Thou shalt bitcheth and moaneth

[Guest Loss4Words]

Why should I buy the NWO as a threat when they have neatly-inserted video packages in every WWF show?

 

Why should I buy the NWO as a threat when the word "poison" is being overused so much? I HATE how the WWF will take a phrase that's originally said in a somewhat flippant manner and repeat it over and over. If I hear "inject the poison" one more time, I'm going to scream, especially when no wrestlers have sold their arrival at all and no one seems to be concerned about it. And even Michael Cole mentions how the WWF is about to be destroyed before going right into a hype job for Buffy the Vampire Slayer. If they don't care, I sure as hell refuse to do so.

 

Why does a wrestler's music have to play EVERY TIME that he walks to the ring? Yeah, if they're the ones starting a dueling promo, go for it, but if someone's music starts before they interrupt an ongoing interview in the ring, it doesn't exactly seem unexpected does it?

 

Looking past over the past 18 months, do you realize there has always been a "big angle" in holding that was supposed to get them out of their creative rut and it has yet to happen? First, it was HHH/Steph/Angle, then the Austin heel turn (which should have happened BEFORE WM or not at all), then WCW getting their own show, then the Benoit/Jericho dual push, then the interpromotional war, then the Rock's return, then the shift in direction after Survivor Series, then HHH's return, and now the NWO. I'm surprised I still care.

 

Do the refs still not know that Regal will not have the brass knux on him, but instead they will be hidden somewhere near the ring? Geez, dummies, look around and you can probably figure it out.

 

I love how Booker T went over HHH once, managed to escape without jobbing to him a second time and then was beaten by the Rock and put back in the tag ranks. I guess we wouldn't want him to get over as a serious major player, would we?

 

Good to see Undertaker not do a single job since the heel turn. Maybe I was wrong to think he really did have a change in attitude as was rumored.

 

That's all for now.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Yeah....it's frustrating. What's more frustrating is that the marks eat it up with a spoon and there's nothing we can do. We just have to complain to each other.....and hope that feels better.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

I love how Booker T went over HHH once, managed to escape without jobbing to him a second time and then was beaten by the Rock and put back in the tag ranks. I guess we wouldn't want him to get over as a serious major player, would we?

Not to mention needing Test's help to beat Tazz and ***SPOILER***losing to Spike on Smackdown!

 

Why is it when WCW talent start to get cheers, they get featured less and less?  See DDP and Hurricane as recent examples.

[Guest mastermind]

Booker lost to Spike Dudley??? GEEZ!

 

I got to agree about wcw guys getting shown less and less when they start to get over. Booker T is the worse tragedy. Just when he looks kind of serious last week they hook him back up with boring Test(a wwf guy).

 

L4W, the NWO slick promos can be explained through Vince Mcmahon paying for it. It's not like the early days of the NWO paid announcements where Hogan/Hall/Nash were portayed as paying for it(Bischoff coming later notwithstanding). Okay, it's a stretch, but it's not as bad as the point you bring up about the music thingy.

 

It really is kind of stupid how the music has to burst EVERY time when someone interferes or interupts. I think Trips last week during the Angle interview is the only exception that I remember. Actually in 1987, during the SNME before WM 3 Jesse Ventura called Vince out on this. Steamboat was interferring during a Macho/Animal match and The Bod says something along the lines of how the hell do they know to play his music at the back as soon as he comes out here? This is a set up Vince and I bet you had something to do with it. Body was always pretty slick with the shoot comments.

[Guest dreamer420]

Wow, that's a lot of bitching.

[Guest Tony149]

The WWF will probably forever  remember the WCW guys working for "evil Ted Turner". They might get screwed here and there once and a while because they used to work for somebody the WWF never liked. Which sucks because if they're over, use them.

[Guest oldschoolwrestling]

Yeah....it's frustrating. What's more frustrating is that the marks eat it up with a spoon and there's nothing we can do. We just have to complain to each other.....and hope that feels better.

The problem is, the marks arent' eating it up with a spoon.  The ratings spike for a week then drop back down.  Invasion, Rock's return, Angle winning the title as a face, Flair coming, WWF beating WCW, HHH coming back, NWO coming in, no matter what they try, the marks aren't eating it up and the ratings stay the same.  Vince keeps throwing shiznit at the wall but nothing is sticking.....but it sure is stinking.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Yeah but I still here people at school eating it up. And that rating is still in the 4's. It's going to have to go WCW bab before it hits Vince. It needs to drop to the low 2's.

[Guest Galactic Gigolo]

<< Good to see Undertaker not do a single job since the heel turn. Maybe I was wrong to think he really did have a change in attitude as was rumored. >>

 

In all reality, when you first turn heel and make it seem like your a bad ass, the one thing you can do to screw it up is by having him lose quickly.  Wait till Wrestlemania.  If he doesn't job at WM (as it would be a big deal since he's never lost at the event), then you can officially consider him a cancer.  Right now, he's just a couple thousand empty packs of cigarrettes, waiting to develop into it.

 

I love how I use the smoking analogy talking about how it'll kill you, when I'm a smoker and all.

[Guest Brian]

Well, the bookers manage to screw up everything as always.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Well it's like this.

In the history of wrestling if you are a badass monster heel then you become a pussy when you turn face. See: Kane

If you are a badass monster face and you turn heel you become a pussy

See: Austin, Angle

 

So by all means.......UT should be a big pussy right now.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

How long before we get the "I'm tired of all the smarks bitching, if you don't like it don't watch" response from someone?  I have an idea who may do that, but I'll wait to see if it happens...

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

If you don't like it don't watch it!

 

Whoa....sorry about that guys. Sometimes I scare even myself.

[Guest Kinetic]

Well it's like this.

In the history of wrestling if you are a badass monster heel then you become a pussy when you turn face. See: Kane

If you are a badass monster face and you turn heel you become a pussy

See: Austin, Angle

 

So by all means.......UT should be a big pussy right now.

That is sort of peculiar.  I was always distraught by the fact that Austin could single-handedly beat up a ring full of people as a face, and yet was almost defenseless as a heel.  But they're already stocked up on sneaky heels as it is, so a character like the Undertaker's current one is something of a change of pace.  If only they'd given it to someone else..

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Yeah he was like Superman destroying the entire Alliance by himself the Raw before Invasion and then suddenly Kurt Angle who couldn't destory the Alliance by himself could kick the crap out of Austin half asleep.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

"If you don't like it don't watch it! "

 

If I don't like it, I don't watch.  If I see Test come out I turn something else on.  But I complain about it because I don't want to have to watch something else.  I like wrestling, and it pisses me off the way the WWF is currently and how it is going to get worse with the NWO back.

[Guest Goodear]

So wait, Undertaker didn't do a job to Maven like just last week?  Damn, my vivid imagination must be playing tricks on me again.

[Guest Kinetic]

Well...it did sort of take Al Snow's interference, a chairshot, and a Rock Bottom to beat him but, yes.  Undertaker did job to Maven.

[Guest dreamer420]

I find that when I watch the WWF I can pretty well sit through anything they put on.  I have never seen anything on their programming that has made me change the channel and I doubt I will see anything that will make me.  If something is on Raw or Smackdown that I don't find particularly entertaining I will watch it anyway until the next segment comes on.

[Guest Tony149]

I can also pretty much sit thru crap that's on wrestling only when Steph's on. Since I know the segment will be poorly acted and probably annoying.

[Guest Kinetic]

I can sit through anything, really.  Bearing witness to terrible angles and godawful boring matches helps you appreciate it even more when something worthwhile happens.

[Guest mykatissatan]

Well...it did sort of take Al Snow's interference, a chairshot, and a Rock Bottom to beat him but, yes.  Undertaker did job to Maven.

Id say thats good enough.....I wouldnt expect UT to lay down clean for Maven.  Thats a little rediculous.

[Guest TheDames7]

Ok, due to UT's size, I just dont think its believable for him to become a cowardly heel.  Angle, Austin, Jericho can get away with it because most of the guys are their size or close to it.  The only person that I could see UT being a cowardly heel towards is Kane or Big Show....and lord knows none of us want those fueds again.  

 

Dames

[Guest Some Guy]

I'm pissed about a lot of things in theWWF right now.  But the main thing to me is RVD getting de pushed.  I'm a fan of him but not a super-ECW mark or anything.  I figured when he lost the HC belt to Taker that he would go on to the IC.  Silly me.  Then he beats the IC champ in like 30 seconds and doesn't get a real rematch.  He should be allowed a fair chance to work Main Events.  His TV matches against Austin, Angle, and Rock were all good and a PPV match with any of them would be better.  He hasn't hurt anybody for a while either.  This guy like him or not is a potential gold mine for Vince and he's wasting him now and maybe will forever.  I think the same goes for Booker T, although not to the same extent as RVD.

[Guest Tony149]

I also thought RVD was moving onto the I-C Title ranks after he lost the Hardcore Title. RVD must be doing something to get him pushed back.

[Guest snowfan]

So wait, Undertaker didn't do a job to Maven like just last week?  Damn, my vivid imagination must be playing tricks on me again.

Yup UT REALLY put Maven over.....

 

Sort of like Nash did for Mysterio.....*chuckle*

 

snowfan

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I also thought RVD was moving onto the I-C Title ranks after he lost the Hardcore Title. RVD must be doing something to get him pushed back.

 

 

What he's doing is drawing louder pops than the guy who is Main Eventing Mania as a face.  That's a good way to get held down...show up HHH, as he is taking his most important roll ever in the company.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

I also thought RVD was moving onto the I-C Title ranks after he lost the Hardcore Title. RVD must be doing something to get him pushed back.

See Jericho, Chris.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

What do you mean Man in Black?

[Guest goodhelmet]

I couldn't agree with these posts more. RVD gets louder pops than nearly any other wrestler yet he gets de-pushed? Regal, Test, Rikishi etc. are NOT over but continually get pushed? Noone save for McMahon, Angle and Jericho get any positive heel heat. Last year I was able to watch the WWF because even if the storylines were shit, the wrestling was good (although not as good as it should have been). I'm fed up with the lack of direction and the NWO is not going to help matters. It's a damn shame when the WWF could conceivably put on three or four **** matches on every show yet we get none. They are truly a chicken running around with their head cut off.