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[Guest treble charged]

In the Sports forum, you've constantly brought up treble charger in arguments, so I decided to bring it up in here, where it actually applies.

 

Go.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

well I think Treble Charged is ok. There's nothing I enjoy more than chillin' out wearing my really cool Tazz towel and listening to Brand New Low, eh TC?

[Guest treble charged]

I didn't ask you.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

Sorry TC. My really cool Tazz Towel must have partly blocked my view of the screen

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

sorry. my really cool tazz towel must have got in my eyes.

[Guest redbaron51]

my gf is a second cousin to the bassist of Treble Charger

[Guest]

Dude, me and treble charger where do I start. ok first of all, I own a copy of a self titled nc-17 (the first name for treble charger) cassette, and have for about the last 7 years. I always thought tc was a good band, and had the oppurtunity to see them at many a small show back in the alternative sonic unyon boom of 94-96.  People always said things about Greg Nori, that he was an ass and stuff but I didnt believe because he seemed dedicated to the music, and once signed an autograph at a show for me and my buddies when he didnt have to (in 95).  So im mainly into the punk/metal scene, got into it around 96, and continued to distance myself from the canadian alternative scene, while tc put out stuff, that I had no problem with, although nori started to sing more I noticed.  I was fine with TC, until this last american psycho effort.  The totally sold out man, Nori changed his look, and took over all released song vocals, it was obvious that they were trying to latch on to the pop-punk bandwagon explosion in an effort to sell tickets.  This would become more evident when they signed a young unknown band from Ajax in 2000 named sum 41.  Sum 41's first ep half hour of power was a pretty decent hard rock/punk album that had critics raving. since they were signed to tc's label I was happy that they were still able to maintain their less marketable, metalish interludes, and hard hitting songs.  But then Sum 41 come back with a new cd that contains dumbed down pop efforts that sound like in too deep, that sound eerily similar to the new pop punk style of tc.  Then it all collapses. My friend who works in the music biz in Toronto, and also grew up in Ajax with Sum 41, tells me stories about how Nori put his handprints all over the new Sum album, and tells me what an arrogant ass Nori is now, thinking he is better than anyone, and constantly manipulating women.  Well that was the last straw for me, I officially disliked the "new" treble charger.  So treble no offence to you if I offended u I will keep my mouth shut from now on about TC, but I was just dissapointed that u would put so much time and your heart into a band, that has sold out big time, and seen their best days go behind them.

[Guest redbaron51]

Dude, me and treble charger where do I start. ok first of all, I own a copy of a self titled nc-17 (the first name for treble charger) cassette, and have for about the last 7 years. I always thought tc was a good band, and had the oppurtunity to see them at many a small show back in the alternative sonic unyon boom of 94-96.  People always said things about Greg Nori, that he was an ass and stuff but I didnt believe because he seemed dedicated to the music, and once signed an autograph at a show for me and my buddies when he didnt have to (in 95).  So im mainly into the punk/metal scene, got into it around 96, and continued to distance myself from the canadian alternative scene, while tc put out stuff, that I had no problem with, although nori started to sing more I noticed.  I was fine with TC, until this last american psycho effort.  The totally sold out man, Nori changed his look, and took over all released song vocals, it was obvious that they were trying to latch on to the pop-punk bandwagon explosion in an effort to sell tickets.  This would become more evident when they signed a young unknown band from Ajax in 2000 named sum 41.  Sum 41's first ep half hour of power was a pretty decent hard rock/punk album that had critics raving. since they were signed to tc's label I was happy that they were still able to maintain their less marketable, metalish interludes, and hard hitting songs.  But then Sum 41 come back with a new cd that contains dumbed down pop efforts that sound like in too deep, that sound eerily similar to the new pop punk style of tc.  Then it all collapses. My friend who works in the music biz in Toronto, and also grew up in Ajax with Sum 41, tells me stories about how Nori put his handprints all over the new Sum album, and tells me what an arrogant ass Nori is now, thinking he is better than anyone, and constantly manipulating women.  Well that was the last straw for me, I officially disliked the "new" treble charger.  So treble no offence to you if I offended u I will keep my mouth shut from now on about TC, but I was just dissapointed that u would put so much time and your heart into a band, that has sold out big time, and seen their best days go behind them.

it goes to show you that in the end, cash is more important than the true fans and music.

[Guest]

Baron sadly what u say contains a lot of truth.  However there are still some bands that maintain some sort of moral structure and try to make the commecial crossover less painful for their hardcore fans.  But bands with certain arrogant members like Treble Charger sell out very quickly when the record label, comes calling asking them to compromise the style they have played for 8 or so years, in exchange for more fame.  I like to think of my favorite band Nofx, who refuse to have their videos played on MTV, and give back a lot to the punk community that paid their bills for so long.  I see that Treble Charger has a new video coming out with cameo appearances by Sum 41 (shocking), Swollen Members, and Avril Lavigne.  Now u tell me what the hell the purpose is of those acts appearing with Treble Charger? Yep you guessed it to sell more albums to little teenyboppers who will think they are "cool" and "in" to have those artists in the video.  You think TC gives two flying shits about Avril Lavigne (a 15 year old female punk poseur for those not familiar). If TC did not care about the money and  moving units so much, they would actually put some of their "less hip" friends in the video like they used to in their older videos before they got all this new found recognition.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

wow. you mean treble Charger are trying to sell more Cd's and make money?

 

that's horrible. they've betrayed they're fans. I mean what kind of people get into the music industry to make money?!?

[Guest]

oh man I thought by the name you go by you would have a little more of a clue.  Kurt Cobain didnt give a shit about moving units, and certainly never put Snoop Dogg, and Bjork in his videos now did he? Its about premise, and being true to yourself. The guys in treble charger pulled a 180 change and started dressing and playing like a pop punk act, coincidentally when pop punk is the in thing to do, that is not cool that is strictly bandwagoning on to the latest fad.  Its ok to worry about making a living theres nothing wrong with that, but be true to yourself dont change and latch on to the latest fad, and alienate all of the fans that brought you to the dance.  And cobain if u sincerely read my posts and didnt find anything wrong or fake in nature about treble charger than I can only assume u like to swim with the trends to and see nothing wrong with being "in" and selling more records rather than staying true to your true alternative rock roots.

[Guest treble charged]

So, what do you dislike more?  The guys in the band (or just Nori, from what you're saying), or their music?

[Guest]

Ok I might be too harsh on them but I feel its personal since I grew up listening to them and attending their small shows.  Now I dont dislike the guys in the band, only Nori he is ruining them, let the other singer sing he is much more talented (remember red?) but he is less commercially appealing so he never gets to sing.  Ditch this whole pop-punk dress code it doesnt suit them, and take power away from Nori, and the band would be back on track again, but im sorry to say we will have to weather another watered down commercial effort from them soon, by the looks of the video.

[Guest treble charged]

Now that I have more time, I'll try to answer your arguments:

 

As far as changing your look, have you, in the past 5 years, have you never changed your haircut, the type of clothes you wear, etc.?

 

Concerning Cobain not being concerned with selling records, that's all well and good, but its very easy to say when you're selling millions of albums and making cash hand over fist.

 

Half Hour of Power was produced by both Deryck Whilbey (from Sum 41) and Greig Nori, while All Killer, No Filler was produced by Jerry Finn.

 

Speaking of Sum 41, I really wished that they wouldn't try to ride on their coattails, but if they do and it gets more people to listen to their music, I'm all for it.

 

Finally, no, you didn't offend me, I was just curious about your feelings, since you always were bringing them up in the Sports forum.

[Guest]

I was anticipating the retort of have I changed my look in the past 5 years.  I would go with no.  I have always kept my skate shoes with either beidge, green, or blue pants, and jeans.  Accompanied by either a plain white t-shirt, hockey jersey, or button down surf shirt.  And I dont find this really relevant 1. because I was still going through those teenage years where you find yourself 2. I didnt have a whole group of people who had spent money on me, supported my career, and looked up to me, caring what I did with my look.  The fact is u cant deny its a major coincidence that TC was all over that alternative boom in its hey day, and is now suddenly pop-punk in its hey day. And no im not allowing this change to be attributed to "personal growth" it is a blatantly shallow manouver to move more units by looking appealing, which I guess is fine, but not the type of band I want to be a fan of, I like the band to not compromise who they are.  Also I see your point about Cobain, but if u have read about Cobain's life, u would know he is far from the type of person who cared about material possessions, and selling units, and was even offended by how "polished" nevermind sounded, there might not be many people I could tell u about without knowing personally, but i can say without a doubt Cobain would never sell out like that.  And I know Nori didnt produce the latest effort but he oversaw the whole recording, and gave more than his two cents to sum 41 on "how to change things up", u cant tell me u dont notice a lot of similarities between the two nowadays.