Guest Big Poppa Popick Report post Posted February 14, 2002 and as for Mr. Perfect... I didn't see a problem with his skit...in his mind, he is perfect, and probably just as in his earlier years, fans will boo him cause he rubs it in their faces... Face it, if you constantly have everything going you way and through it in my face, im not gonna like you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted February 14, 2002 "Thats what bothers me about smarks and ric flair. He's several years older than Hogan, yet all the smarks rag on hogan for his age and worship the ground flair walks on. Im not saying hogan isnt old, but its a double standard. Flair is a freaking geezer, like it or not, and just like people say about hogan, he held people down, yet flair is this big shot and hogan is a piece of trash. I know hogan isnt half the worker that flair is, but he's twice the character, yet he gets no respect. So sue me, im a hogan mark, these things irk me. " Flair doesn't wrestle anymore, and yes we were complaining about him ruining his legacy when he was in WCW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted February 14, 2002 Mr Perfect was my first-ever favorite wrestler, when I first started watching the WWF in 1990, at the age of 14. It remains to be seen if Curt Hennig is still as good as he claims (and looks...no spare tyres there!). Ric Flair still looked okay back then, a decade ago. I'd actually like to see some angle where Ric Flair remembers Mr Perfect running him outta the WWF nine years ago, just before Hulk Hogan's swan song with the Mega-Maniacs stuff with Jimmy Hart. But honestly..I don't really wanna see Hogan OR Flair wrestle anymore. But I reckon Mr Perfect can still go. Can they? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lil Naitch Report post Posted February 14, 2002 Actually, I found the vignette to be quite funny. It shows him to be older and wiser, and willing to do anything to win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 14, 2002 Flair can still go. I respect what Hogan did for wrestling, but he's in it for himself. Flair knows time is running out and he's trying to make the most of what he has left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest snowfan Report post Posted February 14, 2002 Actually, I found the vignette to be quite funny. It shows him to be older and wiser, and willing to do anything to win. Still pretty darn *spiffy*-that was a funny rant. I think that the older guys can be used to slowly build up new guys over time if their ego allows. Hennig has always been willing to put young guys over. Hogan/Hall/Nash have not. Hennig is what 'good old' wrestlers do and H/H/N.... well they are what 'old old' wrestlers do. snowfan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted February 14, 2002 Ok, he also has a knee lift, a rolling neck snap, and a shin breaker... happy? Face it, Hennig has never been big on dropping a load of moves on people in his career, and if you think he has, you are wrong. ok.. so basically you haven't seen many of Hennig's matches I've seen tons of Hennig, including his entire WWF and WCw runs and just a tad bit of his way early AWA stuff teaming with his dad against The Road Warriors. The guy has never been about having a whole lot of moves in his moveset, but rather a whole bunch of overselling. The guy flops around like a cod out of water no matter what happens to him. A triple lutz into a flip is too much of a sell for a punch, yet when Hennig does it, its "genius" for some reason. Oh and if Verne Gagne has a good eye for talent, I have a whole bunch of women waiting to mate with me. This is the guy who let Hogan, The Road Warriors, and just about anyone with any bit of talent get away from him while giving title reigns to old timers like Larry Z., Nick Bockwinkle, and himself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BlackRainbow1025 Report post Posted February 14, 2002 Poor Scott Hall, you become a lush and hang out with old guys, you get labeled an old guy. I think Austin is as old as Hall. Sorry, that was off-topic. Anyway, you guys forgot to mention Perfect's standing dropkick! Geez.......that's his coolest move. I've always been a huge fan of Hennig's (and most guys in the IC Title hunt at that time). I think he still has it. That match with Val was going quite well, but of course, you have to have either Austin, Rock, HHH, or a McMahon on the screen every so many minutes, therefore Austin had to interfere. They should put Hennig in a feud with Edge next, mainly b/c Edge will win the IC title back at NWO I'm sure. Maybe Edge could learn something *gasp* EDIT: Better yet, have him take Christian under his wing since Christian is "in a slump". He can groom him to be the Perfect IC Champion or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Goodear Report post Posted February 14, 2002 Flair can still go. I respect what Hogan did for wrestling, but he's in it for himself. Flair knows time is running out and he's trying to make the most of what he has left. Seriously, this is what annoys me the most when people talk about Ric Flair, that he's somehow doing things for the good of the business and not for himself. You know, back in the day the NWA had one of the finest batches of young up and comers in the world in Sting, Barry Windham, and Lex (yeah, thats right) Luger. Did Flair ever put any one of them over him? Of course not! The only one who even got close was Sting, who won the belt at a Bash, was stuck a pitiful feud with the Black Scorpion and jobbed the belt right back to Flair at a house show. This is not a guy who looked out for others and I would love everyone to admit that he's not some saintly old wrestler who loves everyone. Hogan and Flair are one in the same ... deal with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mastermind Report post Posted February 14, 2002 I'm going to agree about the Flair/Hogan thing. How can people say Flair never held people down? I think someone like Foley would know first hand and wouldn't lie on the man to make himself look good. Of course someone had to be held down for Flair to hold all those damn titles. I mean come on! As for Perfect I agree with the poster about what they are trying to do is make Perfect not so perfect because he's older, but the skit sucked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 14, 2002 Seriously, this is what annoys me the most when people talk about Ric Flair, that he's somehow doing things for the good of the business and not for himself. You know, back in the day the NWA had one of the finest batches of young up and comers in the world in Sting, Barry Windham, and Lex (yeah, thats right) Luger. Did Flair ever put any one of them over him? Of course not! The only one who even got close was Sting, who won the belt at a Bash, was stuck a pitiful feud with the Black Scorpion and jobbed the belt right back to Flair at a house show. This is not a guy who looked out for others and I would love everyone to admit that he's not some saintly old wrestler who loves everyone. Hogan and Flair are one in the same ... deal with it. NO, for real? Did Flair hold people down? Sure he did. Most people know the type of stuff Flair did in NWA/WCW with the younger wrestlers. The difference between Flair & Hogan... was when Flair was vetoing jobs, he was having the best matches of his career at the age of 40. While Hogan wasn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheHulkster Report post Posted February 14, 2002 Because Hogan has never been a good wrestler, holds wrestlers down, and is a backstage cancer that lives off his name when he should have retired after he left the WWF. Flair didn't hold anyone down in WCW until Hogan's influence held down Steve Austin. Flair has also proven that he can still wrestle better than Hogan, despite the fact that I'd rather Flair not be wrestling since he'll never be as good as he was years ago. Read those first few sentences and tell me that it doesn't in any way apply to flair. He doesnt know enough to give it up, the man is old, older than the hulkster, but he still wants to be a major player. And Flair never held anyone down? Apparently you havent read "Have a Nice Day" the man told foley he would never be a star and that he would never amount to anything. Who has Flair ever put over besides himself? Sting? Thats it. Im not saying Flair isnt great or never was great, i just hate the double standard when it comes to Hogan and Flair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 14, 2002 What the hell are you talking about? I did say Flair held wrestlers down. There's a double standard with Flair & Hogan because Flair was able to back up work when "holding people down", while Hogan couldn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest KingOfMen Report post Posted February 14, 2002 I personally liked the skit. It's a good play on the old Mr. Perfect gimmick. A good heel thinks they are justified in whatever actions they do. Mr. Perfect is perfect to himself no matter what he does. Should they have just re-done the old golf, basketball, and football vinegettes? As far as Mr. Perfect not having a good moveset. A good wrestling match is like a good song. It doesn't matter how many chords or notes you know, it's how you put them together and the emotion and lyrics behind them. A good wrestling match is similar. It's not how many moves the guy knows, it how he puts them together and uses psychology and selling. Hennig is a master of those things, when motivated. I also think his moveset is pretty damn expansive myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Report post Posted February 15, 2002 Flair was and is 10x better than Hogan. That's why nobody gets on his ass about being old. Plus he don't wrestle anymore. Also Hall is older than Nash. He's like 44. It was in an old issue of WOW when they list everyone's age. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Flair5000 Report post Posted February 15, 2002 Flair's no angel, but at least he was as good in the ring as, if not better than, the people he kept down. I feel guilty, but I would LOVE to see Flair v Hogan one more time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted February 15, 2002 People complain about Flair all the time when he wrestles. Where have you been? We don't complain as much, because Flair wrestles about as often as Vince, whereas Hogan is always World Champ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheHulkster Report post Posted February 15, 2002 "He's a great worker" so its ok that he holds people down and is a selfish son of a bitch, but since hogan isnt a great worker, he's suddenly a huge dick for doing the same thing? Thats some flawed logic right there if i ever seen it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Vanilla Midget Report post Posted February 15, 2002 it is flawed logic, but at least flair has a significant redeeming quality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheHulkster Report post Posted February 15, 2002 Hogan has his fair share of significant redeeming qualities. He's over, he's a draw, he has a shitload of natural charisma, he, along with vkm, broke wrestling into the mainstream. Sure, he didnt have any 5 star matches with steamboat, but hey, that doesnt mean he hasn't helped the business in a variety of ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted February 15, 2002 Absolutely, Flair held people down BUT he also had to contend with Dusty Rhodes and his shit-for-brains. Flair didn't want to pass the torch to Luger. Does anyone blame him? the guy turned out to be a complete slug who was carried through great matches from guys like the Steiners, Pillman and Flair himself. He was more than willing to pass the torch to Sting. WCW botched Sting's run, not Flair. He was willing to hand the belt to Scott Steiner but Poppa Pump has a brother. He was supposedly preparing Austin to be his successor but we'll never know because Hogan came in and gave his friends and family other guys hard earned spots. Nepotism at it's worst. I mean FRIGGIN earthquake and Duggan and Beefcake? Hogan has never willingly lost a match to ANYBODY and certainly not in the middle of the ring cleanly. It also doesn't help the guy is a shitty wrestler. I wish the mofo would just disappear! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 15, 2002 Flair lost a lot and/or was made to look stupid in the process. I heard Flair had already told Austin he was getting the title, but Hogan came in an changed all of that. Everybody knows & respects what Hogan did for the business. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted February 15, 2002 Looking at the Flair/Luger incident... In this case Flair actually helped the business by holding down Luger. Who would you choose to pass the torch too? Luger or Sting? I thought so. I blame Dusty Rhodes for that mess. Hogan refusing to put over JJ (again I'm only going to look at one case for each right now) Was done completely for himself. JJ was the champion and the company could have benefited from him beating Hogan. Hogan just wants to be on top whenever he is around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 15, 2002 Don't forget to blame Jim "I don't know shit about wrestling" Herd. Him & Dusty kept pushing Flair to job the belt to Luger. Anybody remember the plan for Starrcade '88? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted February 15, 2002 Exactly! They wanted Flair to lay down to Dogfaced Gremlin for chrissakes! do you blame Flair? Hell, Hogan wouldn't let Hennig win the royal Rumble which would have given Perfect credibility and actually produced a money-making feud in an era when the WWF was on the decline. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 15, 2002 You sure hell can't blame Flair for not wanting to job to Rick Steiner. At least Ric was willing to job to the better (Scott) Steiner 3 years later. Mr. Perfect was robbed in 1990. That could of been the "perfect year" (pun intended). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JerryDrakeWhoDoesntWannaLogIn Report post Posted February 16, 2002 I thought Flair should of jobbed to Luger, WCW's business sucked anyway, and Luger has been chasing Flair since, 1988. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 16, 2002 It's kinda werid to know Luger got his "choker" label from Flair. Since in the eyes of the fans he never beat Flair. I don't think Luger has ever beaten Flair. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted February 16, 2002 "I don't think Luger has ever beaten Flair." and that's a good thing. Luger turned out to be the biggest waste of space in the wrestling industry. Luger should never be elevated at Flair's expense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tony149 Report post Posted February 16, 2002 I agree. With all the TV WCW produced. One would think Luger had a win over Flair. Maybe DQ wins, but not pin-falls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
