World Leaders: A bunch of lying douche bags?

[LessonInMachismo 0]

Nothing changes. Corruption, immorality, chaos.

 

Do you know what your problem is, LessoninMachismo? You are a piece of the machine that thinks it is the whole of the machine. The flute that believes itself a symphony.

 

You have malfunctioned. Admit it, and you'll feel better. Your only destiny is to be a nail that is hammered down.

 

Bang, Bang,  Bang.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

MARK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm such a hopeless fanboy. I pretty much have all of those lines committed to memory. Yes, I speak them with a British accent as well.

Would it surprise you to know that Wayne Alexander isn't British? He grew up right where I did in the San Joaquin Valley in Cali.

[The Czech Republic 0]

lol

[cbacon 0]

Do you know why you don't like America so much, Bacon? It is because you are a creature that has received pain and given pain and taken too much joy in its application. You have aspired to dreams and been disappointed, because you are not strong enough, or worthy enough, or right enough, so you lash out at anyone - in this case America - who believes they can make a difference, because it reminds you of your own failure. You have to prove they're just as bad, just as flawed as you are. Am I close, Bacon?

 

Profound diagnosis Sigmund, but a little off.

 

Anyways,jumping back into the Nicaragua thing:

 

Hmm, 8000 political assassination within 3 years of gaining power.

 

Sources?

 

And please, no frontpagemag.

 

Seized land from the Miskita Indians, killing or imprisoning about 15,000 of them.

 

Although the relocation was not jusitified, the majority of Human rights groups that investiaged the Miskita relocation (which was a response to Contra activity in the first place) have placed the death toll around the 1000 area.

 

Also the Sandinsta government have acknowledged the error of the relocation and have granted the Indians automony.

 

The usual press censorship, of course, came along.

 

Outside of the closer of La Prensa, which was claimed to be receiving funds from America, the Censorship of the Sandinistas was nothing out of the norm for a nation at war, even more so for a central American country at war.

 

Gee, an election where the top challenger dropped out because Ortega's goons assaulted and intimated him and his supporters constantly?

 

Would you be refering to Virgilio Godoy Reyes of the PLI? In which case it should be noted that the reasons for the withdrawn of his candidacy are still largely unknown with speculation on both sides. And that the rest of the PLI running for National Assembly (along with the vice-president of the PLI taking up the slack) remained in the race.

 

Also, the top challenger (if it was the PLI,) got a measly 11% of the vote. In comparision to 63% for the Sandinistas.

 

And using the UN as a bulwark of electoral legitimacy is laughable.

 

The Un was just one of many organizations that had oberservers in the country. The results of the election were accepted worldwide excluding Reagan's America.

 

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Could the 1990 elections also be considered "free and fair"? Not really, considering the Contras had a gun up to the population's head saying "Don't vote Sandinista, or will continue our bombings of soft targets".

 

 

Actually, they even had Jimmy Carter there to monitor those elections.

 

And, while he vigorously opposed the group that won, he has never once uttered any comments about that.

 

That's great, too bad Jimmy couldn't use his magical power and stop the Contras from holding the country hostage (not to mention the American Embargo).

 

Since I know you love Chomsky so much, allow me to quote him and get my point across.

 

""Suppose that some power of unimaginable strength were to threaten to reduce the United States to the level of Ethiopia unless we voted for its candidates, demonstrating that the threat was real. Suppose that we refused, and the threat was then carried out, the country brought to its knees, the economy wrecked and millions killed. Suppose, finally, that the threat were repeated, loud and clear, at the time of the next scheduled elections. Under such conditions, only the most extreme hypocrite would speak of a free election. Furthermore, it is likely that close to 100% of the population would succumb.

 

Apart from the last sentence, I have just described U.S.-Nicaraguan relations for the last decade."

--Noam Chomsky, The Boston Globe, March 4, 1990 "

 

And by opposition, you mean the party the people DON'T WANT IN POWER.

 

Correction, the party the slight majority didn't want in. Dan Ortega (A man I greatly dislike by the way) received 43% of the vote, while the party that DID win got 51%. Not exactly a landslide victory. Also, the Sandinistas are still the main party when it comes to municipal elections.

 

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Jesus christ, end your life. Not every scholar who believes that the USSR fell for reasons other than Reagan were also telling reagan that the USSR would never go away.

 

 

They most assuredly fucking were. They opposed everything Reagan did every fucking step of the way, believing the USSR was never going to go away.

 

Please, There were plenty of economists predicting the economic fall of the USSR before Reagan even got in office. Have some common sense.

 

You are very quick to point out the Sandinistas bad side (regardless of how inaccurate your facts are), yet you overlook some of the good things they have done. Such as completely turned around the enviroment and launching quite possiblely the most successful campaign for reading the world has ever seen. While the Somozas did nothing in the interests of the people.