Nelly wants to battle!

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Nelly tried to  call out KRS One on the Rock the Mic Remix. How dare he? KRS One is so much better than Nelly, it's ridiculous. KRS One made a comment that was something along the lines of "You're tired of me saying what's real hip hop, I'm tired of you biting my shit to go pop." He also said something along the lines of, "Your album appeals to second graders," and "sales don't make you an authority, ot means you sold out to the white majrity." KRS One said that he wasn't talking about Nelly specifically, but Nelyy took it personally since the first line was pretty much the same as one of Nelly's lines from "Number 1." Nelly responded by saying that KRS One is an old rapper trying to make a comeback. All he can talk about is his record sales and say that KRS One is old. He never talks about how KRS One would destroy him in a battle. KRS One responded to Nelly with the song "Ovah!" There was an East Coast/West Coast beef before. I hope this time there is a Pop Rap/Hip Hop battle. I'm tired of this Pop Rap bullshit.

[Guest Black Lushus]

Nelly isn't even worthy enough to wipe KRS One's asshole...he needs to go back to St. Louis, take his St. Suckatics with him and shut his band-aid wearin mouth up...

[Guest papacita]

I like Nelly's sound but lyrically he's weak. KRS would eat him in a battle. He needs to leave that alone.

[Guest razazteca]

Nelly would be better off battling Master P or the Cash Money Millionaires.

 

KRS One is a lyrists while Nelly is more less party music rap with no real substance.

[Guest ant_7000]

KRS One is also campaigning to tell people not to buy Nellyville if your a real hip hopper (like myself), which nobody is going to buy anyway. KRS One vs. Nelly? Dont make me laugh, Nelly would get murdered on the mic, they should do a commercial spot so KRS could clown Nelly like he did MC Shan on the sprite commerical, I hate wack cats like Nelly and the Lunatics who get signed on because of their "carisma" over cats who actually has skills and can't get a deal. and Pop rap vs. True hip hop? Pop rap doesn't stand a chance if the beef came to the surface.

[Guest]

Nelly is shit. KRS-One would destroy him.

[Guest Ripper]

KRS-one might destroy Nelly, but he is still a washed up rapper that is trying to get press, bottom line.  One hasn't been hot for almost a decade now....and he will never be a Rakim or a Kane.

[Guest Black Lushus]

agreed but *in the voice of the old jewish guy Eddie Murphy played in Coming To America* he'd kick Nelly's ass....

[Guest ant_7000]

True KRS is washed up, but still he could murda Nelly lame ass.

[Guest Ripper]

Oh, I know.

 

But that is what pisses me off even more.  KRS-one will take a shot at Nelly, but other rappers are doing the same thing.  The only problem is that he is worried they can take him, so he goes after a guy that he knows isn't the greatest lyrically.  You won't see him swing a single bar towards the Jay-z's and Eminems way  because we all know that if he has some determination behind his songs, he will crush you.  

 

My question is this...what if, and I know it is next to impossible, but what if Nelly absolutly murdered One on a song.  Do you think that hip-hop heads would give him props or would they try to ignore it like they did when Canibus murdered LL not once, but twice after LL foolishly dissed him again.

What ever happend to that whole thing about Rakim sueing KRS-one for unpaid royalties for all the songs that he ghost-wrote for him, anyway.  

 

Ripper-wondering how underground hip-hoppers allways talk about how album sells don't matter, but say Canibus loss the battle with L because his albums didn't sell.

[Guest ant_7000]

No true hip hop heads didnt ignore Canibus beating LL basically murdering him with "2nd round KO" that won the battle alone, its just that LL isnt all that and reason why Canibus albums don't do good because his production is so terrible and isnt really creative when putting something down constructive instead of calling emcees out, KRS has talked about how pop/rap is bullshit, to me he's calling out any pop rapper to battle and Nelly responded, and like KRS said just because your albums sale doesnt mean your the dopest (i.e. Nelly) on "Step into a World." I will give Nelly his props if he can hold it down.

[Guest Ripper]

KRS-One was obviously talking about Nelly.  He used his line for gods sake.  

 

And while true, they did give props to Canibus for 2nd round Knock out, but the same people were the ones hyping LL's verson on that GOAT album when he dissed Canibus again(Getting hip-hop quotable in source,XXL  interviews and it being on every mix tape you could find(not saying that the Source is the authority on real hip-hop, and XXL is basically a bunch of angry ass ignorant bad writers but you get the point)) but EVERYBODY tried to act like that Canibus answer to that song "Dad" was not only 10 times hotter lyrically and he ripped LL apart easily(and I didn't have to hear Ja Rule continue his transformation into R&B singer on the hook).  It was the continued ball licking of LL washed up ass that really just pissed me off.  

 

The "hip-hop" heads usually piss me of when I have coverstations with them, because basically EVERYBODY sucks and are sellouts.  "Eminem sucks because he on MTV and he ain;t got shit on that Benifit kid." when a few years ago it was "Everlast sucks because he on MTV and he ain't got shit on that Eminem kid."  Same thing for Mase, the Lox, Camron, and most every other rapper.  They can use the same style on thier underground stuff and as soon as they get big, to paraphrase 2-pac, some old rappers looking like Larry holmes all flabby and sick, start trying to playa hate on thier shit.

[Guest ant_7000]

I feel if rappers are accepted on MTV I dont have a problem with that its more exposure, but if your compermising (sp?) your style to fit what MTV wants you to be than you are selling out.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Canibus won the battle with LL in my opinion, but Canibus hasn't proven himself outside of that battle. He wants recognition as the best, but he isn't a very versatile rapper. KRS One's alleged quote wasn't neccesarily a quote. How many other ways wold he have phrased the line about people tired of him talking about what's real hip hop?

[Guest crandamaniac]

nelly battling with krs-one?  puh-lease!  nelly would be better off battling someone who's in his league, like gerardo or somebody

[Guest evenflowDDT]

Nelly battling KRS One? Hahahahaha... although I was surprised to learn KRS One was still around.  He may be washed up, but him washed up is still better than Nelly.

 

I too am sick of this pop rap stuff.  Not that I really listen to it, but when I do have the displeasure of hearing it... yech... to everyone who hates rap like I used to because all they heard were annoying materialistic pop rappers, don't hate the game, hate the "playaz".

[Guest ant_7000]

Nelly is better off battling Vanilla Ice, G-Dep, Baby (from Cash Money), and Master P. hahahahhahhahahhaha

[Guest Ripper]

I give Nelly this, he is "rapping" the same way he was before he was signed and hasn't changed his style at all.  Even his underground stuff was full of catchy hooks and he just sounded like a guy that just having fun.  Nelly's style is one of his own...basically he isn't like anyone else(well, Ja-rule has suddenly decided to blur the line between singer/rapper now).  Not liking his style doesn't mean he isn't hip-hop.  Just because white people like his music doesn't mean he isn't hip-hop.  I can't say how much skill he has, because basically, I've never listened to his label album...I really don't care for his music.  All I have heard is his radio stuff, and that isn't a indicator for the entire album in most cases.

 

And like him or not, he is kinda right...KRS-one is just a washed up old rapper that is trying to spark sells with a battle.  Just like Nas starting the beef with Jay-z to spark his career, except Nas had his second all-time classic album in the works(Stillmatic is the shiot)  to back-up his talk, and I find it hard to believe that KRS-one has one under his belt.

 

And pinicalle, do you really belive that he couldn't think of any other way to besides basically quoting Nellys line.  I mean, he is suppose to be one of the great lyricst, and is a historic battler.  He knew exactly how that line would be interpreted.  Its like how RZA was on MTV and tried to say when he was talking about shiney suits he didn't necessaryly mean Puffy and Mase(he basically said that because Ma$e was sitting there).  One is insulting people intellegence with that "I didn't mean you, but if you want to battle...." crap.  He's not some youngster in this game.  He knew what he was doing.

[Guest Crazy Dan]

Man, all KRS-one has to point out is that Nelly did a song with nsync.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Like I said before, how else should KRS One have phrased his statement? As far as KRS One trying to spark his sales, what album does he have in the works? I don't really even care what if his motives are selfish, what he said needs to be said. As far as Nas and Jay-Z, I was under the impression that Nas had beef with Memphis Bleek, and Bleek couldn' hold his own (what a surprise) and Jay-Z tried to come to his rescue.

[Guest Ripper]

It was along time before Jay responded to a single word that Nas said.  It started with Nas dissing Bleek, but it soon grew to him dissing everyone at the Roc.  They all responded except for Jay.  Eventually, Nas got tired of trading blows with the light weights(and who would blame him) and went directly for the top dawg.

 

 

As for Krs-one...dude is on some bullshit.  What did hip-hop start out as?? It started out with catchy hooks, dancey beats and feel good lyrics.  Yeah, there were a few songs dealing with society and such, but the Sugar Hill Gang, African Bambada, Run Dmc, hell basically all the acts at the begaining of hiphop(what is considered real hip hop) was very close to what dudes like KRS-one is calling crap today.  What is really the difference between a Nelly song and SHG saying "A hip, a hop, a hippy to the hop"???

 

You don't have to like the new school rappers, but to say they aren't hip-hop because they doing it with party music instead of conscience rap is ridiculous.  Hip hop WAS a feel good music.  And although I like the progression it has, and the seriousness and deepness of the lyrics now, lets not try and ignore what the basis for hip hop was.  These guys, like them or not, are very close to the original.  They aren't taking it new places like the Rakims, Krs-one's and others did, but they are using the exact same priciple that "real Hip-Hop" was based on.

 

BTW, Big Daddy Kane did a pop song with Patty Labelle, and Rakim did a pop song with Jody Whatley...are they not hip-hop now.

[Guest ant_7000]

I agree with you Ripper, Rap started out as just party feel good music in the 70's, But don't get me wrong I like some pop/rap stuff they are good music for the clubs, But todays party music is all about drinkin crystal, money, cars and women which people are getting tired of. Back in the day party music wasn't about that, it was about partying without a care and what they did at the party. Rap goes through trends from 70's party music until the late 80's when it was conscience about social issues, then that last until the mid 90's back to party music thats where its at now. Im glad Nas challenge Jay-Z because both were getting complacent and I think the beef brought out best outta both of them.(I have both of their recent album and enjoyed them). Both got 5 mics which was debateble to me because Nas album was more 4 to 4 1/2 mic range. As for Nelly, he hasn't prove anything to hip hop heads that he can hold down on the mic, doing songs with Nsync is not helping if you want to establish street creditibility.

[Guest Ripper]

While true, in my humble opinion, fuck street cred.  the Street isn't gonna make you money.  The street is where people by th eboot legs instead of paying for the album.  The street is where you are NEVER gonna make people happy. Trying to cater to them will just lead to the death of your music career.  Yeah, the "pop" rap today  is about money and blinging and all, but the old school guys didn't have it.  They rapped about women plenty, their Kangos, gold chains, and adidas....same thing now only they are rich so its more about cars, platnum, still with the women.  Alot of these new guys are guilty of being complacent and not carrying the hip-hop game to new levels, but I don't think that you point to thier subject matter or party rhymes and beats as proof they aren't hip-hop.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

You bring up some good points, but the fact of the matter remains that Nelly is a pop rapper. Ja Rule is a pop rapper. These guys seem to sing more than they rap. You talk about people rapping about partying and all that other stuff, I'm talking about how rappers are contributing to the watering down of rap. Something gets a little bit of attention, and all of a sudden, people in suits are shaping the music instead of the musicians. Why is it that you look around and everybody has to have a Neptunes beat, a Timbaland beat, at least one sampled beat and a guest appearance by whoever is the flavor of the month. G-Dep? The guy is garbage, but he was featured on a remix of a Benzino song. Why? He was the flavor of the month last spring. It's one thing to like someone's style and want to make music with them, but it seems like there are some things taht are required. Everybody has to have a Neptunes beat (No Doubt, N Sync, Brittany Spears) and a flavor of the onth guest appearance. That stuff is done strictly to sell records.

[Guest Redhawk]

What I don't like about the present day battles is that no one wants to actually admit there's a battle going on. You know how you'll hear a song and you think, "Oh, Rapper X is going at Rapper Y." They act all tough in the song, but as soon as they get interveiwed in a magazine, they always say, "It was just a misunderstanding...If I saw him today we'd go kick it...he's a cool dude, I respect his music..." Whatever happened to good old-fashioned beef? They're not afraid to make songs with veiled messages, but they're scared to actually say something straight-up.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

nelly did a song with n sync

 

...should we continue with this?

[Guest ant_7000]

Yep, Nsync and Nelly did a song called "Girlfriend". But I do agree with Redhawk with the battles its like they take the subliminial route to diss other cats, and then in the magazine its oh no I didn't diss him or them (i.e. DMX and The LOX or Ludicris and P.diddy) we're cool, stuff like that kills me. There hasn't been a rapper who was willing to speak their mind since 2pac, But some rappers today are straight foward about who they diss and want to battle.