Wolverine #175

[Guest Flyboy]

Got through reading it... (the whole series of 173, 174, and 175 actually).. and...

 

SPOILERS

 

Wolverine dies?  What?  C'mon.. that can't be right.  For once, I want Marvel to do the traditional thing and bring him back.  Heh.. I'm complaining even before #176 is out, but still.  

 

Marvel can't kill the guy the comic revolves around... can they?    Not my favorite!

[Guest gthureson]

He won't be dead permanently.

 

Maybe for a few issues, before he makes his triumphant return...that is, if there are any secondary characters that the book can revolve around for an arc.  I don't know.  I don't read it.

 

But Wolverine is likely too much of a moneymaker to kill off.

[Guest starvenger]

>Wolverine dies?  What?  C'mon.. that can't be right.

 

Eh, he's an X-Man.  They've pretty much all died and came back at one point or another.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

What the bloody hell happened?  The last Wolverine I read was the one right before AOA where he killed Sabertooth

[Guest]

176 came out recently, and i'm not going to spoil it for you, lets just say, if you didn't read origins, you get to find out his real name. abit of a spoiler though, colosus has alittle spot in it. and we all (or should) know what happened to him

[Guest Flyboy]

Yep...  I read it, today.

 

I was shocked that it tied in with Origins...

 

Damned good storyline they have going on here.

[Guest]

yes it is a good story, and the art if fantasic. sean chen is not only a cool guy, but a superb penciler.

[Guest gthureson]

You can spoil it for me, 'cause I didn't buy Origins and I don't read Wolverine.

[Guest areacode212]

Yeah, spoil it for me too (just add spoiler space when you do). I'm pretty curious about how it ties in with Origin.

 

Speaking of which, how many Origin references have been seen in the regular X-books since the mini-series started? Cassandra addressed Logan as "James" in New X-Men. Any others?

[Guest]

fine

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wolverines real name is james, when he was young he was a sickly child(kind of ironic, don't you think?), he ran away to canada using the name logan, which was the name of the grounds keeper. i haven't read the last part yet, so i can't tell you the full story.

[Guest areacode212]

Actually, I meant spoil how Wolverine dies and how do Colossus & Origin fit in?

 

BTW, welcome to the board!

[Guest Flyboy]

Spoilers:

 

 

 

 

 

In comic #174 his powers are taken from him (his healing factor).  I forgot how... have to read it again.    He finds out his foster daughter Amiko has been kidnapped and goes to search for her.  Omega Red and that woman with the really long claws.. oh shit, the name slips me, but they kidnapped her.  They were working for Sabretooth.  After a hellacious battle, between Sabre and Wolvie, just as Wolve is about to kill Sabre (or was it the other way around?  Damn memory) the Weapon X Program people come in and stop him and take in Sabretooth.  Wolverine is severely hurt, and dies from the loss of blood he's had since he can't heal himself.  Wolverine is looking back on his life with a woman that looks just like Jean.  (Actually, it's the woman from the Origin series).  She tells him to get back to the real world, he must learn not to lash out at all his problems and not to withdraw from hurtful emotionally situations.  There's a door to the world, but behind Wolverine sees all his nemisises behind him (Cyber, etc.)... so being Wolverine he doesn't go through the door quite yet and goes to fight them.  As the numbers pound on him (it's like 10 guys), Colossus comes and helps him.  Colossus tells Wolverine to tell them, "That I'm at peace now... I'm with my little snowflake." (his daughter)  As Wolverine is about to go through the door, the door slams on him, as the woman tells Wolverine that was his last chance.  "I'm not Jean... either."  "What... who... are you, then?"  "Goodbye, James."  Then, Wolverine revives because his healing factor comes back to him.  He was "dead" for technically 14 minutes.  He's on a Weapon X helicopter, and they were about to take him somewhere until Wolverine foiled that plan.  The comic ends with Wolverine thinking was that a dream or "real"?  Amiko comes back to Wolverine all healthy (Sabretooth had really fucked her up), and gives Wolverine a note.  The note was from the Director (head of the Weapon X program) and sends his apologizes, blah.  Wolverine throws the note away and Wolverine and Amiko walk off to get something to eat.  

 

[Guest]

couldn't have said it better myself. though you did forget to mention that wolvie and piotor (sp) did a fast ball special one last time, one wolvie throwing piotor.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

Damnit I'm sorry for being the pest who asks old questions but what happened to Colossus? I knew he was dead, never knew how, and wondered. Last thing I remember was him meeting up with the X-men in his Acolyte geat (Excalibur(one with the Nightcrawler hologram) His metal shell was taken off (somehow he couldn't get out) and then he just went back to it and went back to being with Magneto.

 

Please someone help, I hate I stopped reading so long ago, but damn I have questions wheny you guys bring up this shit.

 

Thanks for anyone with patience

 

Dan: The mark of X-Men

[Guest Flyboy]

Colossus died by injecting himself with the "cure" for the Legacy Virus..

 

The Legacy Virus is (or is it was, now?) a virus that only mutants got inflected with causing them to be sick, loss their powers, and after awhile die.  I think Mystique caused it.

 

The "cure" would be released to all the world (curing all the mutants and such) if someone was to scarfice themselves and release the cure, so that's what Colossus did trying to save people.

 

Whether or not that was the actual cure or not is yet to be seen... does anyone know if that WAS the cure or not?

[Guest Just call me Dan]

Cool, thanks.

 

Another tidbit, didn't he rejoin the X-Men and shake off being with Magneto a good bit before that or did he stay with Magneto until his "end" and just happened to take one for the mutants of the world?

[Guest Flyboy]

I really don't know about the last question, but... I do have some more info on the Legacy Virus if you want it.

 

Chronology Of The Legacy Virus

 

Casualities of the Legacy Virus

 

Profile Of The Legacy Virus

 

Site is pretty old, but has a shitload of info on X-Men/Mutants in general.  

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I just read the Wolverine Origin today.

 

 

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The girl I think you are talking about is Rose. She was the girl that Wolverine was in love with. Was the guy named "Dog" Sabretooth, or was my imagination running wild? Also, was Wolverine's grandfather a mutant with claws or were my eyes playing tricks on me? I was reading through the book quickly because I read it in Borders after I got off from work.

[Guest Vyce]

Was the guy named "Dog" Sabretooth, or was my imagination running wild?

 

I think that's the impression they want to give us, and on this board there has been some discussion as to whether or not it's true.

 

Personally, I don't think it is. Sabretooth has a healing factor as well, and Dog clearly has scars upon his face from Wolverine's claws....I would imagine that Sabretooth would have healed the wounds in the years since young James inflicted them upon him.

 

From a continuity standpoint, it'd also absolutely SUCK if they suddenly retconned things and made Dog the Sabretooth we know.

[Guest J*ingus]

Well, in theory he could've gotten the powers years later, through some wacky method like getting a blood transfusion from Logan, or even a Weapon X experiment. Who knows, it's Marvel, they change things around to whatever they want.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

Personally, I don't think it is. Sabretooth has a healing factor as well, and Dog clearly has scars upon his face from Wolverine's claws....I would imagine that Sabretooth would have healed the wounds in the years since young James inflicted them upon him.

 

From a continuity standpoint, it'd also absolutely SUCK if they suddenly retconned things and made Dog the Sabretooth we know.

 

I don't know about that. Wolverine was pretty frail and sickly as a boy, but later on his healing factor appeared. The same could have happened with Dog. I actually think it would make perfect sense for Dog to be Sabretooth because it seemed like the beginning of the book was used to make the readers think that Dog was Wolverine. Dog and his father both looked like Wolverine, and I believe an affair was being alluded to. Dog's father knew Woverine's mother pretty well, and it's quite possible that Dog and Wolverine could be brothers. Also, Wolverine and Sabretooth's intense hatred for each other would be given another layer if they were childhood friends that turned into bitter enemies.

 

Does anyone have any opinion about my other question? When Wolverine's grandfather was asking Dog to find Wolverine, I could have sworn that I saw a pair of gloved hands that had claws that were beginning to protrude. Whose hands were those? For some reason, I thought they were Wolverine's grandfather's hands.

[Guest Vyce]

I don't know about that. Wolverine was pretty frail and sickly as a boy, but later on his healing factor appeared. The same could have happened with Dog. I actually think it would make perfect sense for Dog to be Sabretooth because it seemed like the beginning of the book was used to make the readers think that Dog was Wolverine. Dog and his father both looked like Wolverine, and I believe an affair was being alluded to. Dog's father knew Woverine's mother pretty well, and it's quite possible that Dog and Wolverine could be brothers. Also, Wolverine and Sabretooth's intense hatred for each other would be given another layer if they were childhood friends that turned into bitter enemies.

I'll just stress my point again:

 

It would FUCKING SUCK if Dog winds up being Sabretooth. It would be dumb. Not even stupid dumb like "Hey, Vader really built C3P0!", but VERY MUCH SO dumb. I know this sounds silly, but if they pulled a stunt like that, just to sell a few books, I would abandon my X-comics.

 

Well, except for probably Exiles.

 

It's just a BAD idea.

 

That said, in another thread when this debate came up, I made the point that 99.9% of the time, mutant powers manifest during adolescence. Dog was clearly a grown man (as was Wolverine), mature, and his face was STILL not healed. Theoretically, his mutant powers should have manifested by then and healed his face, IF he was Sabretooth.

 

But this is comic books, so they'll find a way to do whatever they want with him.

 

I'm just saying that if he winds up being Sabretooth, it's gonna really piss me off.

[Guest raptor]

There are no gloced hands in that scene. There is a panel where Dog is cloaked in shadow, and there seems to be a glistening effect on his hand. I believe it's a printing error, but it does give a claw like effect.

[Guest J*ingus]

That said, in another thread when this debate came up, I made the point that 99.9% of the time, mutant powers manifest during adolescence. Dog was clearly a grown man (as was Wolverine), mature, and his face was STILL not healed. Theoretically, his mutant powers should have manifested by then and healed his face, IF he was Sabretooth.

Vyce, if reading Marvel has taught you anything, it should be that NOTHING is sacred.

 

Furthermore, somewhere in my possession I have an issue of Spider-Man where he fights what is apparently a rematch with Sabretooth. In that issue, 'Tooth had a bunch of scars on his face from a months-previous encounter with Spidey, where he'd tried to yank some webbing off his face and it hadn't gone very well. Later in the issue, Spidey re-opens those cuts while fighting him, and they bleed for a good long while. The healing factor is never even mentioned.

 

In conclusion, it's all just made-up anyway, and the guys who make it up often don't pay too close attention to it. So just don't worry about it.

[Guest Flyboy]

... this thread still alive?

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I couldn't find the one that was specfically about Origin, but this one mentioned it. Instead of starting another thread about it, I figured I would just use this one.

[Guest pochorenella]

Does anyone have any opinion about my other question? When Wolverine's grandfather was asking Dog to find Wolverine, I could have sworn that I saw a pair of gloved hands that had claws that were beginning to protrude. Whose hands were those? For some reason, I thought they were Wolverine's grandfather's hands

 

I know thw panel you're talking about, and no, those aren't the old man's hands. That's Wolvie's hand, only Rose is trying to show the old man the hand but he doesn't listen to her. A friend of mine was also confused about this, but I think it's pretty clear.

 

And regarding Dog being Sabertooth, I say thee nay! It would be a completely unnecesary plot twist and I hope they don't reveal it as such. I agree with the fact that he's got the scars so that disqualifies him, he should have had them healed by then if he was really Creed.

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I took a second look at it and it looks like my eyes were playing tricks on me. I was reading the book in a hurry the first time because I was reading it in the store.

 

Were the wounds inflicted upon Wolverine's mother caused by Wolverine or someone else?

[Guest pochorenella]

I think those scars Wolvie's mother had were done by his long-dead brother, who apparently was as sick a boy as Wolvie was, but unfortunately he died because of that. I think it's safe to assume that he also developed those claws as well.

[Guest MaskedWombat]

dog is not sabertooth. though it would be an odd twist, wolvie met victor long after.

if you want a really odd twist to the whole story, read paradise x #4, that one really f**ks with you mind on wolverine's origin.