Guest gthureson Report post Posted February 13, 2002 The next part (maybe two parts) are out tomorrow, and damn it, I'm gonna wanna to talk about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gthureson Report post Posted February 13, 2002 I picked up Tec 767 today, and like Batman 599 focussed on Bruce in jail, this issue focusses on Sascha in jail. And her own doubts that maybe Bruce did do it. The writing is fine. I'm a fan of Rucka. But the new Tec art bothers me. I really enjoyed the two-tone film noir look that Detective had going. While 766 was pretty nice looking, 767 looks...rushed? I'll wait until other people have read it before I start getting into spoilers. He hadn't sorted out Nightwing yet, but if its like last month, it will only be barely a crossover issue, so if anybody else picks it up, tell me if its worth getting, or whether I can just read it and put it back on the shelf. But no huge new news this month in Tec. Just an update on the 'other suspect'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest areacode212 Report post Posted February 13, 2002 So, along with Shawn Martinbrough, they also scrapped the two-tone coloring scheme? That really sucks, because I loved that distinctive look. It really stood out from every other title on the stands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sassquatch Report post Posted February 14, 2002 Listen... I have said this once and I will say it again: If this story is given a great ending (look at the talent writing it) then I can see this story being looked at 10 years down the road as one of Batman's greatest stories. That's a high task to achieve, but I think it can be done. DC better not fuck this up... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gthureson Report post Posted February 14, 2002 No one was arguing with you, Sassquatch. I like the storyline so far. I was hoping that it would advance a bit more in Detective after the great Batman 599, but I can handle..... (spoiler space----turn back now if you don't want to read it) Sascha getting reassured about Bruce's innocence, especially since most of the book it looked like she was going to fold and maybe say something that would send him up the river. I don't think this storyline will truly be over until next years crossover. Bruce is going away for awhile. There is just going to Batman for awhile. Hopefully a long while, because this is somewhere they haven't really gone before, and I for one am interested in what kinds of stories they can tell where Bruce is completely out of the picture for the foreseeable future. Now....is Nightwing neccessary, anybody? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sassquatch Report post Posted February 14, 2002 Oh... I'm sorry if that came off as mean. I meant to say that the story could be one of the greatest if handled correctly. Again, I'm sorry to anyone who thought my comment was attacking you. Sorry gthureson. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest areacode212 Report post Posted February 14, 2002 Plot-wise, nothing much happens in the Nightwing crossover, but Dick & Babs share many of their thoughts on the Bruce situation, so you might want to pick it up for that. It's definitely better than the Robin crossover from a few weeks ago. You might want to read it in the store, at the very least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gthureson Report post Posted February 21, 2002 Read the Robin and Nightwing parts on the shelf today, didn't buy them. They were 'eh'. Interesting, but not neccessary. Onto to the good stuff for this week: (spoilers)........ Turn back now if you don't want them.... Gotham Knights 26: Part Ten of Murderer. A very touchy feely episode of Murderer. Leslie visits Albert, and she has her doubts about Bruce. Tim visits Nightwing, and he has doubts about Bruce. Dick visits Barbara, and is annoyed that Tim has doubts. Albert may have doubts, but he is a stoic Englishman, will not say it out loud. Bruce appears only in a couple of flashbacks and in the last panel where Leslie visits him in prison and tells him to come home. His family is worried about him. I didn't like this one as much as the last Gotham Knights, which was far better written, if you ask me. Leslie goes off on pacifism. Nightwing defends Bruce, Babs laces into Dick saying Bruce has been a dick lately. (Heh, a pun..sort of.) Its a soap opera issue, with a rift between Nightwing and Robin. Birds of Prey 40: Part 12 Black Canary comes back with the loot from Vesper's apartment, then goes to Spoiler's house to stomp Cluemaster and Riddler. She has her canary cry back. Babs goes through the stuff, decides that Vesper was being used to find out Bruce's secret for somebody else, and seems to be sure that Vesper knew by the end. The big news in this issue is the final page, where her news filters pop up with the breaking news that....dum dum dum....Bruce has broken out of jail. We are now into Fugitive with Batman 600. Nightwing is pissed, heading for the Cave saying basically, 'Bruce...you have some 'splaining to do!' Neither of these were nearly as good as last months, but they moved things along in their own way. I still have no clue who is behind it all, but I am starting to root for the Penguin. Someone suggested it on the DC board, and this might be a way to bring him back and make him a player again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest areacode212 Report post Posted February 21, 2002 Hm, new books are out today? I thought they would have been delayed b/c of Presidents Day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sassquatch Report post Posted February 21, 2002 I think it's the Scarecrow now that I look at the evidence more. It would make some sense if you look at how the whole murder. Bruce was in a dazed state and didn't know what happened. He comes upstairs and who KNOWS what he saw at first. It could have all been an illusion from the Scarecrow. I would not count out the Penguin either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vyce Report post Posted February 22, 2002 Picked up Gotham Knights today, and wasn't that thrilled with it. The whole "We all doubt Bruce!" drama just grated on me, and Leslie was VERY annoying with the pacifist BS. When this is all resolved though, Bruce is going to have to have a long talk with pretty much everyone, as it seems that they're pretty willing to believe he would kill a woman in cold blood. BTW, this is just an aside, but I have to ask - Cluemaster showed up in Birds of Prey? I thought he was killed in the first issue of the new Suicide Squad series. Am I wrong, mistaken, what? I could swear that he was now deceased. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gthureson Report post Posted February 22, 2002 Yep...he was hanging out in his ex-wife's living room plotting some unspecified scheme with the Riddler. Dunno about Suicide Squad...don't read it, but as far as BoP goes, he was still amongst the living. And yeah, if I was Bruce, I wouldn't be worrying about whether the rest of the gang trusted me, I'd be worrying about whether I could trust them. Batman may not always explain his actions to the gang, but then again, he shouldn't have to. He's Batman. Its not a democracy. You want to work with or for the Bat, you just do what you're told. Leslie has always annoyed me when Devin writes her. She seems to carry a soapbox around with her, just waiting to get onto it. When thing that is starting to annoy me, though, is the fact that Bruce's escape from prison is being done off-camera. Seems like a major plot happening, would make for a good story, and should be shown. Instead, its just, "And Bruce Wayne escaped from Blackgate." Should have happened in Detective or Batman, not just mentioned in the last 2 pages of Birds of Prey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Austinhhh4life Report post Posted March 1, 2002 Bruce Wayne: Murderer is one fine example of why Batman is the greatest hero ever, and why he is my all time favorite character. I'm so intruiged by the thought of Bruce actually being convicted and confined in prison with the thugs and crooks mostly he's put there. The best was when those Neo-Nazi's got their asses handed to them by a "fancy pants".... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest areacode212 Report post Posted March 2, 2002 Yes, Cluemaster was killed off in Suicide Squad #1, but, as much as I like Keith Giffin, I have no problem with ignoring the new SS series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gthureson Report post Posted March 5, 2002 Batman #600 The big double sized landmark issue. Its not twice the story though. There are three back-ups emulating previous Batman eras. The plot moved along in this one, but it felt forced. Everyone is after Bruce to admit he didn't do it. Sorry...everyone is after Batman to admit he didn't do it. Batman doesn't care anymore. Bruce is escaping on a private plane, and he doesn't plan on clearing the name of Bruce Wayne. The mask is gone. He is going back to work. Dick takes a poke at him, then tries to get into a brawl with Batman. Batman will have none of it, then goes off to fight crime. An interesting direction, I thought. I figured Bruce was going away for awhile, but I didn't expect Batman to just ditch it utterly, and not even care if his alter-ego ever gets cleared. But it still felt forced. "You've been acting weird since NML and OD, Batman. Thats why we feel we are justified in thinking that maybe you killed her. Except for Dick. He's behind you." He's better off without them, if you ask me. To hell with the Batcrew. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vyce Report post Posted March 6, 2002 Batman has always been my favorite comic character of all time, but really, I'm sorry.....shit like this is what pisses me off, and why it's true that Marvel has better written characters. Marvel's characters work because they're HUMAN. DC's characters are all archetypes, but I enjoy seeing the human side of them. I'm none to thrilled with them turning Bruce into Batman 24-7, but I'm willing to wait and see what they're going to do with the storyline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sassquatch Report post Posted March 6, 2002 Some of my favorite, not the best, Batman stories ever were when Bruce Wayne, not Batman, was trying to hook up with Vicki Vale in issues #450-485. You could connect with Bruce. He really liked Vic but he wasn't sure if she was the one or if she would even say "yes" to him. I don't have this issue (*gasp*) but there is this one Batman issue where Vicki is in the hospital and some thugs try to kill her. Batman fights them off valiantly and then Bruce decided to take off his mask. Vicki is shocked but is also VERY over joyed to see Bruce. Then Bruce wakes up and goes to say hello to Vicki and I think it was in this same issue where they break it off and Vicki goes to Eurpoe or something like that. Batamn was not fighting the Joker. He was not duking it out with Killer Croc in the sewrers. he was not saving hostages from the Riddler. He was being Bruce Wayne. And I always admired that about Batman. Bruce was as normal as you and me (minus the cash and the alter identity). But he was guy that didn't have all the answers when it came to his personal life and nobody really does. They just make choices as they come along. Sorry for getting off topic but I wanted to get that off my chest. I have bought every issue of "Murderer" so far except for part 11 which is the new Robin issue. And Batman #600 also sold out from what I have read on the second day it was released and is going into a second printing. Luckily I scored a copy of #600 on Wednesday and just for kicks, I'll buy another one to trade or sell. Good stuff so far, but this whole "Bruce is not Bruce Wayne anymore" thing is VERY negative and I don't like the vibes coming from it. I hope DC does not go for the old "Main hero is crazy and needs to be taken down by supporting cast charcaters" and has Nightwing and Batman rumble in Gotham for Bruce's sanity. It's too early for Batman to have this kind've fight with Dick and...just too much shit to think about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest areacode212 Report post Posted March 6, 2002 Well, if it gives you guys some kind of hope, I'm guessing that one of the things that will come out at the end of this storyline is Batman's realization that Bruce Wayne is an important part of his being, and his "mission" won't be quite as successful if he keeps denying part of himself. Or something like that. I bet that's going to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gthureson Report post Posted March 7, 2002 Detective 768 Heh. Core Batman book, and not even part of the Fugitive story. Start of a three part story arc with Asian gangsters and bad heroin. Not a bad story...but shouldn't a core book advance this mammoth crossover you are doing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gthureson Report post Posted April 5, 2002 Not much of note to report. Most of it seems to be happening in Birds of Prey at the moment. Its a setup by someone who knows Bruce's secret.... ....and hopefully the pace picks up soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Judas14 Report post Posted April 5, 2002 Detective 768 Heh. Core Batman book, and not even part of the Fugitive story. Start of a three part story arc with Asian gangsters and bad heroin. Not a bad story...but shouldn't a core book advance this mammoth crossover you are doing? Because people have gotten pretty pissed off at how DC puts out all of these mammoth Batman crossovers that the current Xover is occurring in certian books and not all of them.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest areacode212 Report post Posted July 27, 2002 Well, the crossover is FINALLY over, and the Murderer is...... *SPOILER SPACE* ........David Cain. And we found out in last week's issue of Gotham Knights that the person behind the framing of Bruce Wayne was none other than the President of the United States, Lex Luthor, Any thoughts on it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gthureson Report post Posted July 27, 2002 Well, I hadn't picked up my issues yet, but thats were I was guessing after the last few books. David Cain = Good, I suppose. He is an existing character with a history with the Batcrew. Adds some extra oomph with his relationship to Batgirl and the rest. I can live with it. Lex = As good as they could have gone with it, I suppose. I was kinda hoping for the Penguin though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vyce Report post Posted July 28, 2002 Makes sense. Lex still bears a grudge against Bruce for No Man's Land. And it seems they're going to make Cain a serious threat again. I'm just pissed off about the whole xover, though. It took FOREVER. Or at least it seemed too, since it was so massive. I don't know if I'm too into the massive Batman storylines so soon after NML. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest areacode212 Report post Posted July 28, 2002 I wouldn't have minded the length of the crossover if it had been interesting for the whole way through. It started off well, with "Murderer", but "Fugitive" was SO tedious to sit through. I could only take so many issues of the Bat gang sitting around. What I'm most pissed about is that the whole pre-crossover Batman & Sasha storyline seemed to be cut short in order to get the crossover out. It seemed like Sasha discovered Bruce's secret too quickly. I would have preferred more stories where Bruce tries to dance around this annoying new bodyguard, and, after she found out, more "Sasha as Batman's civilian helper" stories, with Vesper hanging around. I hate to sound like a broken record, but Rucka/Martinbrough's Detective era fucking rocked, and they (along with Dave Johnson's covers) will be truly missed. Argh!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gthureson Report post Posted July 28, 2002 Quick question, as I might not pick up my books for another couple weeks. (short of funds.) How did they resolve it? I mean, does the Batcrew know, but not the GCPD. Can they prove its not Bruce without giving up his identity? Does Sasha still get to spend time in the big house even though its solved? Is Bruce Wayne actually cleared, or not? That type of question. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest areacode212 Report post Posted July 28, 2002 *MORE SPOILER SPACE* They resolve most of that stuff fairly quickly at the end of the book. Cassandra (Batgirl) somehow convinces David Cain to turn himself in and confess to the murder of Sasha. So it does look like Wayne is cleared, though they still mention that he hasn't been seen in weeks (months?). As for Sasha, there isn't any word on her fate, BUT...the latest issue of Previews solicits Greg Rucka's final issue of Detective, and the description says something about Batman turning up the heat on Checkmate for information on Sasha's whereabouts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted August 7, 2002 I ended up going to work today, but unbeknownst to me, my boss had left a message for me last night saying that I didn't have to come in today. Since I was in the neighborhood with nothing to do, I picked up the Bruce Wayne:Murder graphic novel that was in Barnes & Noble. I thought the story was pretty interesting and it was a good idea, but I didn't like the fact that the book just ended with Batman forsaking the Bruce Wayne identity. They never told who did it, they never really brought closure to the whole thing. It just ended with Sasha in jail and Batman going on his own. There were just some things that happened that didn't seem like Batman. Why would he pick up the murder weapon and touch the body at the crime scene? Couldn't he have found a better way to dispatch the Neo-Nazis while he was in jail? It seemed like the book was all questions and no answers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gthureson Report post Posted August 10, 2002 Ah, but thats because it leads directly into 'Fugitive'. Where alot more stuff sorta goes unanswered, and the story meanders along at a snail's pace before the last few parts. 'Murderer' kicked ass. I liked it. It set up a good story and moved along at a brisk pace. 'Fugitive' dragged along, never seeming to get very far. And...too much happened off camera. You figure...Bruce escaping from prison....thats a Batman or a Detective story right? RIGHT? Nope. Happens off-cam at the end of Birds of Prey. Jackasses. And as a footnote to the whole Murderer/Fugitive thing, and to answer my Sascha question...apparently mysterious goverment agents spirit her out of prison, for mysterious government/quasi shadow-government reasons, and fake her death. Sending Batman out to do Batman stuff, in likely what is Rucka's last arc. I'm hoping it makes up for the last few months of not much of anything, really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
