Judgment day thoughts

[Guest]

OK so Judgment Day has come and past and I must say, better than I thought it would be.

 

First off the intro was pretty cool. I like the way the WWE team is able to make the intro to all their ppvs usually pretty interesting even if the ppv sucks.

 

RVD/Eddie G - Yeah the ending was lame and it STILL wasnt as good as the thought it would and could have been but way better than backlash. Ending still took away from it.

 

Stacy/Trish - Thankfully it was short, and I am glad trish won since she is half way decent in wrestling. I agree the whole dvon/buh buh rey was a little long but it got to the point. I somewhat like dvon's character and if developed more he could be a great heel.

 

Lesner-Heymen/Hardys - Not bad as the hardys flying around was kinda entertaining. Heymen getting the pin helps add heat to Lesner and Lesner still looks like a monster.

 

Austin/nWo - In the beginning Austin did soo well, I thought self, isnt flair and show suppose to be a "threat"? Austin winning doesnt surprise me at all. Hopefully Austin will get better opponents now that hes beaten the nWo and shown that the "poision" is no match for a snake.

 

Angle/Edge - I applaud this match for it was both pretty excitting and the wrestling was very good. I thought the ending rollup was a little unexpected and a big move should of been done instead but hey. The way they prolonged the shaving though was kinda dumb but at least it happend where I thought it may not have. Angle is Bald, ha!

 

HIAC - I dont know how everyone thought about this but to me it was very good. Yeah, HHH won, but that is not necessarily his fault but the dumb bookers. I wish people would stop blaming HHH for it is not all his fault. ANYway the match itself kinda combined elements used before. The way they got out of the cage was similar to the way HBK did at Badd Blood. I saw a ladder which was new to me but it wasnt used for high flying moves like I thought it may have. The barbed wire was rememberence of NWO 2000 and Cactus Jack which was cool. Noone took a huge bump from the cell, didnt surprise me though. They destory the table with that ddt which was cool and the variety of weapons used was also cool. Jericho with the Walls on top of the cell, again very cool. The pedigree on top of the cell kicked too. So even without the "holy crap" bumps I think this was a pretty memorable HIAC, when we look back at it I think we will see the table spot and the pedigree/Wall of Jericho on top of cell as well. Jericho's face after the match from the top of the cell looking down was good. That crazed expression he had knowing he lost was priceless. So HHH won, its not the worst thing the wwE has done.

 

Billy-Chuck/Rikishi-Rico: Stupidity sets in here. Noone cared and I didnt either. Why didnt Rico tag in, kick rikshi off the ropes, and then lay down for his team? Oh well I dont care.

 

Taker/Hogan - Hip Hip Hooorah!!! Ahh the match sucked of course, Hogan refusing to sell and go down was pathetic, it was slow but the orange and yellow goblin is NO LONGER CHAMP! UT is champ and even if that is still no good it is BETTER than HOGAN! Now for the love of god DONT put the belt on the orange devil again vince!!!

 

Bottom Line - Well I wouldnt go out of my way to get the replay. The three matches that looked good on paper delivered and hogan loosing the title made me happy with the ppv.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

You know....if HHH can interject and say that Brock shouldn't KO people...

 

...he can interject and say...

 

"Hey...maybe Jericho should win...we're kinda killing him...(poses...spits water)"

 

He sure loves the business...

 

I can't wait for Taker vs. HHH next month.

[Guest Kinetic]

I liked the show, personally.  I try to be as positive about these things as possible.  Sure, Triple H beat Jericho clean when he didn't have anything to gain from doing so but...it was a great match.  And three good matches--no matter how much asinine booking is involved--is about as much as you can expect from the WWE at this point.

[Guest Black Tiger]

There are two things I liked that most people hated.

 

Eddie's using the ropes, I liked it because it shows that Eddie can't beat RVD and they'll do one more blowoff and RVD will win.

 

The Angle/Edge end was good because since Edge didn't win in a convincing fashion, they can do one more match and have Angle win to keep his heat.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I don't mind Eddy winning...and the feet on the ropes is fine with me...and I liked that Edge won on a semi-fluke.

 

SO I guess I agree.

[Guest Human Fly]

"Eddie's using the ropes, I liked it because it shows that Eddie can't beat RVD and they'll do one more blowoff and RVD will win"

 

I like Eddie winning so that hopefully RVD will get a match with the Undertaker. He got decent matches out of him before. RVD is also over enough to warrant a main event match. And, it would be something different.

[Guest Mole]

I thought Judgement Day was better then expected.

 

RVD/Eddy - Good match, a little slow at times, but RVD working on the back shows he is improving as a wrestler.

***3/4

 

Trish/Stacy - I don't get it, aren't they on different brands? How did this match work? I missed Smackdown. Atleast the match was short. Plus, how are D-Von and Buh Buh feuding, when they are on different programs?? That doesn't make sense.

I don't rate women matches

 

Lesnar & Heyman/Hardy Boyz - Atleast Heyman didn't really do anything in the match. Match was okay, but we get it, Lesnar is a monster and he can kick ass. I say sign Goldberg and build Lesnar up more, then have him defeat Goldberg clean.

*1/2

 

SCSA/nWo - This was better then I expected. Flair still has the goods, and SCSA looked like he cared a little more tonight. The exchanging of the chops was great.

***

 

Angle/Edge - Best match of the night. I didn't see Backlash, so I don't know which was better. It's good that Edge went over, it didn't hurt Angle, but it helped Edge.

**** 1/4

 

Jericho/HHH - This was much better then I thought. It was more of the Badd Blood HIAC then Foley's HIAC. Different kind of booking at the end, with the pin being on top of the cage.

***3/4

 

Billy&Chuck/Fat man&Rico - Didn't really get into this match, worst match of the night, next to the women's match. Wrong team went over, but that's the WWE for ya.

*

 

Hogan/Taker - Well, atleast they got the title off of Hogan, but they put it on Taker. They should stick the title on SCSA on Raw tomorrow. Does this mean Hogan is on Raw now??

*1/2

 

Overall, good PPV. The Booker T segments were funny, but he needs to be a face, but thats one of the 100 things I'd change about WWE. The last two matches sucked, but the rest was good.

[Guest Kinetic]

Trish/Stacy - I don't get it, aren't they on different brands? How did this match work? I missed Smackdown.

Trish is the Women's champion, so she can appear on both shows.

 

I don't rate women matches

 

Are you of the "barefoot and pregnant" mentality?

[Guest Smeghead]

How are D-Von and Buh Buh feuding, when they are on different programs?? That doesn't make sense.

I thought about that too, and I have a theory:

 

KOR Finals

Bubba Ray Dudley vs. D-Von Dudley

 

Now that I've said that, both Dudleys will probably be eliminated in the qualifiers.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

RVD/Eddy was solid, but again, rather inconclusive in the continuation of this feud. It didn't really build off of the previous match, and the back work didn't seem to really affect the outcome at all. As an aside, were JR and King's attempts at making Latino jokes through out the match the most pathetic display from them so far, or was that just me?

 

Austin Vs. nWo was not ***. If that's three stars, then the tag title match was **1/2. Why they gave this match the time they did just boggles my mind.

 

Speaking of the tag title match, it was an obomination. Wow, and it was the semi-main event, too. Can someone explain this to me?

 

Edge/Angle was a good match, but the feud in itself is just terribly booked. Thank God it's over, and I'll leave it at that.

 

HHH/Jericho was great, but not MOTYC to me. I enjoyed it, but I found it very contrived, like most of the recent "WWF Hardcore Brawls" of this nature. Then again, HHH/Austin won Match of the Year last year, and this was better, so I guess most WWF fans are vampires at heart.

 

The main event was what it was. God, the WWE is WCW.

 

Overall, I found the card mediocre. Great work from some guys, but lots of the goofiness and time-wasting crap was just inexscusable. Next time, they should try actually planning the PPV more than three weeks in advance.

[Guest Kinetic]

Speaking of the tag title match, it was an obomination. Wow, and it was the semi-main event, too. Can someone explain this to me?

As far as I can tell, they're putting these Tag Title matches that no one cares about in between *good* main event-level matches and whatever Hogan's doing so he doesn't look bad by comparison.  It isn't working.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

As far as I can tell, they're putting these Tag Title matches that no one cares about in between *good* main event-level matches and whatever Hogan's doing so he doesn't look bad by comparison.  It isn't working.

Good point, but I'm afraid all this does is make people run for cover at the semi main event, instead of the main event. That's a little counter-productive, if you ask me.

[Guest papacita]

I thought the PPV was very good.

 

RVD and Eddie...I usually don't pay much attention to workrate and all, but I noticed a definite improvement in RVD. Match was nice and I liked the dueling backslides in the end. Hopefully, next time they'll use more TV time to build up the rivalry between these two.

 

Trish and Stacy: Trish is my favorite "diva" right now so anything she does will get a good review from me. Match was short and surprisingly entertaining. The post-match shit with the Dudleyz made little sense to me though.

 

Heyman/Lesnar Vs. the Hardyz: See this match would've made a lot more sense if they had Heyman playing the slimey asshole like he was before Backlash. They really didn't do a good job of making me feel that the Hardyz needed to get their hands on Heyman. Match was ok otherwise.

 

Austin/nWo: I got a phone call during the middle of the match and tuned out, missing the ending. Can't rate this, but Austin's stuff doesn't even hold my attention anymore.

 

Angle/Edge: Great match. Fluke roll-up was a nice touch. BTW: If anytime was a good time for Ed Leslie to make a guest appearence in the WWE, it was tonight!

 

HIAC: I disagree with the guy who said this was better than Austin/HHH from No Way Out. The match was solid though. I was a little disappointed that nobody took the big bump. A part of me just wanted Mike Chioda to go flying off the roof through the announce table. It gets interesting to see the WWE think up new ways to get the wrestlers out of that Cell. And why do they always climb to the roof? Oh well...

 

I refuse to comment on that dumb ass Tag Title match.

 

Taker/Hogan: Good. Honestly, I don't think that Taker should've gone over here, not because I want Hogan to be the champ (I HATE HOGAN) but because that's 3 title changes in 3 PPV's. I don't want this to turn into 1999 again with title change after title change until the belt loses value. I feel they should've at least waited until KOTR and maybe put the title on HHH, Austin or Jericho. As for the match itself, I give Taker and Hogan a lot of credit. They went out there, tried to put out a good match and IMO they succeeded. No 5-star classic, but still good.

 

Other comments: You know...if Flair and Vince are seeing eye to eye now, what's the point of having the split?

 

And get Vince off of TV.

[Guest Cataclysm911]

maybe put the title on HHH..

Please dear Lord.. all I ask is that you don't grant this. Please. Anything but this.. gimme David Arquette again.. just not this.

[Guest alfdogg]

RVD-Eddy was light years ahead of their Backlash match.  THREE RVD chants broke out during the match, which means the sound crew must have been slacking off.  ***

 

Trish-Stacy - blown spots galore.  -*

 

Hardys-Lesnar/Heyman - I knew the finish to this as soon as it was announced.  The usual from the Hardys.  *

 

Austin-Flair/Show - Nothing you wouldn't see on RAW.  *1/2

 

Angle/Edge - MOTN once again.  And the best ending possible since they insisted on jobbing Angle clean.  ****

 

Jericho/HHH - Jericho wouldn't allow himself to be dragged down to HHH's level and got the best match out of him since the Ground Zero of Wrestling.  If I say everything I'm feeling about this, I'll be up all night, and since I have a job interview at 11:00, I'll leave it with I FUCKING HATE HHH AND I HOPE THE MOTHERFUCKER TEARS HIS QUAD AGAIN ON SMACKDOWN.  ***1/2

 

B&C-Rikishi/Rico - Would it have KILLED Vince to put the belts on Snow & Maven?  DUD

 

Hogan-Taker - Worst title match since...Backlash.  *

 

8 matches?  That doesn't seem right...

 

This must be the best night of HHH's life...He got to destroy Jericho again, and Angle & RVD both jobbed, too.

 

This will probably lead to HHH getting his WMX7 job back from UT.  Other predictions:

 

Flair/Austin

Hogan/Show

Jericho/Benoit?

[Guest]

JD Was better than i expected.

 

RVD VS Eddie this was alot better than there Backlash match and Rob Really seems to Really be improving. The Ending was Alright Because it Didn't take Van Dam's Credibility away from Him I would Of like to have seen RVD win the title but if this means he will be pushed into the Upper Card of Raw instead of Bradshaw then Im Happy the match gets a ***1/2 stars.

 

Stacy VS Trish It was what i expected it to be The match Gets *.

 

Brock and Heyman Vs the Hardyz was alright Lesnar is still a monster and Heyman wasn't involved in the match alot and is now Undeafted the match gets **.

 

Austin Vs nWo alfdog said it best that it was Nothing you wouldn't see on RAW. *1/2

 

Angle vs Edge We all new that Edge was going over the match was good and the Ending made it Seem like it was a fluke saving Angle's Credibility. ***1/2

 

Jericho (The Living Legend) VS Triple H

 

Not what is was hoping for altough still good Both Men bleed

no big Bumps with a weird ending dame i hate the game.

 

Billy and Chuck Vs Rikishi and Rico what can i say it really sucked. *1/2

 

Hogan Vs Taker Im glad the strap's of hogan and on someone else but the title is being degraded. **

[Guest]

TAKER IS THE CHAMP! TAKER IS THE CHAMP! ALL MY CHRISTMASES AND BIRTHDAYS HAVE COME AT ONCE!!! MY GOD THE UNDERTAKER DETHRONED THAT USELESS MORONIC FOOL, HULK HOGAN! GOD BLESS YOU VINCE! UNDERTAKER RULES AGAIN BROOOOTHHHAAA!!!!!!!

 

Ahem...oh yeah, the rest was good too!

 

This has been a VERY happy Taker Mark

 

TAKER = CHAMP!

[Guest nWoScorpion]

Eddy/RVD (ere ve de, lol): Good match, but it didn't tell any story, but the match was their. **1/2.

 

Trish/Stacey: Hey, some good ass shots, and thats it. DUD

The Dvon/Bubba altercation was good, but how can they settle something between them when ones on Raw and other on smackdown.

 

Brock/Heyman/Hardys: Squash,. but seeing the Hardyz beat on them both was fun. *1/4.

 

Austin/Flair&Show: First time in a LOOOONG time Austin's wrestled on PPV before 9:00pm (not counting a tournamnet). Petty good match suprisingly, and no Booker T, so that shows he doesn't really care about Flair/X-suck/Slow. **1/2.

 

Angle/Edge: Almost as good as their last match, but the ending seemed kinda funny. The aftermatch stuff was hilarious. ***.

 

HHH/Jericho: Good match, no sick bump, but you had some stiff shots with ladders, steel steps, a table bump, fighting on the cell. Plus the ref bladed! Jericho shoulda won though. ***1/2.

 

B&C/R&R: Didnt watch it. NR

 

Hogan/TakeR: here's where I get bias. Yes, I wanted Hogan to win badly, but also, I wanted Taker to have the title since like June 2000. If it was a clean match i'd probably like Taker more, but it wasn't. *1/2.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

I thought about that too, and I have a theory:

 

KOR Finals

Bubba Ray Dudley vs. D-Von Dudley

 

Now that I've said that, both Dudleys will probably be eliminated in the qualifiers

Wow, could you imagine the (justifiable) outcry if both Dudleys were in the finals?

[Guest cabbageboy]

Eh, I dunno about the RVD/Eddie match not telling a story.  In terms of stuff like "this guy works the other guy's leg to set up a figure 4" I don't guess so.  It did tell a story in two ways:  1.  RVD still can't get the 5 star on Eddie in a singles match.  2.  Eddie has to cheat like a bastard to beat RVD.

[Guest Mole]

Trish/Stacy - I don't get it, aren't they on different brands? How did this match work? I missed Smackdown.

Trish is the Women's champion, so she can appear on both shows.

 

Oh yeah, my bad.

 

I don't rate women matches

 

Are you of the "barefoot and pregnant" mentality?

 

No, women wrestling just sucks.

[Guest]

RVD-Vs-Eddie-Guerrero.***1/2

Trish-Stratus-Vs.-Stacy-Keibler.DUD!

Paul-Heyman-And-Brock-Lesnar-Vs-The-Hardyz.*

Austin-Vs-Ric-Flair-And-The-Big-Show.*1/2

Kurt-Angle-Vs.-Edge.***3/4

HHH-Vs-Chris-Jericho.***3/4

Billy-And-Chuck-Vs-Rikishi-And-Rico.DOUBLE-DUD!

Hogan-Vs-Taker.DUD!

 

Notes:

 

Where-was-the-OH-MY-GAWD-moment-during-the-Hell-In-A-Cell?

 

Kurt-Angle-Vs-Edge-Match-Of-The-Night.

 

The-Tag-Team-Championship-doesn't-mean-Shit-anymore.

Neither-does-the-Undisputed-Championship.

 

Let-The-Era-Of-The-Undeseller-Begin.

[Guest ManKinnd]

RVD/Eddy - ***1/2. Great match, but not the super awesome spectacular we were expecting.

Trish/Stacy - 1/4*. Whatever.

Hardys/Heyman+Lesnar - 3/4*. Good little psychology about Hardys having to work together and bend the rules to get offense in on Lesnar, and an acceptable finish.

Austin/NWO - *3/4. Not really bad, and I'm left wanting Austin vs. Flair so Show doesn't have to ruin it every time the match started to get good.

Angle/Edge - ****1/2. Match was excellent save the beginning slowness and the two restholds, except it was cool that the sleeper Angle used on Edge came back later in the night when Edge used it on Angle to get him in the barber chair.

HIAC - ****1/4. Wow. Spotfest of a HIAC, which really hasn't been done before, and remembering the old matches was cool, I think. Lots of great visuals, but HHH won again. Ugh.

Billy+Chuck/Rico+Rikishi - 1/2*. Well, you know...

Hogan/Taker - NR. Honestly didn't pay much attention to it, but it was probably around DUD.

 

Overall a weird PPV where each match was basically on one extreme or the other. 3 really good matches and 5 really bad matches. It was enough to entertain me for 3 hours though; only problem I had with it was Austin/nWo got too much time.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I thought that Eddy vs. RVD told a pretty good story by todays WWE standards.

 

Last match Eddy worked over RVDs back and used that move I can't remember the name of.

 

This match RVD worked over Eddys back and did the same thing to him.

 

Unfortunately they were only given 11 minutes to work with...they really seemed on pace to do something special IMO.

[Guest]

TAKER IS THE CHAMP! TAKER IS THE CHAMP! ALL MY CHRISTMASES AND BIRTHDAYS HAVE COME AT ONCE!!! MY GOD THE UNDERTAKER DETHRONED THAT USELESS MORONIC FOOL, HULK HOGAN! GOD BLESS YOU VINCE! UNDERTAKER RULES AGAIN BROOOOTHHHAAA!!!!!!!

 

Ahem...oh yeah, the rest was good too!

 

This has been a VERY happy Taker Mark™

 

TAKER = CHAMP!

Now we just need someone to dethrone that useless moronic fool the Taker.

[Guest Dangerous A]

Oh boo fucking hoo, Jericho lost. Unfortunately it has to be that way because Jericho vs Taker is not going to draw because of the heel vs heel. I'm not saying HHH vs Taker is lighting my world on fire, but it makes more sense, business wise, than a heel vs heel program that is doomed to fail.

[Guest Anglesault]

Wasn't HHH/Taker cancelled like a month ago because no one wanted to see it?

[Guest Dangerous A]

Actually it was nixed because they wanted to put the title on Hogan. We all have seen where that has gone.

[Guest Anglesault]

The poor reaction to the challenge on raw contributed as well.

[Guest Dangerous A]

That was a contributing factor as well. Business wise, it sounded like a good idea to go away from the HHH vs Taker program and get the title on Hogan to take advantage of his new found popularity. Unfortunately Hogan is like a Sith from Star Wars. He has the ability to cloud bookers and writers thoughts and make them believe that he is actually still a draw. Hogan knows how to pop a crowd. No one can doubt this. He works a crowd like only Austin or Rock can. But it doesn't translate to ratings or interest because while fans don't mind seeing Hogan, they don't want to see main event storylines built around him. Dusty Rhodes could come in and do exactly what Bubba Dudley is doing (which Bubba stole by the way) and get an awesome reaction because he knows how to work a crowd doing his thing. But that doesn't mean we need to give Dusty the undisputed title and let him run with it. Unfortunately for a lot of folks, HHH does get decent ratings when he is on tv. He may not pop the crowd when he works or when he cuts a promo, but for some reason or another, people tune in to see him. They tune in to see Angle too, it's just that he is getting stuck with head shaving programs. WWE putting the title on Taker was a bad idea. It should've been Angle. The "Real American" storyline was already built into it plus Angle could carry a trash can to a 3 star match right now. I'm not just saying this to kiss Anglesault's ass(cause I don't like to kiss just anyone's ass) but he is right in his gripe that Angle needs to be fighting Hogan and HHH and challenging for the undisputed and not in an elevating angle with Edge. HHH is the one who should be in the elevating feud with Edge. I thought their stuff on SD was good. Hopefully WWE bookers and writers were watching.