Raw comments

[Guest]

Ok. Benoit returned...Mark out as you please.

 

Secondly. WHO THE FUCK TOLD BUBBA HE WAS GONNA GET FIRED IF HE DIDN'T GET A GOOD MATCH OUT OF BROCK? Best Bubba match...ever! Brock will have more to come...and watch for the Shooting Star Press.

 

Third. Um...WWE? Can I ask for one thing from you? GET A FUCKIN' GOOD SET OF LADDERS! Match would have been MORE awesome if RVD could have hit the Five Star off the ladder. As it is...it's just Fucking Awesome instead of INCREDIBLY Fucking Awesome...and then Benoit turning at the end? I think I was with JR (for once). WHAT THE HELL?

 

Your comments if you please...

[Guest Human Fly]

Austin was feuding with Benoit when he hurt his neck last year. They'll have it play off like Benoit is getting revenge on Austin for hurting his neck. At least that's what I think.

[Guest Nevermortal]

Why do they always turn people in their hometown?

[Guest]

Or have their former best friend kick his ass? LIke JR to Stone Cold? I mean...why don't they just remake the Radicalz? It makes sense!

[Guest Army Eye]

Yeah I don't know why turning people in their hometown is so popular these days.  It just seems counterproductive to me.  

 

Personally I don't really want the Radicalz back.  Just keep it Benoit and Guerrero, they'll do just fine.

[Guest Austin3164life]

Benoit and Guerrero sounds awesome......but Austin and RVD?  When feuding they are golden but as a team it sounds alright......

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

My comments:

 

1. Brock and Bubba may have sucked.  But at least it was a damn wrestling match.  It may have also helped Brock get out of Goldberg's shadow, a little anyways.  Heyman cheating also, managed to give Bubba some credability.  

 

2. The NWO are booked in the midcard where they belong.  The humorous Booker T/Goldust angle IMO has done the impossiable and managed to make the NWO interesting.      

 

3.  I really don't see the point of the Dreamer/Taker segment. If they want Dreamer over, give him the last chance at greatness push, they gave Jake a while a back.  Don't give him a shitty joke gimmick and feed him to the Undertaker.  Speaking of the Undertaker, shouldn't everything revolve around the World Champion.  Misuse of both guys IMO.

 

4. Eddy and RVD may not have been HBK/Razor.  But it was decent for a TV match.  I don't like the idea of the IC title changing hands so many times.  But it makes sense, since Eddy is moving on to ME(hopefully).  RVD should keep the strap and defend it against all comers.  

 

5. Wild Pegasus and the Black Tiger reunite to take on the Rattlesnake.  Though they are past their in ring primes.  This should be fucking awesome, if they handle it right.   Though I really don't see how IC champ RVD fits in.  Maybe give him one more clean win over Eddy?  

 

I think Raw was good.  Certainly a step in the right direction, and certainly better than the shit they have been doing lately. Its always nice to see Actual wrestling matches(good or bad) with clean finishes, and fresh interesting fueds.  Though the final segment made the show, seem better than it actually was.

[Guest Army Eye]

1. Brock and Bubba may have sucked.  But at least it was a damn wrestling match.  It may have also helped Brock get out of Goldberg's shadow, a little anyways.  Heyman cheating also, managed to give Bubba some credability. .

I didn't even think it sucked.  It was a solid power match.

[Guest]

this of course is the setup for a feud between Benoit and Guerrero and the team of Austin and That Fucktard Fan who ran in during the ladder match

[Guest Black Tiger]

Benoit was turned in his hometown to see if he could be hated, it failed if you ask me.

 

These Tommy Dreamer things are pissing me off because I watched ECW for so long and devoloped a healthy respect for Tommy Dreamer.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"this of course is the setup for a feud between Benoit and Guerrero and the team of Austin and That Fucktard Fan who ran in during the ladder match "

 

See...now RVD is losing out to the fan show ran in.

 

The guy won the match..but he is now merely an after thought.

 

See the difference between him winning this week and losing last week?

 

Which do you honestly think did more for him?

[Guest art_vandelay]

I think Raw was shit, but today it was solid shit instead of the watery kind we've been served the past few weeks.

 

Things worth watching:

 

1) Goldust/nWo backstage segments:  I never thought I'd say this, but I'm really glad Goldust is here.  His delivery and mannerisms are great.  "4 Life".... hahaha!

 

2) Benoit's return:  Marked out like a bastard, great to just see him on TV.  Too bad they didn't go for the Triple H return with the vignettes and everything, but I guess if he's going to be a heel it would be misleading.

 

3) RVD vs. Eddy:  Best TV match of the year, so far.  A bunch of mess-ups, but both men really took a beating and I appreciate them for that.  That fan run-in was one of the most impactful in recent memory.

 

 

Things not worth your time:

 

- Tommy Dreamer/Undertaker segment:  I gagged after listening to this... that's right, I couldn't even look at the TV.  This may upset a few people but, Tommy Dreamer is a waste of time.  If they were actually going to let him wrestle against Taker or throw the cup of spit at Taker, then I would say the segment was worth it, but as it is, Tommy Dreamer is nothing but a talentless human dumpster.  Either tell him to stop doing that shit and give him a real push or get him the fuck off of the show.

 

- Every match on the card besides RVD/Eddy:  The matches were barely average at best.  The Lesnar match did more for Bubba than it did for Lesnar, which is good if that's what they intended to do.

[Guest notJames]

Isn't it funny how Nash was able to hook his little Black and White wagon onto Booker T's rising stardom at just the right time? And they say he's not a backstage politician...

 

I hope that take that fan that ran in and feed him to Guerrero in the back. He could've fucked him up bad with that stupid stunt.

 

That main event saved RAW from another mediocre outing. Yeah, the Booker T stuff was gold, but the wrestling wasn't all peaches and cream. Big Show/Bradshaw? That damn HC mess? Ugh, don't even get me started on that stupid Dreamer/UT segment...

 

Let's hope Austin/Guerrero is well worth the wait...

[Guest midnightxpress 4life]

Best tv match of the year?? Awesome fucking match???  I do not understand how someone can call that match awesome.  Great...no still not right..Good is more of what I would say.  Perhaps it wasnt all their fault with the shitty ladders and the stupid ass running into the ring but it just was not there for eddy tonight and then when RVD, who is only a carryable wrestler not the god many people think he is, if his opponet isnt at the top of his game RVD just sucks.  Good match not great.  Crappy raw overall, but better then the few shows.

[Guest y2jailbait]

ya know, someone said this once, but im gonna repeat it. For a guy who says DTA:dont trust anybody, he sure does get turned on alot! Austin needs a revamped character quick. But in defense of Tommy Dreamer, i like his gimmick, he said it himself, he's just a normal guy trying to make a living. The WWE may try to make him out as a man of the people, dusty rhodes Common Man character which ive always liked. Hell, drinking tobacco spit is a hell of a lot better than wrestling Boss Man on Heat!

[Guest art_vandelay]

Best tv match of the year??

You're right, that is a bit strong.  Come to think of it, it's more like the Best RAW Main Event since the brand extension.  That, I'm sure of.

[Guest midnightxpress 4life]

Best tv match of the year??

You're right, that is a bit strong.  Come to think of it, it's more like the Best RAW Main Event since the brand extension.  That, I'm sure of.

ok ill give you that but with the M.E. raws had that doesnt say much for the match..even though it was good

[Guest TheDames7]

What would you say is the TV match of the year before this one?  The only thing that pops in my head is UT-RVD on that Raw where Eddy interfered.

 

Dames

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"but it just was not there for eddy tonight and then when RVD, who is only a carryable wrestler not the god many people think he is, if his opponet isnt at the top of his game RVD just sucks."

 

Man...its a good thing that RVD seems to find Taker on the extremely rare occassions that hes on...huh?

 

And that Goldust and Regal decided to be on when they wrestled RVD...but not anyone else.

 

Is this Scott Keith?  cause only an idiot like him could say something like that.  Watch there Judgment Day match (as RVD uses his spots far more effectively than usual by adding in working on Eddys back with them) and then read that craptacular Keith rant where he says that Eddy did all the work.

 

On second thought...you've already read it...because you've just come on here to regurgitate it.

 

In fact...why don't you tell me all about his shitty mic work now.  

 

BPS21-  Really getting sick of these people.

[Guest midnightxpress 4life]

Actually I don't read Keiths rants cause they bore me to death.  And to say that Goldust and Regal must have caught RVD on their "on" nights is bullshit.  Both of those guys Regal especially are incredibly talented wrestlers.  Dustin not so much as he was in the past but is still very talanted and Regal is still one of the best mat wrestlers in wrestling.

[Guest midnightxpress 4life]

What would you say is the TV match of the year before this one?  The only thing that pops in my head is UT-RVD on that Raw where Eddy interfered.

 

Dames

I'd propabbly give UT/RVD best tv match but yeah take that part out of the post it was more in comment to the awesome fucking match that someone had posted.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

sigh.

 

Regal and Edge stunk up the place on 3 ppvs.  Being a good mat wrestler means nothing in the WWE.  You HAVE to know that much.

 

Goldust...Goldust?  There's a reason hes used in comedy matches.

 

How many more good matches does RVD have to have before people stop claiming him to be merely a wrestler who needs to be carried?

 

You know why that is bullshit?

 

Because he is a spot wrestler.  

 

And not in a negative way.

 

He uses spots (rolling thunder, split legged moonsault...whatever) the same way other wrestlers use moves (suplex, powerbomb...whatever).

 

To say he needs to be carried through his own spots is asinine.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

"What would you say is the TV match of the year before this one?  The only thing that pops in my head is UT-RVD on that Raw where Eddy interfered."

 

Austin vs. Angle from RAW earlier this year is the best TV match so far (at least I'm pretty sure it was in 2002, although it might have been really late 2001). It was during the little mini-tournament to decide the #1 contender for RR I believe. A really good match that ranks up there with some of their PPV efforts. The ladder match tonight was quite good though, blown stuff aside.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I think it was 2002 HMW.

 

And I agree that that was the best TV match leading up to (and possible including...I have to watch it again) tonight.

[Guest Coffin Surfer]

If I was forced to rate tonights ladder match I'd give it *3/4 to **(damn good for a WWE TV match).  I really don't think RVD has anything to be ashamed of, in being a carryable wrestler.  He can bump like a motherfucker, and has good exciting spots on offense.  

 

RVD for the most part is pretty clueless as to how to put together a match, which is why he needs to be carried to produce a good match. I actually think being carryable is a damn good thing.  Its those bastards that can't be carried, that truely suck.

 

But of course RVD doesn't always need to be carried.  His best match ever IMO was against Bam Bam in ECW.  A great effort from both guys, no carrying was needed.  

 

As far the infamous Goldust/Regal/Taker matches go.  They all pretty much suck.  But the reason they stand out from those threes usual matches, is because RVD's bumping and spots mixes well with the slow power guys.

[Guest midnightxpress 4life]

To me Regal/Edge didnt suck.. they just were nothing special..decent matches with a fued that i would agree went on for to long.  and yes just because hes a great match wrestler when thinking in "WWE" terms that does mean nothing but his snobish character is entertaining when they allow it to shine and because of the fact he is an awesome wrestler he then has good matches.  I disagree when you say his spotyness is not a negative thing because when your spots are just one after the other theirs no build in between any of them and thats his problem.  I think he has the talent to become a decent wrestler and when he first came to the wwf he was just that.  After he got over you could tell that his talent started to drop alittle.  I do think that he has been picking it up over the past weeks with eddy and UT but only time will tell if he can become a big talent, in my mind at least.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

I think the match tonight was pretty good. Some negatives have to be awarded for the fan run-in and the blown ladder spots, but both of these elements were outside of the wrestler's control so it reflects negatively on the match but not on them. I think the weakest portion of the match was the start, and once they got past the feeling out process it started to roll along nicely. The best spot was Eddy's sunset flip into a powerbomb that looked just vicious. I'd say ***3/4 for effort, only about **3/4 for execution, which puts the match at about ***1/4 which is pretty good for a TV match.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Are you serious?

 

Go back and watch those matches when RVD first came in.

 

He has improved by leaps and bounds since then.

[Guest midnightxpress 4life]

Are you serious?

 

Go back and watch those matches when RVD first came in.

 

He has improved by leaps and bounds since then.

Well what to you want me to say to that..No i was just kidding...Yes i was serious to me RVD is a wrestler whos improved a bit over the past yr since he came to the WWF, has had huge improvement since ecw, but is still just another flash in the pan that in 2 yrs no one will remember.  You obviously feel differently.  we both argued our sides and I don't think theres to much left to say besides you like him I don't.

[Guest Edwin MacPhisto]

Gotta go with BPS on this one--when RVD came in, he could match up with Jeff Hardy in a spotfest.  Now he can hang and put together good matches with Eddie Guerrero without being overshadowed much, and that's a big thing.

 

He still doesn't transition in the WWF style (punches, kneelifts, scoop slams, and vertical suplexes), but he's getting a little better--there are logical reasons for his spots now, as opposed to just being "Move 1, Move 2, Move 3, Move 4," and so on.  He also works a few more fundamentals in--some more dropkicks, backbreakers, and a few more grapples and arm drags as well.

 

Is he Benoit?  No.  Is he getting better?  Yessir.