Abortion

[Guest Risk]

Lets discuss abortion.  What are everyone's opinions on this?  Are you pro-life or pro-choice?  Give reasons if you wish.  This IS a debate.  Name calling and insults are not tolerated in a serious debate, they will not be here either.  Respect everyone's opinion and side.  With that said, carry on.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

pro-choice under certain conditions. if the baby is a product of rape, than the mother should have the choice. If the birth could cause death of the mother or baby than the mother should have the choice. If the baby is going to be born deformed/handicapped the mother should have a choice.

 

Abortion shouldn't be allowed unless there is a good reason. If some woman got pregnant because she's cheating on her husband that's not good enough for an abortion.

 

Idealy abortions should be dealt with on a case by case basis. Abortion will happen wether it's legal or not and if it's not legal than it's more dangerous for the mother and baby.

[Guest Risk]

I'd have to take the Pro-Life stance.  However, this would only apply to two parties in a commited relationship or a broken relationship.  Rape and death of the mother are the ONLY cases when a baby should be removed, IMO.  For instance, say you are in a relationship, you are a female, you are pregnant, and your boyfriend breaks up with you.

 

I would take the Pro-Life stance here.  Howver, I also think we should have HIGHER child support payments.  I also think fathers deserve more say in whether an unwanted child is killed.

[Guest TJH]

It is not up to society to dictate whether it is allowed or not. People should have a choice.

[Guest Risk]

I agree somewhat with that statement.  I just think a male in a commited relationship should have the right to choose also.  I believe the biggest crimes are the crimes which take away freedom, I think potencial children should have at least some freedom.  Here is an interesting article.

 

http://www.gargaro.com/libforlife.html

[Guest converge241]

allright, this might sound a little confusing but ill try:

 

I am very against the concept itself. I think it is a life and you are ending it. My belief is that there are too many people who would want kids and that adoption should be looked at as an alternative.

 

That being said, i am in fact pro-choice. I as a man shouldnt have any say in what someone does in realtion to this. the only time I would get involved is if it was my kid..i would do everything i legally could to prevent this from happening.

 

this topic comes up a lot as my wife works in a planned parenthood clinic. I must say that i think the activists who bomb and kill because they think abortion is wrong is 100 times worse than abortion.

[Guest]

Nicely said, converge. Ditto you and TJH. I don't like abortion either - no one does - but I think the certain harms of making it illegal far outweigh the uncertain benefits.

[Guest RetroRob215]

I'm Pro-Choice, we, well, some of us live in America and as Americans we earned the right to make our own decisions whether they be good or bad.  Personally, if I impregnated a woman, I would not want her to abort because it's my kid, but I still think other people should have to right to abort if they want to.

[Guest converge241]

surprisingly, not too much debate as of yet.. most of us seem to share the same sentiments.

[Guest Some Guy]

I'm Pro-Choice but think that there has to be limits and on how many a women can have and under no circumstances should the government pay for it.  I don't think there is as many people who want to adopt children as some think and the ones that do have to go through a very difficult testing period before they can adopt anyway so a lot tend to adopt foriegn kids.  

 

I also feel that the father should have some input, but I realize that it is the women's choice in the end.  Resonibility for your actions should be taught in school and abortion should be portrayed as a last resort and something to be at least somewhat ashamed of (except in cases of rape, incest, and the possible death of the mother).

 

To add to my feelings on the father having more input into the choice of abortion I would allow the man to sign a document that would severly lessen the his finacial burden of providing for the child if the women has the child despite his wishes for an abortion.  

That might spark a debate.

[Guest Choken One]

I don't agree with the act of Abortion but I am a Pro-choice supporter.

 

Ideally, Abortion would only be an issue in cases of Rape and Death. However, I don't agree with people having this procedure "just because".  It's a situation that is extreamly case by case and it's not our decision to make on other people's life.

[Guest]

abortion should be portrayed as a last resort and something to be at least somewhat ashamed of (except in cases of rape, incest, and the possible death of the mother).

I disagree with that last bit. It should be a last resort, yes, but why should we deliberately try to make it shameful? First of all, it's seen that way already; second, if this attitude is perpetuated and even enhanced, it would mean that even those exceptions you cite would be seen by anyone who doesn't know them as "shamed" women. Really, I find that extremely disturbing to contemplate, let alone advocate. Rape and incest are also seen as extremely shameful - for the victim. And how would you defend yourself if you were a woman and had an abortion for one of those reasons? "But you don't understand, I was raped by my father?" Not really dinner-table small-talk, is it? Nor is it much of a vindication by current societal standards.

 

And about adoption - I think it's sort of awful that having a kid costs nothing but a willing partner of the opposite sex, but adoption now costs upwards of $50,000, and you need to submit to a pretty thorough background check. Either that should be eliminated, or people who have kids themselves should be forced to go through it as well. Personally, I lean towards the latter option. It disgusts me that people can have children just to increase the size of a welfare check, or to validate themselves as "real women." If you're unsure about your identity, you aren't going to find the answer by having a child. You're probably the last person who should have one.

[Guest netslob]

if i were to chose between one or the other, i'd chose Pro-Choice.  it is up to the WOMAN, simply because men cannot become pregnant, therefore cannot have abortions.  therefore, they have no right to tell any women, even if they are the father, what to do with the fetus.  it's the woman' choice.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

surprisingly, not too much debate as of yet.. most of us seem to share the same sentiments. >>>

 

 

Debating this is pointless. Why waste the time and effort?

                     -=Mike

[Guest RetroRob215]

For the same reason you started the "Just Some News" thread...we're bored....or at least I am.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

Wasn't there some thread a few days ago that erupted into an abotion debate?

[Guest]

Yeah, but it degenerated pretty fast.

[Guest Risk]

You know what?  There is no right or wrong in this situation.  Too bad humans aren't more like animals, then we wouldn't have this problem.  I wonder why animals don't worry about rape or incest...

[Guest DrTom]

"I wonder why animals don't worry about rape or incest... "

 

Because they lack both a rigid family structure and a conscience.

[Guest Risk]

True.  But some primates have sex for fun and kill animals for fun.  Some primates also have a taboo about mating with their mother.  Weird.

[Guest Ripper]

if i were to chose between one or the other, i'd chose Pro-Choice.  it is up to the WOMAN, simply because men cannot become pregnant, therefore cannot have abortions.  therefore, they have no right to tell any women, even if they are the father, what to do with the fetus.  it's the woman' choice.

I have to disagree here. If a man is the father he has just as much right to help determine the right of the child to live.  If the woman decides to have the child, is he not held responsible for care to the child too(through monetary or being there)??  Then why would he not have any say?? Why would it all be up to the woman.  Because its her body.  Well, he is putting changing his life just like her...she just has to go through 9 months of something that men will never understand.  From the moment of conception, I think that it is a 2 person decision.  If not, then men can't be held responsible for the child if the mother decides to have he/she. (BTW, as a product of a piece of shit father, I really don't believe thats how things should be but in fairness, thats how it would be if what you said were true.)

[Guest RetroRob215]

I have to disagree here. If a man is the father he has just as much right to help determine the right of the child to live.  If the woman decides to have the child, is he not held responsible for care to the child too(through monetary or being there)??  Then why would he not have any say?? Why would it all be up to the woman.  Because its her body.

Pretty much, yeah.  I personally think the father should have a say, but he can't force a women to go through nine months of pregnancy resulting in her pushing a 20 inch, 6 lbs. baby through here rather small birth canal.  In the end, it's her body, her decision.

[Guest Ripper]

I have to disagree here. If a man is the father he has just as much right to help determine the right of the child to live.  If the woman decides to have the child, is he not held responsible for care to the child too(through monetary or being there)??  Then why would he not have any say?? Why would it all be up to the woman.  Because its her body.

Pretty much, yeah.  I personally think the father should have a say, but he can't force a women to go through nine months of pregnancy resulting in her pushing a 20 inch, 6 lbs. baby through here rather small birth canal.  In the end, it's her body, her decision.

Yeah, i agree that in the end it should be her decision, but I hate the "The man can't really have a argument because he it isn't his body" thing.  I believe that the fathers thoughts and wishes should be held in as high regard as the mothers.  If you aren't the father, basically mind your own business.

[Guest ant_7000]

Im pro-choice to a certain extent, in case of rape/incest, and teenage pregnancy the female should have a choice on that matter. There are a lot of birth control devices out there so I dont understand why females keep getting pregnant and dont or refuse to take responsiblity, and get abortions, they might as well get their tubes tied if they dont want to get knocked up.

[Guest RetroRob215]

There are a lot of birth control devices out there so I dont understand why females keep getting pregnant

They balme that on the men not wanting to wear condoms.  Quite frankly, men only have two choices when it comes to birth control, and one when it comes to STD protection.  If a man doesn't want to wear a condom or get a vasectomy, than the woman should just pull out one of their 10 different methods of birth control (Pills, diaphragh, IUD, sponge, etc.), stick it in there, and get started.  Unfortunately, women think it's the man's fault that they get pregnant, but in reality that is far from the truth.

[Guest]

Yep, I agree. This is the kind of thing that makes me equally hated by both men and women. Just as I think men shouldn't have any say in whether a woman aborts a pregnancy, I don't think a woman has any claim on a man just because he impregnated her. No paternity suits, no child support, no "he should have worn a condom" bullshit. It's your body, so it's your responsibility.

 

Of course, the best solution to this would be if all the girls in the world suddenly turned gay. No more accidental pregnancies - and I'd be much, much happier.

[Guest Risk]

Of course, the best solution to this would be if all the girls in the world suddenly turned gay. No more accidental pregnancies - and I'd be much, much happier.

Of course YOU would be happier.  And, of course, the human race would ultimately be wiped out.  Plus, guys over the planet would eventually become insane due to not being able to fulfill their urges, become more animalistic, violent, and go on a raping spree.  Forcing terror and chaos on the world.

 

This would also result in slavery and abuse.  In The End the world would end.

[Guest ant_7000]

at least if women were Bisexual the world would be a better place. Springer chants WE LOVE LESBIANS!!!!!!!! WE LOVE LESBIANS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest]

the human race would ultimately be wiped out

In the immortal words of Dogbert, cry me a river, liberal.

 

Shee-eeeeesh... here, bucko, you might be happier with this. <hands Risk a sense of humour>

[Guest TheMikeSC]

Quote  

the human race would ultimately be wiped out

In the immortal words of Dogbert, cry me a river, liberal.

 

Shee-eeeeesh... here, bucko, you might be happier with this. <hands Risk a sense of humour>   >>>

 

 

Umm, his post seemed tongue-in-cheek to me.

                     -=Mike

 

...Pro-lesbian---well, at least on film, anyway. :-)