Undertaker injured

[Guest]

I thought this was interesting

 

The Undertaker suffered a hip/sciatic injury during the opening segment of Raw with Rob Van Dam on Monday. Backstage, Taker was told that he shouldn't work that evening and could have taken the night off but he refused. Instead, he worked with RVD and did his best to get him over so kudos to The Undertaker for that.

 

After reading Foley's book, I understand how painful of an injury that can be

[Guest FakeRazor]

Nice to see the Undertaker's work ethic has somewhat improved.

[Guest Some Guy]

Uh....... How did he get RVD over?  He put his foot on the rope so RVD never even really pinned him, then the Dusty Finish and RVD got squashed.  I don't see how he helped him get over.  He did sell for him more than usual but aside from that Taker didn't do much for him.  If they really wanted him over it would have been a non title matcha and RVD would have gone over clean with the Frog Splash leading to a title win at KOTR.

[Guest Ash Ketchum]

Gotta give him credit of working through that.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

The Undertaker suffered a hip/sciatic injury during the opening segment of Raw with Rob Van Dam on Monday.

::CWM puts away his voodoo doll::

 

gee if he's injured they should put the belt on someone healthy

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Hey, that's what happens when senor citizens are supposed to carry the promotion.

 

At least we don't have to sit through a month of Taker as champion before the next employee of the month gets the title.

[Guest dreamer420]

taker is going to work through his injury and remain champion for at least 4 months would be my guess.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I do think that Taker has done alot to get RVD over.

 

Just looking at the Raw match:

 

First he comes out and beats the crap out of him...then RVD gets the upperhand, spoils the UT's first night as champion and makes RVD look more "INTENSE" and a credible threat.

 

Then Taker asks for a match but doesn't seem happy about the title being on the line...furthering the idea that RVD is a threat.

 

Then RVD controlls most of the match and it takes Taker hitting him from behind (while RVD is taking out Flair) to get Taker the win.

 

Add to that the fact that Taker sold all of this like he was in trouble...and sold RVDs offense throughout.

 

Taker has done alot for RVD IMO.

 

Unlike the Jericho/HHH matches...RVD has come out of the losses looking better each time...wheras Jericho comes out looking like someone who has no business in the same ring as HHH.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

I do think that Taker has done alot to get RVD over.

 

Just looking at the Raw match:

 

First he comes out and beats the crap out of him...then RVD gets the upperhand, spoils the UT's first night as champion and makes RVD look more "INTENSE" and a credible threat.

 

Then Taker asks for a match but doesn't seem happy about the title being on the line...furthering the idea that RVD is a threat.

 

Then RVD controlls most of the match and it takes Taker hitting him from behind (while RVD is taking out Flair) to get Taker the win.

 

Add to that the fact that Taker sold all of this like he was in trouble...and sold RVDs offense throughout.

 

Taker has done alot for RVD IMO.

 

Unlike the Jericho/HHH matches...RVD has come out of the losses looking better each time...wheras Jericho comes out looking like someone who has no business in the same ring as HHH.

I'm going to have to disagree with that one.

 

1) He came out and destroyed RVD like he was nothing and could be done away with on a wim. Granted, RVD got up and gave him a fight, but it seemed more like the refs were saving RVD from Taker's wrath by pulling him off to me. The set-up for HHH/Jericho was much better, in my opinion, because it made Jericho look smart by insulting Steph and tricking Hunter into putting the title on the line.

 

2) Taker did sell more for RVD than most people he wrestles, but he controlled plenty of the match.

 

3) The false finish was made to look like Taker intentially didn't kick out of the Rolling Thunder because his foot was on the ropes. Since the Rolling Thunder is deffinately not a finisher, it hardly looked like Taker put his foot on the rope out of desperation. It was merely that he wanted to save himself the effort of kicking out by putting his foot on the rope, but got screwed by a stupid refferee. Jericho/HHH saw Jericho sneak attack Hunter while he argued with Hebner and hit his own finisher, which, once again, showed his ability to play off of Hunter being a hot-head. It just made Jericho look smarter.

 

4) Once the decision was reversed, Taker quickly hit his finisher as if RVD has just been getting lucky the entire time. To me that was very lame, even if Taker was injurred.

 

I think this really just, as Keith said, cuts RVD's legs out from under him. I mean, if this is a push, then the Rey Misterio Jr. Vs. Kevin Nash feud was a push.

[Guest]

I think it helped in that it showed RVD getting PISSED.  Its a different side to what was a 2 dimensional character in my mind.

[Guest Redhawk]

If Taker had put his foot on the rope intentionally, he would have popped up immediately after the three-count to protest.

 

The refs didn't seem to be saving RVD. Of course Taker beat his ass early on, when he snuck up froom behind, but RVD recovered and got the frog splash.

 

Taker controlled the match because he's supposed to. He's a lot bigger than RVD, he's "the veteran," and he's the World champ.

[Guest]

I am 22 years old and hurt my back at work 2+ weeks ago.  I injured a disk, popped my hips out of place, and bent my spine a bit.  I have been to a chiropractor almost every day since.  I am only now SEMI feeling back to normal.  The first 2 days after it happened I was basically crippled.  To read that the Undertaker wrestled after popping his hip out and having pressure on the sciatic nerve (which basically almost causes your legs to go numb as they are extremely tingly) is absolutely amazing.  It really is.  The guy might not be the best worker in the world (he's not exactly my favorite) but this is why he is such a leader.  Speaking from experience, I would like to say that what he did on Monday by wrestling is truly an amazing feat.  I don't like him, and I know most of you don't either, but I got to give it up to him.  I'm not sure you guys realized how unbearable the pain is of a hip being out of place and pressure on that sciatic nerver.  It is crippling.

[Guest goodhelmet]

Hey props to the Taker for working through the pain, but if the motherfucker was so hurt then he should have dropped the belt in convincing fashion to allow a younger and more talented wrestler to get over. I always claimed Taker was a walking cripple but now it is more true than ever. Fuck the Taker. If he doesn't drop the belt Monday then I feel no pity for him.

[Guest]

Ummm you do know that it isn't technically Taker's decision right?

[Guest bravesfan]

RVD is still posed as an underdog to the Undertaker's title, but Monday's build-up continued the fact that RVD has the Undertaker's proverbial "number" (Example: Their match a few weeks ago, that earned UT a contender match with Austin, but RVD gave UT a run for his money.)

 

It's not like the Undertaker shouldn't be dominating him; RVD is a small, aerial wrestler already bloodied by an earlier altercation, who had lost his title match the previous night. It's not like RVD was on a "hot streak".

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Poor Taker.  Im sure someone has some pain pills he can borrow..

[Guest nWoScorpion]

UT definitly put RVD over.

 

1st, RVD gets his ass whooped, but coems back for more (and eventually nails UT with his finisher)

 

2nd, RVD pretty much controlled 90% of their match, granted a few moves by Taker.

 

3rd, He got probably the loudest pop when he was announced as champion, making him look like a credible world contender.

 

4th, he jobbed the match in only his 3rd world title match in WWE.

 

I say he has to do more before being given the strap. (cough:diesel1994:cough)

[Guest goodhelmet]

"Ummm you do know that it isn't technically Taker's decision right?"

 

I understand that but I'm sure Taker has a little bit of creative control and could veto a job to RVD. He's old, hurt and needs to drop the belt. No better time than Monday. Hell, he could even use some of his pull to insist RVD wins the belt. If he loves the business so much then he'll recognize his holding the title is hurting the company more than helping it.

[Guest]

Hey Marvinisalunatic, there are no pain pills that can block out the pain of a dislocated hip and pressure on the sciatic nerve.  Trust me, I've tried.  Here's hoping you never have to endure such pain, and if you do, you have someone act more sympathetic towards you then the way you're acting.  

 

The STORYLINE was for Taker to go over.  He sucked it up and went through with the storyline.  I don't think he has any creative control.  When have we ever heard anything about him having a say in anything.  Not even Bret Hart had creative control when it was in his contract.  The only people that have ever had it are Hogan and the Clique.  Hogan because he's a great business man, and the clique b/c they're a bunch of babies.

[Guest MarvinisaLunatic]

Well Boo Hoo.  Poor Taker has a pinched nerve and now were all supposed to have this newfound respect for him because he worked through one lousy match with the pain.  Hmm. I find it sort of hypocritical in a way..

[Guest]

Do you know what a pinched sciatic nerve is?  It just doesn't cause pain.  It causes your legs to go numb, and you can't bend at the waist without extreme pain in your back.

[Guest TheBucsFan]

Well Boo Hoo.  Poor Taker has a pinched nerve and now were all supposed to have this newfound respect for him because he worked through one lousy match with the pain.  Hmm. I find it sort of hypocritical in a way..

Well if you can't respect him for that, what WILL you respect him for?

[Guest]

Well if you can't respect him for that, what WILL you respect him for?

With all the hateful resentment of the man here, it wouldn't surprise me if someone responded with "killing himself"

[Guest Ace309]

Well Boo Hoo.  Poor Taker has a pinched nerve and now were all supposed to have this newfound respect for him because he worked through one lousy match with the pain.  Hmm. I find it sort of hypocritical in a way.

 

The sciatic nerve is really MUCH MUCH MUCH more painful than anyone here seems to realize, and I'd be willing to wager that a lot of people here have taken a ten-minute time-out after being dinged in the balls.

[Guest El Satanico]

Whether or not we see it as Undertaker putting over RVD doesn't matter. What matters is that because of what happened Monday the fans who aren't "smarks" now see RVD as someone who is a threat to guys like Undertaker. Since the fans who aren't "smarks" can now buy RVD as a legit main eventer it would be alot easier to for WWeee to put the belt on RVD in the near future if they plan to.

 

Sure it would've been nice if WWeee would've grown some balls and had RVD win it Monday. But come on we all know they wouldn't take the risk yet. Besides it would be better if RVD won the belt at the ppv after some build up. I doubt that RVD vs. Undertaker will be the big fued going into KOTR(unless Undertaker asks for it backstage) but still Undertaker helped RVD out even if he still beat him.

 

But even with that said don't label me as a Undertaker fan. I once was but i haven't been for several years. I'll respect him when he drops the title to a "young" up and comer at a ppv then comes out on the after PPV Raw and announces his retirement.

[Guest Brian]

Just a thought, but if they put the title on RVD, would it be that great of an idea? I realize he's over and people assume that makes him a draw, but like Jericho in 2000, is he ready? Can he work through his shortcomings? Can he carry two programs?

[Guest WildPegasusXXII]

If he loves the business so much then he'll recognize his holding the title is hurting the company more than helping it.

You were able to figure this out after the Undertaker holding the belt for 1 day? explain that please.

 

Besides, I don't think the Taker would insist on only losing the belt to 1 person. He may have some kind of veto power, but he's not stupid. Besides, as has been stated by myself and many others, RVD is not ready, character wise, or wrestling wise to hold the title. As much as the same three people want RVD to have the title for a 16 year run or something rediculous like that, it won't happen anytime soon...trust in Vince...he's not as stupid as he seems sometimes. If he doesn't think RVD should be the champion, then he shouldnt. When RVD wins the title, then he wins the title. He doesn't even need the title, really.

I can't wait for the day that RVD loses the title, given he ever actually wins it...this board will go so apeshit, it'll probably go over on its allotments and shut down, and I'll laugh.

[Guest Some Guy]

Just a thought, but if they put the title on RVD, would it be that great of an idea? I realize he's over and people assume that makes him a draw, but like Jericho in 2000, is he ready? Can he work through his shortcomings? Can he carry two programs?

You don't know until you try it.  Did they know if HHH could carry 2 shows before they put the balt on him (before he was even as over as RVD is now)?  Did they know if Foley could carry 2 shows (Raw ans Heat at the time) before he got the strap?  etc...  WWF needs to do something different, they did something different in 1984 and it boomed, they did something different in 1997 and it boomed even bigger.  Change catches people and holds them, stagnation and repetitive booking looses people and turns them off.  If RVD doesn't work now then they can try Benoit when he gets back, the ring work will hold their core audience until "the next big thing" comes along (I don't mean Lesnar, just the next WWF revolution)

 

RVD was ready in Sept. last year, like Jericho was in May 2000.  Then they jobbed him a bit too much and he lost some of his heat.  He is regaining it now and by July if he has a solid push he will be ready to take the strap and go for a while, If they have Austin/Benoit on Raw and Rock back on SD! then they should be able to do well with RVD as champ.

[Guest dreamer420]

Putting the title on RVD would be like putting the title on Bret Hart back in 1992 and I think that was a ballsy but great idea.  When Bret won the title back in 1992 it made me interested in the world title for a change.  I was always more interested in the IC and tag titles, mainly because I was getting tired of the same guys holding the world title all the time.  The IC belt switched around more frequently between wrestlers that I enjoyed watching more than Hogan, Savage, and Flair go at it.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

this is why I created the who is the best choice for champ thread.

 

Who can carry two shows?

 

HHH is over as hell now...so I think he could.

 

Austin sure could...but that means twice as much WHAT?

 

What would they do with RVD on 2 shows?

 

As it is now the champ seems to wrestle on one show and do an interview on the other.

 

They don't let RVD do promos...and he wants to be in the ring more anyway...so I would love to see him on 2 shows wrestling on both instead.

 

Thats what made Bret Hart a credible champion to the marks (cause you know..he wasn't a hoss)...the stigma of being "the fightingest champion of all time" (you all remember that right?  

 

So...could a guy get over as a champion now...if he *GASP* just defended the title alot?