The women's title

[Guest RickyChosyu]

You know, for a while there it looked like they had something. Now, I'm begging for them to just scrap the whole division and forget they even tried.

 

Yeah know, it's not like anyone was clamoring for the Women's title to mean something again, but if they're going to spend months upon moths of TV convincing us that it and it's champion mean something, they might as well not shit all over it by sacrificing them both to the hardcore division, which is best left out of discusion at this point.

 

Hell, both Trish and Molly were starting to be taken seriously, too. So what do they do? Turn Molly into a heel because she's a virgin and give Trish her big title win in a mixed-tag hardcore match. Like I said, if you want to make it mean something, fine, but if you are, at least have the attention span to not sabotage it for your own amusement after months of telling us it's legit. That kind of perverbiable spit in the fan's face is what killed WCW. For instance, why should we take the Cruiserweight title seriously? Who's to say next week they won't sacrifice all the cornerstones of THAT division to Bubba-Ray Dudley?

 

With booking like that, how can Vince NOT be a genius?

[Guest]

Well, I think the reason they had the title change hands in a mixed tag match is because they didn't want Jazz working a full regular match with her torn ACL.

[Guest Kinetic]

Well, I think the reason they had the title change hands in a mixed tag match is because they didn't want Jazz working a full regular match with her torn ACL.

Yeah, exactly.  And it did sort of kill the division's momentum, as they were obviously building to Trish getting the big title win after months of chasing Jazz.  As it stands, it's a two person division.  They're really between a rock and a hard place here, because they don't have enough talented female wrestlers for a full division but going the T&A route destroys the legitimacy they've been attempting to build.  I say just downplay the whole division until Jazz returns or they find a suitable replacement.

[Guest]

It wasn't the "hardcore" Match that killed the Women's Division momentum. It's making Trish defend the belt against Stacy Keibler. Next thing you know, we'll be back to square one with Trish and Stacy fighting over Vince's attention.

[Guest Anglesault]

Well, they needed to get the belt off Jazz and they couldn't just have Trish beat her (She was never able to before, why now?) so they had the Hardcore shit in. But Molly should have ran out and destroyed Trish, setting up the PPV. Or, if you want it to be a SD! girl, send Ivory out to attack Trish.

[Guest]

Anglesault, you need to slow down there, buddy! That's way too much thinking for the WWE Writing Team. They paint by the Numbers, remember?

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Would it have been so hard to have Jazz vacate the title and book Trish/Molly to crown the new champion? I know, that's probably giving the title way too much credibility, but like I said, they did just spend four months trying to build it up, and it wouldn't have hurt them to give it a little bit of legitamacy, as apposed to having it change hands in a four minute hardcore comedy match with five run-ins. I mean, if you look at the current division, the Molly feud is over and now Trish is fighting in T&A matches for no apparent reason. To say the division is dead is an understatement, and there's no way they can claim they had no choice considering the situation. They blew it, and that's four months of TV time out the window. Just another day in a dying promotion, I guess.

[Guest]

Is the any possible way Russo is back with the promotion and we don't know it? LoL

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Is the any possible way Russo is back with the promotion and we don't know it? LoL

No, more like they're watching old tapes of '98 era Raw's and trying to get inspiration from them. Too bad that style of booking only works if done by the right people with the right management. If there's anything that symbolizes a dying WCW, it's a failed attempt to re-create Raw circa 1998. Sad.

[Guest Anglesault]

Vacating the title would have been worse than what they did.

[Guest]

The Women's division is still good, has been the best it has been in fucking years, BUT, they need to stop with the fucking T&A if they want to keep it as good as it has been, and give the women some men to have their backs, because damnit....most can't get over by themselves without taking their clothes off.

[Guest areacode212]

If I were booking this, I would have Trish in a double feud...one on Mondays and one on Thursdays. In fact, since the  PPV is the only time the Raw/SD crew get to interact, I'd show Ivory & Molly form some kind of alliance. They wouldn't even need to shoot a cheesy backstage angle.

 

This is how I'd do it, and introduce new faces at the same time: basically, during the (hopefully short) Trish/Stacy match, I'd have Trish get thrown to the outside at one point, then be jumped by Ivory & Molly. They'd beat the crap out of her, doing stiff stuff like throwing her into the stairs, ringpost, table, whatever. Then they'd roll her back in for Stacy to pin her. The exhausted and bruised Trish would then barely pull herself together and manage to roll Stacy up for the win, thus giving her a bit of "fighting champion" babyface heat. Of course, I & M would kick her ass some more after the match, then the two heel girls would do some heel mic work basically explaining the angle--that Trish wouldn't be able to hide, no matter what show she was on, and that they'd weaken her enough so that one of them would become the champ. Then they'd beat her up some more (anyone think Trish would do a blade job?).

 

Then on SD, I'd have some more backstage shenanigans, where she'd be all banged up and bandaged from the PPV attack, then Ivory would attack her some more! This time, all the refs would come out and drag Ivory away, and the camera would stay on Trish, who'd be on the ground, coughing and writhing in pain. Suddenly, a pair of feet would walk into the picture. It's April Hunter, and she's attacking Trish!! Trish, being the gutsy champ she is, tries to fight back with her "Kawada kick", but it's no use. So at this point, Trish is nearly dead.

 

Then on Monday, she's in a title match with Molly. Trish barely wins, so Molly beats her up after the match. But this time, someone runs in from the crowd to save her! It's the Scream Queen! Yeah!!!

 

 

This way, we get another babyface, who's sort of familiar to wrestling fans, and another heel for Trish to deal with.

 

Not bad for something it took me less than a minute to think up while riding the bus, eh?

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Vacating the title would have been worse than what they did.

Why? Because then Jazz wouldn't get to job in a hardcore match? Because then the entire concept of women in wrestling wouldn't be taken back to "dang, Jethro! that girl's got fun-bags!!"? and so on.

 

Listen:

Vacating the title would allow Trish and Molly to build off of their feud and probably have a good match. It would also keep the heat on Jazz/Trish once Jazz returns, because Trish wouldn't have beaten her for the title yet, as opposed to her getting the big win in an utter embarisment of a match.

 

Areacode: Not a bad idea. However, I'm not sure what the possibilities of Hunter getting a job are. From what little I've heard and seen, she's pretty good in the ring but I'm not sure about charisma. Plus, does her being bulky like Chyna make the WWE more or less inclined to hire her? All these things do add up. Still, a good idea, though.

[Guest]

It could easily be Daffney or Dawn Marie instead of April Hunter, or hell, even Jackie or Victoria, just get some new people in and book the fucking division as a DIVISION, and not a tit busting party.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

It could easily be Daffney or Dawn Marie instead of April Hunter, or hell, even Jackie or Victoria, just get some new people in and book the fucking division as a DIVISION, and not a tit busting party.

Neither Daffney nor Dawn Marie are even wrestlers, and putting them in the division is Sable all over again. Jackie can work, but is damaged goods at this point, and is only good as a random challenger or tag team partner, not an actual champion. Never heard of Victoria before.

[Guest]

Victoria is the Godfather's ho that was powerbombed through the table, she's been training for near two years now, and from what I've heard, is doing well good a job.

[Guest areacode212]

Yeah, anyone could have been substituted in my little scenario...I just chose Daffney because I like her, and April because, well, because of this picture (don't click if you're offended by female nudity). I agree that nobody really cares about Jackie anymore, even though she's a decent worker.

 

I don't know anything first-hand, but I've heard from people who follow indies that Daffney is pretty good, and El Cubano posted here a month or so ago praising Dawn Marie.

 

Still, I've read either an Observer or Torch report that neither Daffney or April Hunter impressed the WWF during their tryouts (this coming from a company that's giving STACY KEIBLER a shot at the Women's title), but that Daffney might get picked up anyway because a) they liked her "look" and b) she's a Friend of Jericho.

[Guest Sakura]

Listen:

Vacating the title would allow Trish and Molly to build off of their feud and probably have a good match. It would also keep the heat on Jazz/Trish once Jazz returns, because Trish wouldn't have beaten her for the title yet, as opposed to her getting the big win in an utter embarisment of a match.

Trish and Molly could still have a good match. There is still heat on Jazz/Trish.

 

Making the title vacant is anti-climatic and a poor end to Jazz's reign. The match was weak, but at least Trish won it in her hometown with proper hype from Ross and what not. That title win made the title and the division seem a lot more important than just coming out and saying the title is now vacant because Jazz is hurt. The way it is now is that Trish is a realistic and worthy champion who earned the belt, but Jazz still has plenty of room to come back and issue a challenge for a rematch.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Daffney never impressed me in WCW, but I guess anything's possible. I don't know if any new face in the division can save it from the damage they've managed to do in just a two week period. Like I said, it makes you wonder how long it'll take them to piss on the junior division for the uptenth time.

[Guest muswp1]

Jazz's ACL screwed everything else up, just don't put Stacy or Torrie anywhere near the title, please.  If Trish and Molly have a good match tomorrow, the title should be in good shape.

[Guest papacita]

I still would've liked to see Molly form an alliance with Jazz to defend the title for her while she's injured. She could start hanging around with Stevie and Jazz could be in her corner during title defenses. Eventually, Jazz would get pissed at Molly for something and they somehow end up in an Owen/HHH style title match where Stevie turns on Jazz and Molly gets the title. Trish would come in to help out Jazz out of respect, Jazz goes out for her recovery, Molly and Trish can have a nice little feud and Jazz can come back as a face.

 

As for April Hunter...I've seen a few videos from some of her matches and she looks pretty good. I hope they sign her cuz she could do a lot for the division.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Trish and Molly could still have a good match. There is still heat on Jazz/Trish.

 

Making the title vacant is anti-climatic and a poor end to Jazz's reign. The match was weak, but at least Trish won it in her hometown with proper hype from Ross and what not. That title win made the title and the division seem a lot more important than just coming out and saying the title is now vacant because Jazz is hurt. The way it is now is that Trish is a realistic and worthy champion who earned the belt, but Jazz still has plenty of room to come back and issue a challenge for a rematch.

I don't see any signs of Trish and Molly continuing their feud. If the match ever happens, it will be too late for them to take advantage of the momentum they were building with those two, I think.

 

Who cares if she won it in her hometown? It was in a farse of a match, making it all the worse if it was in one of the few places that she has respect.

 

As for putting the title on Trish in the tag team hardcore (aka: time-wasting comedy) match, when they did that, they basically said "hey, we don't really care about this title since it can change hands the same way that the hardcore title can, and you all know how much the hardcore title means" where as, if they had vacated the title, they would be saying "hey, Jazz can't defend the title anymore, so she doesn't deserve to hold it, but we will give it to the next two deserving women at the next PPV, because they deserve it."

 

Of course, since vacating the title is the most logical move, they did the exact opposite. Now look where the division is. Look who Trish is defending it against. Yeah, they sure have done a lot to make it look important. Genuis, says I. Vince is a fookin' genius.