Star wars, episode 2

[Guest treble charged]

Some films don't need to be seen on a large screen to be enjoyed, however, Star Wars is NOT one of those movies.  The special effects, surround sound, all that stuff is much better when seen on a large screen as compared to a 15 inch computer monitor.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

"Some films don't need to be seen on a large screen to be enjoyed, however, Star Wars is NOT one of those movies.  The special effects, surround sound, all that stuff is much better when seen on a large screen as compared to a 15 inch computer monitor."

 

I don't find the special effects in the movie to be that impressive. Sure, Lucas crams in a lot of digital stuff, but it's all quantity and no real quality. There isn't anything innovative or original, like in The Matrix. It's just CGI for the sake of CGI, and with a completely wretched movie behind it, I simply do not care how good it "looks".

[Guest]

Your loss kid.

 

I don't know what kind of theatres they have in your 'burb, but the ones we have here are never hot or cramped. And if you think watching a movie on a computer screen is the same as watching it in the theater, you're a lost cause anyway.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

I love these "kid" comments. But if calling people that makes you feel less insecure about yourself, go ahead. And I watch a movie for the quality of the movie, not to be suckered into thinking it's good because of the setting or because people around me enjoyed it. I have watched movies on a 13 inch TV and enjoyed them far more than pieces of trash I saw in the theatre.

[Guest]

Hello? I said lost cause.

 

Thank you, move along.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

I think the lost cause is removing the brainwashing of "bigger, shinier, more expensive = better" than you obviously believe. But as long as people like you are around Lucas and MPAA will continue to make billions of dollars from shitty movies.

[Guest]

Hogan Made Wrestling, we get it. You didn't like Episode II. However, most of us liked it so THERE!

[Guest]

I am not suprised that you hated Episode II from someone who loves Hulk Hogan.

[Guest Ravenbomb]

It was much better than episode one, what with the lack of That Kid Who Played Anikan and Lima Neason (sp?), but The romance scenes between Anikan and Portman were pretty bad, but the good parts make up for that.

I'd get it on DVD unless it were really expensive

[Guest Flyboy]

Saw it for a second time, tonight... God... bless that movie.

 

Too awesome (huge SW fan here).

 

Did anyone go out and really want a REAL lightsaber?  I did... .  Well, I want one all the time, but after the movie it makes me want one more.

[Guest benoitrules2000]

What the fuck is wrong with you ppl?

That movie was the single biggest over-hyped piece of shit i have ever seen(And i've seen a lot of crap!)

I cannot fathom how anyone could have enjoyed that and i am a huge star wars fan(The original) so don't pull some shit about my not "Getting it" cuz not even the yoda fight scene and the little subtle transformation from anakin to darth could save that piece of crap!

 

You ppl want to see a fucking awesome movie go see the mothman prophecies, i fucking hate richard gere but that movie fucking rules.

 

The final word is that the originals once again prove that you should not fuck with the classics cuz episode 1 sucked dick and ep 2 was the biggest load of shit EVER!!!

 

I SAT IN THAT FUCKING THEATER FOR TWO AND A HALF FUCKING HOURS FOR THAT!!!!!!

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

 

WHEW!!!That's better!

[Guest Flyboy]

What the fuck is wrong with you ppl?

That movie was the single biggest over-hyped piece of shit i have ever seen(And i've seen a lot of crap!)

I cannot fathom how anyone could have enjoyed that and i am a huge star wars fan(The original) so don't pull some shit about my not "Getting it" cuz not even the yoda fight scene and the little subtle transformation from anakin to darth could save that piece of crap!

 

You ppl want to see a fucking awesome movie go see the mothman prophecies, i fucking hate richard gere but that movie fucking rules.

 

The final word is that the originals once again prove that you should not fuck with the classics cuz episode 1 sucked dick and ep 2 was the biggest load of shit EVER!!!

 

I SAT IN THAT FUCKING THEATER FOR TWO AND A HALF FUCKING HOURS FOR THAT!!!!!!

 

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

 

WHEW!!!That's better!

*gives you a fire extinguisher*

 

Get ready to put out the flames.

 

I'm not going to flame you because you are untitled to your opinion, but you displayed yours in an idiotic way.

[Guest benoitrules2000]

And how did i do that?

And your quite welcome to flame me, i like pissing ppl off.

[Guest starvenger]

Well, there are better ways to say that you didn't like the movie.  And "What's wrong with you people" is not the best way to start either.  Cutting down on the swearing wouldn't hurt either.

 

Anyways, I didn't really enjoy the movie.  1.5 hours of bland "plot development" and 1 hour of decent fighting doesn't really do it for me.  

 

Other things:

- Anakin was so stoic that it's hard to see why Padme would fall in love with him.  

 

- Christopher Lee and Ewan MacGregor sleepwalk through their roles.  Compare Lee's performances here and in LotR and you can see a marked difference.  And MacGregor looks like he spent the entire movie acting in front of a blue screen.

 

- Samuel L. Jackson still managed to look badass despite the Jedi robes.  In fact, he seemed to be the only guy who really enjoyed being on screen.

 

- Computer Generated Yoda just isn't the same as Muppet Yoda.  Mind you, CG was needed for the lightsabre scene, but for everything else, it was just Lucas trying to show that they could do it.

 

- Zam Wassell and the chase sequence.  Entirely designed to show a CG Coruscant, and sell an action figure.  

 

I dunno, maybe my expectations have been raised too high due to the superior storytelling within the Expanded Universe novels (although admittedly there have been some stinkers).  I wouldn't recommend watching this movie until it hits video.

[Guest Odyssey Wing]

the people who doesnt really like the movie seems to think alot (its not a bad thing) and expected too much (this one is for the SW fans who didnt like it too much)

 

i always try and just go watch a movie and have fun... and i did, i really like the movie

[Guest starvenger]

Yeah, I suppose I'm in that latter category.  I guess I'm just a jaded, bitter Star Wars fan.  

 

...but I'm a jaded, bitter comic fan as well, and I loved Spider-Man, so maybe I shouldn't be in that category.  *shrugs* Who knows, really?

[Guest Lil Naitch]

I really didn't like the CGI Yoda. And Anakin and Padame's love scenes were terrible. But it was a nice escape from the world for a few hours.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Episode 2 was enjoyable for me the first time around, but without all of the hype and all of the smoke and mirrors, it isn't that great. I think Star Wars was better than Episode 2.

 

The Yoda Scene wasn't as good for me the second time around.

 

The terrible dialogue was more prevalent the second time around because I sisn't watch it in a movie theater. I had to pay attention to the movie more than the effects and eye candy.

 

The love scenes weren't as bad because I knew how long they would last and I knew when they were coming.

 

The poorer aspects of the acting shone through the second time around. Anakin Skywalker's one emotion was whining. Every line he delivered seemed whiny.

 

The script was very shitty. It seemed as if shit was crammed in just so that it could be there. When Anakin started telling Padme about Obi Wan, my initial reaction was, "here's foreshadowing of the strife between them." The second time I saw that scene I thought, "What the fuck? Why is he telling her that shit? She didn't ask him and it seemingly came from nowhere." Instead of foreshadowing the Dark Side, it foreshadowed how much of a whiny bitch he was going to be. The first time around, I didn't neccesarily mind seeing stuff that was put in just because it had to be included because I was waiting to see when it happened. The second time I watched it, I was watching the movie so that I could understand the plot better. If you are watching it from that perspective, the poor script cannot be overlooked. You are thinking, "Ok. This leads to this. That leads to that." When Padme is telling Anakin that he has grown up, you aren't expecting him to launch a fucking whiny confessional about Obi Wan.

 

I still liked the clone planet the second time around. I liked the contrast between the harsh environment the planet seemed to offer, and the sterile environment that the clones were housed in.

 

The lightsaber duels were pretty good compared to previous movies, but the Yoda scene wasn't all that the second time.

 

The chase scene was still cool to me, but it didn't neccesarily have the same impact the second time around. I think all of the flashing lights and space ships whizzing around helped that scene alot.

 

The costumes ranged from mediocre (Anakin's dirty looking poncho) to pretty cool (Jango Fett's armor) but I was underwhelmed by the creatures in the fake Gladiator scene. I felt the same way th efirst time I saw it though.

 

I can't condemn this movie because there really is no need to. I think this movie was a blcokbuster movie just like the Scorpion King, except it had a much larger budget and following. If you truly want to enjoy this movie, you have to watch it like a popcorn flick.

[Guest Black Lushus]

I saw this for a second time yesterday as well, and I kinda wish I didn't because I too noticed way too many flaws...

 

here's a question for you...C-3PO apparently was working on the Lars farm when Anakin and Padme showed up there looking for Shmi.  If that's the case, why doesn't Owen or Beru have absolutely any recollection of C-3PO in A New Hope?

 

Anyway, Ewan McGregor and Christopher Lee were the only worthwhile portions of Episode 2.  I also enjoyed seeing all of the jedi fighting together...otherwise, I'd put this one right up there with Episode 1...I have no problem with the CG stuff, it's not like if the original trilogy didn't come out today Lucas wouldn't be using it as much on THOSE...Hayden Christiansen is just horrible.  I saw him in that move Life As A House and he's just as whiny...

[Guest ant_7000]

Well, I finally saw it and I can say it was alright, It didn't really live up to the hype but its better than episode 1.

 

Dislikes: Anakin and Pandme love story was boring ( I love you, no we can't love each other and blah blah.) Yoda using a walking stick but when he fought he was flipping around I didn't buy it. No reaction or questioning when Anakin killed that whole village. Since Yoda senses Anakin's pain it would be logical to talk to him about it. I wanted to more fighting scenes between Jinga Fett and Obi. And the obivous question how in the hell Anakin grew faster then Pandme.

 

Likes: The last hour of the Movie. Portman gave her character a personality then the 1st Episode because she was so stoic and boring in the 1st ep. And ep 2 she's more layed back and willing to risk everything.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"I guess sitting in a stiffling hot packed theatre surrounded by geek fanboys and pre-teens is a 'fun environment' to you?"

 

You forgot about the little brats running up and down the aisles screaming. I swear if I was sitting in an aisle seat when one of those little bastards passed me they would have gone down hard.

 

This is why I only watch 1-2 movies a year, if even that. For the price of 2 tickets, I can buy that film's DVD.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

"You forgot about the little brats running up and down the aisles screaming. I swear if I was sitting in an aisle seat when one of those little bastards passed me they would have gone down hard.

 

This is why I only watch 1-2 movies a year, if even that. For the price of 2 tickets, I can buy that film's DVD. "

 

Very well said. That's also why I wait a couple of weeks to go see a movie in the theatre when I do go there. Like when I went to see the Scorpion King, there was almost no one there since everyone was lined up to see Spiderman, and I had lots of arm/leg room, choice of seats, etc.. I actually think watching Ep. 2 on my computer was helpful because all the deficiencies were exposed without all the glitz to cover for them. I don't care how good a movies special effects are, if there is no plot or dialogue, it's going to be boring. If I wanted to watch a movie strictly for the visuals, I'd go to IMAX.

[Guest starvenger]

Ahh, gotta love those retcons, eh?

 

>here's a question for you...C-3PO apparently was working on the Lars farm when Anakin and Padme showed up there looking for Shmi.  If that's the case, why doesn't Owen or Beru have absolutely any recollection of C-3PO in A New Hope?

 

Theory 1: Owen and Beru ain't that bright.  I mean, moisture farming on Tatooine can't be that profitable, can it?

 

Theory 2: He knew, but didn't really care.  Droids are droids.  

 

Theory 3: Big Brother Lucas says that it has always been this way, so don't sweat the small stuff like plot holes.

 

>And the obivous question how in the hell Anakin grew faster then Pandme.

 

Well that's easy.  You see, women tend to grow and mature faster than men, and as a result, reach their full adult height faster than men.  So Padme and Anakin are really no different.

 

>You forgot about the little brats running up and down the aisles screaming. I swear if I was sitting in an aisle seat when one of those little bastards passed me they would have gone down hard.

 

I probably would have done the same thing.  Sure, the little punks would probably cry even louder, but it'd be worth it.

[Guest J*ingus]

Just saw it... some spoilers ahead.  

 

I wondered about the Owen & Beru/C-3PO plot hole too.  Apparently 3PO lived and worked there for several years, and he's a fairly unique robot, even by Star Wars standards.  I don't understand how they would've completely forgotten him.  Also, it's obvious that Yoda and Kenobi know damn well who R2-D2 is, they talk & interact with him, so why do they develop complete amnesia regarding him in New Hope and Empire?  

 

All in all, a "solid" movie.  Several good action sequences, especially the chase through the city and the assembly-line scene.  It completely kicked Phantom Menace's ass in almost every department, thank god.  However, it did have flaws which kept it from being as good as some of the originals (most of Anakin's lame dialogue, too-flashy computer effects, swordfights couldn't compare to the ones in Phantom and Jedi, went on for too long near the end, so forth & so on).  But worth seeing.  And yes, HMW, this movie does play better on the big screen.

[Guest]

I've never, ever been to a theatre where kids are running up and down the aisles screaming. That sounds totally unbelievable. Do you only go to suburban megaplex theatres during Saturday matinee's?

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

I wondered about the Owen & Beru/C-3PO plot hole too.  Apparently 3PO lived and worked there for several years, and he's a fairly unique robot, even by Star Wars standards.  I don't understand how they would've completely forgotten him.

Well, in Ep. 2, he didn't have his shiny golden "shell".  He had more of a cobbled-together look going.  Add to that the fact that his voice wasn't as "proper" as it was in Ep. 4, and it's not too hard to see why Owen might not recognize him.  I'm sure the Jawas had brought many droids around by the time Owen purchased C3PO that he may have seen numerous protocol droids.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

My take on the Owen/3PO thing is that droids seem to be the equivalent of slaves in the Star Wars universe.  Even if Owen did recognize 3PO, he would never say anything.

[Guest]

3po and r2 most likely have their memories erased in ep.3

[Guest caboose]

The concept of C3PO and R2D2 in the originals really sucked.

 

The one thing I found funny was that once again someone said 'I have a bad feeling about this!'.

That line has been used in all five episodes now by different characters each time.

[Guest brokentusk16]

I went to see the movie last night with a few friends. Going in, I was expecting it to be entertaining, but nothing too special. Overall, the film was not worth the $6.50 I paid. The acting was still stiff and the dialogue badly needed work. The "romantic" scenes were pure crap, no two ways about it. Anakin was still a whining jerk (but I guess that's just who he is). Padme looked very nice though.

 

The first half of the film was pretty brutal to sit through. I was checking my watch every five minutes. But when Obi-Wan got to the cloning planet, the movie started to warm up for me. C-3PO's dialogue was just so corny that it hurt to listen to. I think that Yoda and Dooku should have stuck with a lightning battle instead of lightsabers. Yoda just looked too unreal in the fight, it wasn't funny. Jango Fett was cool, wish he participated in the battles more. And, or course, the big battle was great at the end.

 

Like I said, this movie badly needed another run through the typewriter. If Lucas is going to be serious about this, he needs to hire a writer to write good dialogue (Peter David or Joss Whedon perhaps). The secodn half got better, but the first half was just brutal. Overall, I give the movie a C+.

 

To quote Rob Zombie: "You can't cover it up with special effects."