College Football - Bowl & Heisman Babbling

[iggymcfly 0]

No way in hell does Vince Young come back next year. He'll be an early first-rounder in the NFL draft come April.

 

As for next year's Heisman crop, I say:

 

1. Brady Quinn

2. Lendale White

3. Adrian Peterson

4. Marcus Vick

5. Stevie Hicks

 

You just know that if Notre Dame's anywhere near the national title game, the media's going to be slobbering all over themselves at the chance to give Brady Quinn the Heisman. Also, the key thing to remember about USC is that they have far and away the best offensive line in the country, and on that line Winston Justice is the only senior. With the number of carries White's likely to get next year, he could easily surpass 2000 yards.

 

Stevie Hicks is just my dark horse, because he's a really good back when he's actually healthy, and I think that Iowa State could contend for the Big XII Title next year.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Beano Cook, Tim Brown, John Huarte, Paul Hornung, John Lattner, and Trojan turncoat Pat Haden. Not sure who the seventh guy is.

 

I'll throw out a darkhorse. Won't win because he'll only be Sophmore. Derrick Williams of Penn State.

[therealworldschampion 0]

Beano Cook, Tim Brown, John Huarte, Paul Hornung, John Lattner, and Trojan turncoat Pat Haden. Not sure who the seventh guy is.

 

I'll throw out a darkhorse. Won't win because he'll only be Sophmore. Derrick Williams of Penn State.

 

Williams might have less yards receiving next year only because Anthony Morelli will be the new QB next year since Robinson is graduating, but in 2007 he'll definitely be a contender.

[Damaramu 0]

I'm shocked that Bush won the Heisman. Shocked I say!

Booty gets nowhere near the Heisman. If anyone from USC does then it'll be White.

 

I'm going to go out on a big limb and say Peterson wins it. He'll surpass 20 TDs(he had 15 in only half the season) and he'll go over 2,000 yards if he stays healthy.

[therealworldschampion 0]

I'm shocked that Bush won the Heisman. Shocked I say!

Booty gets nowhere near the Heisman. If anyone from USC does then it'll be White.

 

I'm going to go out on a big limb and say Peterson wins it. He'll surpass 20 TDs(he had 15 in only half the season) and he'll go over 2,000 yards if he stays healthy.

 

It'll be tough for him to win it if Notre Dame is 12-0 (12 game schedules next year) and Quinn has a year similar to last year, because you know how the media would love to give ND a Heisman.

Edited December 11, 2005 by therealworldschampion

[Art Sandusky 0]

Fuck John David Booty. Jim Bob Cooter's where it's at.

[mike546 0]

I haven't followed college football for that long, but doesn't the winner of the heismans team basically have to have a great season in order to win? I'm not doubting Oklohoma won't be better than this year, but do they have to be really good for Peterson to have a shot?

[CanadianChris 0]

I was about to retort that there's no way Notre Dame will go 12-0 next year, but then I looked at their schedule. They sure have eased up...they get Michigan, Penn State and UCLA in South Bend, and only Michigan State and USC shape up to be credible opponents on the road.

 

Still, I don't think they go 12-0.

[CanadianChris 0]

I haven't followed college football for that long, but doesn't the winner of the heismans team basically have to have a great season in order to win? I'm not doubting Oklohoma won't be better than this year, but do they have to be really good for Peterson to have a shot?

Not if he has an earth-shattering season. If he rushes for over 2000 and 20 TDs, he'll get a lot of consideration, whether Oklahoma is 11-1 or 6-6. Of course, if he goes for those numbers, they'll probably be a lot closer to 11-1 than to 6-6 anyway.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Beano Cook, Tim Brown, John Huarte, Paul Hornung, John Lattner, and Trojan turncoat Pat Haden. Not sure who the seventh guy is.

 

I'll throw out a darkhorse. Won't win because he'll only be Sophmore. Derrick Williams of Penn State.

 

Williams might have less yards receiving next year only because Anthony Morelli will be the new QB next year since Robinson is graduating, but in 2007 he'll definitely be a contender.

 

Morelli should be a better passing QB than Robinson. It will be an adjustment period. Williams is an all-purpose weapon so he can beat you rushing, and in the return game.

[therealworldschampion 0]

A dark horse that no one has mentioned for next year is Kyle Wright from Miami. He'll have some experience and Miami QBs seem to do well in Heisman races. Don't discount Chad Henne or Michael Hart either.

Edited December 11, 2005 by therealworldschampion

[therealworldschampion 0]

I was about to retort that there's no way Notre Dame will go 12-0 next year, but then I looked at their schedule. They sure have eased up...they get Michigan, Penn State and UCLA in South Bend, and only Michigan State and USC shape up to be credible opponents on the road.

 

Still, I don't think they go 12-0.

 

I think there's a great chance of them being 11-0 when they head to Los Angeles to play USC in November. PSU will be adjusting to Morelli and a whole new secondary when they play in early September, Lloyd Carr can't ever seem to win in South Bend, and the Irish usually play well in East Lansing against MSU. UCLA could be tough depending on who's back for them next year, but I think the game being in South Bend helps them.

 

As for PSU next year:

 

9-2 Akron - W

9-9 @ Notre Dame - L, I can't see them winning this game early in the season on the road with the losses they'll have due to graduation

9-16 Youngstown State - W

9-23 @ Ohio State - L, They'll either lose this one or the Michigan game, I'm thinking this is the loss

9-30 Northwestern - W

10-7 @ Minnesota - W, could be a loss depending on how Minnesota is next year

10-14 Michigan - W

10-21 Illinois - W

10-28 @ Purdue - W, Count me as not a believer in Purdue

11-4 @ Wisconsin - W, like the Minnesota game could be a loss depending on who returns for Wisconsin

11-11 Temple - W

11-18 Michigan State - W

 

This is me being optomistic. The offense will be tremendous if Morelli can pick up the offense quickly, considering they get all their skill players back and some of the line as well. The defense on the other hand may get burned at first while the new secondary gets broken in, but the losses on the DL are manageable and the linebacking core will be good with Posluzsny and Connor both back next year. At best 9-2 and a shot at the conference title again, at worst 7-4 and the Alamo Bowl. The 2007 team has the possibility to be an absolute monster.

Edited December 11, 2005 by therealworldschampion

[Bored 0]

I haven't followed college football for that long, but doesn't the winner of the heismans team basically have to have a great season in order to win?

Pretty much. Of the last 15 winners only Ricky Williams was on a non-Top 10 team and Texas was still respectable 8-3 in the regular season. The last winner on a non-ranked team was Steve Owens of Oklahoma in 1969 who went 6-4 that year and did not play in a bowl.

[therealworldschampion 0]

I haven't followed college football for that long, but doesn't the winner of the heismans team basically have to have a great season in order to win?

Pretty much. Of the last 15 winners only Ricky Williams was on a non-Top 10 team and Texas was still respectable 8-3 in the regular season. The last winner on a non-ranked team was Steve Owens of Oklahoma in 1969 who went 6-4 that year and did not play in a bowl.

 

Yeah and the last time a Heisman Trophy winner was on a losing team I believe was Paul Hornung winning in 1957 or 1958 when Notre Dame was 2-9.

[therealworldschampion 0]

A BCS nightmare next year could be either West Virginia or Louisville possibly going undefeated and slipping into the Fiesta Bowl for the championship, which could happen if Louisville beats Miami at home and takes care of business or if West Virginia can pull an upset at Louisville with their OOC not being very hard at all.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Williams was also partially a career achievment award. Having passed Dorsett on the all-time rushing yards list.

 

I think it's gonna be hard for a traditional runningback to win. Reggie Bush was an all-purpose player. The likes of Peterson, White are more traditional between the tackles. 1999 when Dayne (another Williams career achievement) won the award.

[Gert T 0]

I want to hear Beano's babbling explanation for picking Brady Quinn. Should be great.

[therealworldschampion 0]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2253849

 

That list has possible names for Colorado's next coach. I think Tom O'Brien would be a terrific hire for them considering the discipline he would bring to the program along with 7 straight bowl trips that he led BC to.

[Bored 0]

More Colorado fun.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?i...-121119&srvc=sz

DENVER -- A Colorado football player has been suspended and his girlfriend, a cross-country runner from Utah, has quit the sports program after being accused of sending a racist e-mail to an Hispanic member of the cross-country team.

 

The e-mail included a reference to dragging the man behind a car, recalling an incident in 1998 in Texas when a black man was dragged to his death. The two athletes were cited for harassment and ethnic intimidation.

 

A news release from athletic department director Mike Bohn on Sunday announced the suspension of offensive tackle Clint O'Neal and Jackie Zeigle's decision to leave the cross-country and track teams, but did not mention the e-mail.

 

A police report said O'Neal and Zeigle, who are both white, sent the typo-filled message to Greg Castro. It called Castro a "river rat" and "border hopper." The message suggested O'Neal would drag Castro behind his car.

 

O'Neal, a 6-foot-6, 305-pound senior from Weatherford, Texas, was suspended for violation of team and athletic department rules. Bohn did not say how long the suspension would last. Colorado plays Clemson in the Champs Sports Bowl on Dec. 27.

 

He said Zeigle, a junior from South Jordan, Utah, had told the university she was quitting the program for personal reasons.

 

Bohn said privacy rules prevented the disclosure of any other information in the case other than to say the decision on O'Neal was made after several meetings over the past few days.

 

Neither O'Neal or Zeigle is listed in the telephone directory, and an athletic department spokesman did not return a call seeking contact information.

 

The suspension announcement comes three days after football coach Gary Barnett was ousted. In addition to losing his last two games by a total score of 100-6, the program had endured a sordid recruiting scandal in which sex was allegedly used to entice athletes to come to the school.

 

Police said O'Neal told them he was upset after his team lost the Big 12 Championship game 70-3 to Texas. He told Zeigle to use his account and write the message. Zeigle told police she was retaliating against her teammate because he is obsessed with her and harasses her.

 

Police said Castro told them he felt threatened by the message and slept at a friend's house. He told the Daily Camera he doesn't harass Zeigle.

 

Both Zeigle and O'Neal are scheduled to appear in court on Dec. 19.

[Jorge Gorgeous 0]

Assuming LenDale and Vince Young both come back, they'll both be in the Top 5. Also, Peterson is a fucking stud. Should he stay healthy he will break 2000 yards. You could also whichever FSU quarterback ends up starting next year in the running.

 

Heres a question, does JoePa come back after this year?

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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2253849

 

That list has possible names for Colorado's next coach. I think Tom O'Brien would be a terrific hire for them considering the discipline he would bring to the program along with 7 straight bowl trips that he led BC to.

Randy Shannon should have a head coaching job, hopefully not there.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Assuming LenDale and Vince Young both come back, they'll both be in the Top 5. Also, Peterson is a fucking stud. Should he stay healthy he will break 2000 yards. You could also whichever FSU quarterback ends up starting next year in the running.

 

Heres a question, does JoePa come back after this year?

 

 

JoePa will die on the field.

[Damaramu 0]

Since this is a bowl babbling thread to I'd like to mention that OU's chances of winning in the Holiday Bowl hinge on AD getting going. If AD does not go over 100 yards and get at least a TD(probably will need 2) they won't win.

[Vern Gagne 0]

That's important, but we don't know how interested Oregon is going to be. Cal. was in the same boat last year, and Texas Tech kicked their asses in the Holiday Bowl.

[Bored 0]

The New Orleans Bowl webpage is fun. They haven't updated their records page since the 2002 game when the bowl was whole two years old. Dammit innocent children could be visiting the site and think Gino Guidugli holds the record for most passing yards when it's really Danny Wimprine!

[Guest Leelee]

Lolz... poor New Orleans Bowl.

[Bored 0]

More small bowl website fun. I was looking at the schedule of events for the GMAC Bowl and noticed this:

Saturday, December 17th

9:00 am Godfather's Pizza Players Hospital Visit

Hospital visits now have sponsors?

[iggymcfly 0]

Since this is a bowl babbling thread to I'd like to mention that OU's chances of winning in the Holiday Bowl hinge on AD getting going. If AD does not go over 100 yards and get at least a TD(probably will need 2) they won't win.

 

He will. Oregon's biggest weakness is their run defense, and Peterson should be ready to run the ball 40 or so times after having so much time off between games. The only way Oklahoma loses the game is if they let Bomar throw the ball too much, and Oregon starts picking him off.

 

If Bomar throws 1 INT or less, the Sooners win the Holiday Bowl.

[Damaramu 0]

Since this is a bowl babbling thread to I'd like to mention that OU's chances of winning in the Holiday Bowl hinge on AD getting going. If AD does not go over 100 yards and get at least a TD(probably will need 2) they won't win.

 

He will. Oregon's biggest weakness is their run defense, and Peterson should be ready to run the ball 40 or so times after having so much time off between games. The only way Oklahoma loses the game is if they let Bomar throw the ball too much, and Oregon starts picking him off.

 

If Bomar throws 1 INT or less, the Sooners win the Holiday Bowl.

 

Yes but what of OU's very very porous pass defense?

[iggymcfly 0]

I wouldn't call it very very porous. More like middle of the road. Without Clemens, the Ducks aren't all that explosive anyway. Leaf and Dixon might throw for 250 or 300 combined, but they aren't going to be lighting up the scoreboard or anything. I think that the Sooners really match up well against Oregon.