2GOLD 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 On the other side though, this means good things for Utah as it will knock them into the top 5 (win providing) and possibly even top 3 if Auburn loses Not entirely good...the win over A&M is meaning less and less by the week. They could get knocked down by the computers because of this. They should still be in the top 6, because they'll move up to 9th or 8th in the polls, but I wouldn't count on them being any higher than 6th when the new standings come out tomorrow. Yeah, but North Carolina just knocked off Miami who Utah slammed on the 16th. The A&M loss hurts, but the NC win helps as well. My chaos is still there, but collapsing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Well, I was just referring to the regular polls, not the stupid goddamn BCS poll that worries about the performance your opponent's opponent's opponent's ex-coach's father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Can someone explain to me why WSU went for that onside kick at the very beginning of the game? Anyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Can someone explain to me why WSU went for that onside kick at the very beginning of the game? Anyone? Element of surprise. I mean, why not go for it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Can someone explain to me why WSU went for that onside kick at the very beginning of the game? Anyone? Element of surprise. I mean, why not go for it? *watches replay of Reggie Bush running wild on that first drive* Hmmm....... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 31, 2004 If Auburn doesn't make it to the title game if they're undefeated, it shows the single biggest problem with the BCS: Pre-season polls. It's hard to take anything seriously where guesses before the season can actually prevent a team from having a shot at the national title. It nearly killed LSU last year and it is hurting Auburn this year. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Well looks like Miami dropped to 10 in one poll and out of the Top 10 in another poll. OSU and Texas A&M remain ranked in the Top 25 although OSU is higher now. And Texas has moved up two spots. So wait a minute. OSU/A&M/Texas all have to play each other. And they could all beat the hell out of each other and cause them all to drop out of the Top 25. Would that cause people to say that OU hasn't beaten ANYBODY in the Top 25? Because that'd be kind of crappy since you have 3 ranked teams all pounding it out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Well looks like Miami dropped to 10 in one poll and out of the Top 10 in another poll. OSU and Texas A&M remain ranked in the Top 25 although OSU is higher now. And Texas has moved up two spots. So wait a minute. OSU/A&M/Texas all have to play each other. And they could all beat the hell out of each other and cause them all to drop out of the Top 25. Would that cause people to say that OU hasn't beaten ANYBODY in the Top 25? Because that'd be kind of crappy since you have 3 ranked teams all pounding it out. Texas hasn't played anybody. A & M lost to Baylor and haven't played anybody worth a damn. Sorry, but your Big XII is not significantly better than the Big East. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Texas hasn't played anybody. A & M lost to Baylor and haven't played anybody worth a damn. Sorry, but your Big XII is not significantly better than the Big East. -=Mike Dama: "OMG U DON'T LYKE OU!!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Texas hasn't played anybody. A & M lost to Baylor and haven't played anybody worth a damn. Sorry, but your Big XII is not significantly better than the Big East. -=Mike Dama: "OMG U DON'T LYKE OU!!" Which, sadly, would also be quite accurate. Fortunately, I have fact on my side with this. Though I didn't loathe them until recently... -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slayer 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Just reminding you that there's a more level headed Big XII guy hanging around here (namely, me) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 And on top of that the Big XII is better than the Big East. Oh and nice job trolling and flamebaiting there. You guys bitch and moan about me then you encourage it. Real smart there dumbass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 31, 2004 And on top of that the Big XII is better than the Big East. Oh and nice job trolling and flamebaiting there. You guys bitch and moan about me then you encourage it. Real smart there dumbass. How so? One dominant team and a collection of slugs. Oh and nice job trolling and flamebaiting there. You guys bitch and moan about me then you encourage it. Real smart there dumbass. Every post you make is trolling and flamebaiting, Dama. Every single one. It's either "The world hates OU" or similar bullshit. It's not like I'm the first to recognize this. Folks in glass houses...bah, you know the rest. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Double post because you're twice as annoying... -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Yeah and that one dominant team is one of the if not the best in the country. Big East doesn't have that. It's funny b/c you guys act as if OU is no good when last year was really the only time they've run into a post season stumbling block since Bob Stoops took over. They are a good team ya know. And no I'm actually not trolling or flamebaiting b/c I'm not intending to get a reaction out of anyone. I don't want you guys to freak out and act like douche bags everytime I post about OU. But you all have zero respect for them and seem to think they should be ranked in the bottom of the country with some of your posts. I'd put them up against anyone in the Top 10 and 9 times out of 10 they'd win. Just wait until the Orange Bowl. It'll be settled then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Nah, the Big XII has one dominant team, three decent teams, and a collection of slugs. Meanwhile, the Big East has one decent team, and a collection of slugs. There is a difference. However, Damaramu can't use the logic that it's not fair if the teams from his conference beat up on each other when the same thing happens in every conference in the country. It also happens to a much greater degree in conferences like the SEC where Georgia, Tennessee, LSU, Florida, Auburn, South Carolina, and maybe even Alabama are all good enough to be ranked without getting "beat up" by the other members of their conference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 I'm not saying that. I'm saying OU winning against those 3 teams shouldn't mean less when the rest of the conference is pounding on each other. Just like it shouldn't mean less in any other conference. If the conference is good and each team is taking one another to town then it wouldn't be fair to penalize OU for beating those teams b/c they don't have an 8-1 record or whatever. Oh and the Big XII has one Top 2 team and 3 Top 25 teams then a colleciton of slugs. About on the same level as the Pac 10. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Yeah and that one dominant team is one of the if not the best in the country. Big East doesn't have that. It's funny b/c you guys act as if OU is no good when last year was really the only time they've run into a post season stumbling block since Bob Stoops took over. They are a good team ya know. . Who has said OU sucked? I didn't say that --- just that I want to see them lose as I would find your on-line suicide to be rather entertaining. They are good, just worse than USC, Auburn, and probably Georgia. And no I'm actually not trolling or flamebaiting b/c I'm not intending to get a reaction out of anyone Nor was I. Just commenting that the Big XII and the Big East are a little hard to distinguish, considering the sheer level of suck involved in both. Oh, and that you can make people hate Oklahoma. With a passion. I don't want you guys to freak out and act like douche bags everytime I post about OU. But you all have zero respect for them and seem to think they should be ranked in the bottom of the country with some of your posts. I'd put them up against anyone in the Top 10 and 9 times out of 10 they'd win. Just wait until the Orange Bowl. It'll be settled then. Jesus Christ, why don't you just cut and paste your posts, since your comments have nothing to do with reality, yet say the same thing every damned time? It'd save you time, at the bare minimum. However, Damaramu can't use the logic that it's not fair if the teams from his conference beat up on each other when the same thing happens in every conference in the country. It also happens to a much greater degree in conferences like the SEC where Georgia, Tennessee, LSU, Florida, Auburn, South Carolina, and maybe even Alabama are all good enough to be ranked without getting "beat up" by the other members of their conference. It's even worse for the SEC, since their teams get underrated in the pre-season poll, while OU gets overrated, and it ends up hurting them. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 OU overrated? Hmm.....wonder what would've happened in the post season last year if there QB didn't have a broken hand and foot and bad knees? It would've been a different story that's for sure. They would've rolled like they did in the regular season. Worse than Georgia? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That was funny. They're the legit #2 in the country and at the Orange Bowl we'll find out if they're the legit #1 or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Oh and the Big XII has one Top 2 team and 3 Top 25 teams then a colleciton of slugs. About on the same level as the Pac 10. Not really, you could even make an argument that the Pac Ten has two top 2 teams right now in USC and Cal. And as for a collection of slugs? UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, and Oregon State are all decent teams. The Pac Ten has three slugs out of ten, whereas the Big XII has seven out of twelve. When over half the teams in your conference are "slugs", you know you have a problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 31, 2004 OU overrated? It would've been a different story that's for sure. They would've rolled like they did in the regular season. Very much so. Hmm.....wonder what would've happened in the post season last year if there QB didn't have a broken hand and foot and bad knees? And the moment BCS includes the all-important "hypotheticals" component to their formula, it will be a bigger joke than it currently is. Worse than Georgia? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That was funny. They're worse than Georgia. Worse than Cal. Worse than Auburn. Worse than Tennessee --- yes, worse than Tennessee. Worse than USC. They're top 10 --- but they should not be national title contenders. They're the legit #2 in the country and at the Orange Bowl we'll find out if they're the legit #1 or not. If they're there, then it's 2 straight undeserved national title shots for them, allowing them to replace Notre Dame as the most overrated program in the country. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 And what exactly do you propose OU does about it? File with the NCAA to join the SEC? They can't really help the conference they play in. And the Big XII is usually on the level with the SEC but in the past 2 years it's gone down. Still there's not much that OU can do about the conference they play in. But they do play good teams and they WIN. There is a reason they are 8-0. Most teams would've folded up after what happened in Stillwater but they didn't. Most teams wouldn't know what to do if there running attack was totally shut down but wait OU has one of the top QB's in the country to fight back with. The problem is that they're dangerous on offense and defense and that's why they're #2. They haven't had a game yet where everything was clicking together. But I can gurantee that they will have it all clicking in the Orange Bowl. So just wait for the Orange Bowl. If OU remains undefeated they will go the Orange Bowl to play USC. And when that happens we'll find out who #1 is. Just wait for that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 And how can you justify that collection of teams being better than them? Now you're just being an irrational moron trying to troll me and get a reaction. You're being very petty and childish. Yes you are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 31, 2004 And what exactly do you propose OU does about it? File with the NCAA to join the SEC? I don't fault OU. I fault the shitty system for giving them these gifts. They can't really help the conference they play in. And the Big XII is usually on the level with the SEC but in the past 2 years it's gone down. The SEC has pretty well avoided these "down years" for a long while now. Still there's not much that OU can do about the conference they play in. But they do play good teams and they WIN. Such as? There is a reason they are 8-0. Mediocre teams on your schedule will do that for you. Most teams would've folded up after what happened in Stillwater but they didn't. Cal, Auburn, USC, and Georgia wouldn't have been in that situation. Most teams wouldn't know what to do if there running attack was totally shut down but wait OU has one of the top QB's in the country to fight back with. Wow, all that talent and they barely beat OSU. I won't even mention their game with KSU. The problem is that they're dangerous on offense and defense and that's why they're #2. Nah, it's more like a gift schedule and the preseason polls being fervently supportive of them. They haven't had a game yet where everything was clicking together. But I can gurantee that they will have it all clicking in the Orange Bowl. So just wait for the Orange Bowl. If OU remains undefeated they will go the Orange Bowl to play USC. And when that happens we'll find out who #1 is. Just wait for that. And if Auburn is undefeated and not in it, then the BCS can lick my ass as OU would have, yet again, taken the place of a more deserving team. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 They're worse than Georgia. Worse than Cal. Worse than Auburn. Worse than Tennessee --- yes, worse than Tennessee. Worse than USC. They're top 10 --- but they should not be national title contenders. Don't push it too far Mike. Auburn was extremely lucky to get a bad call to beat LSU, and the Tennessee win's the only really good one that they have. Also, their non-conference slate is worse than pretty much any Big XII team, playing Louisiana Monroe, the Citadel, and Louisiana Tech. If they beat Georgia, then you can say that they deserve to take OU's spot at #2. But for now, Oklahoma deserves the two spot. Just because they play in the fifth best conference in the country, doesn't mean it's impossible for them to be #2 midway through the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 31, 2004 They're worse than Georgia. Worse than Cal. Worse than Auburn. Worse than Tennessee --- yes, worse than Tennessee. Worse than USC. They're top 10 --- but they should not be national title contenders. Don't push it too far Mike. Auburn was extremely lucky to get a bad call to beat LSU, and the Tennessee win's the only really good one that they have. Also, their non-conference slate is worse than pretty much any Big XII team, playing Louisiana Monroe, the Citadel, and Louisiana Tech. If they beat Georgia, then you can say that they deserve to take OU's spot at #2. But for now, Oklahoma deserves the two spot. Just because they play in the fifth best conference in the country, doesn't mean it's impossible for them to be #2 midway through the season. Auburn plays better teams than OU. They're hurt because the pre-season guesses had them lower than OU. OU has played nobody. Texas is one insanely mediocre squad. Auburn has beaten LSU --- who would beat Texas, Tennessee (who is quite good), and their game with Georgia will be huge. They beat Ole Miss who has suddenly turned into an effective offensive team. OU has done little to show themselves as being a national title contender. -=Mik Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Texas is on par with Tennessee, and OU and Auburn were similarly dominant against them. Meanwhile OSU and LSU aren't that far apart right now, as the Tigers have looked weak against the likes of Oregon State and Troy. Oklahoma was on the road, and while they needed a missed kick to avoid overtime, that's a lot better than needing a shitty made up call at home. If Auburn does beat Georgia and win the SEC Championship game, they'll obviously deserve to be in the Orange Bowl, but for now, they haven't done anything more impressive than Oklahoma has. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 You're acting like OSU is a nobody. Not true at all. OSU is a legit Top 25 team and I would put them on the level with LSU with what LSU has shown this year. OU has beaten Texas and has beaten OSU which are very good teams. You asked who they've beaten that's good. There you go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Texas is on par with Tennessee, and OU and Auburn were similarly dominant against them. Meanwhile OSU and LSU aren't that far apart right now, as the Tigers have looked weak against the likes of Oregon State and Troy. Oklahoma was on the road, and while they needed a missed kick to avoid overtime, that's a lot better than needing a shitty made up call at home. If Auburn does beat Georgia and win the SEC Championship game, they'll obviously deserve to be in the Orange Bowl, but for now, they haven't done anything more impressive than Oklahoma has. At least there's someone that isn't a fan of OU here that has common sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 31, 2004 Texas is on par with Tennessee, and OU and Auburn were similarly dominant against them. I'll actually disagree vehemently. Tennessee is a damned good team, far better than Texas has been for a while now. They have a terrific offense, a solid defense, and are coached brilliantly (even though their coach is a total prick). Meanwhile OSU and LSU aren't that far apart right now, as the Tigers have looked weak against the likes of Oregon State and Troy. Troy makes EVERYBODY look weak. They are a team that does not get handled easily by anybody. I doubt Texas could beat them by more than a FG. Oklahoma was on the road, and while they needed a missed kick to avoid overtime, that's a lot better than needing a shitty made up call at home. I'm not saying LSU is better than OU this year --- they have no QB to speak of. If Auburn does beat Georgia and win the SEC Championship game, they'll obviously deserve to be in the Orange Bowl, but for now, they haven't done anything more impressive than Oklahoma has. And if everything stays the same, they won't be in the slot. Because, before the season, people thought they'd not be as good as they are. The win over Tennessee is more impressive than anything OU has done. You're acting like OSU is a nobody. Not true at all. OSU is a legit Top 25 team and I would put them on the level with LSU with what LSU has shown this year. OU has beaten Texas and has beaten OSU which are very good teams. You asked who they've beaten that's good. There you go. Texas is crap. Plain and simple. OSU is a good, but not close to great, team. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
