember them building towards an Austin/Flair feud since Austin won the U.S. Title, but a lot of that talk died down once Hogan came in and ruined the fed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 3, 2002 I've read it a few places in the past. I was a big fan of WCW back then, and I actually remember them building towards an Austin/Flair feud since Austin won the U.S. Title, but a lot of that talk died down once Hogan came in and ruined the fed. I concur. I've heard this as well. I don't know if it's true, but I've read it, I just don't know where. I know Flair and Austin worked together on several occassions and that Flair was a fan of Austin's work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 4, 2002 Kind of off-topic, but has anyone noticed that EVERY time during Hogan's entrace he always starts singing the lyrics and doing his "chop" motion about 15 seconds earlier than the lyrics begin? I mean you think he'd know the song by now... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
