College Football - Bowl & Heisman Babbling

[nogoodnick 0]

Oregon may not need to stop Petersen to win. Against Cal they gave up over 200 yards rushing and still won (barely, and in OT though). Unless Dixon lights it up through the air it should be a close game that depends heavily on Bomar's mistakes. Of course Belotti and Crowton will have had a month to gameplan and I'm sure the offense will be rolling.

[Damaramu 0]

Oregon may not need to stop Petersen to win. Against Cal they gave up over 200 yards rushing and still won (barely, and in OT though). Unless Dixon lights it up through the air it should be a close game that depends heavily on Bomar's mistakes. Of course Belotti and Crowton will have had a month to gameplan and I'm sure the offense will be rolling.

 

Yeah but Stoops and his staff will have a month to gameplan and Stoops is one of the best coaches in America.

[nogoodnick 0]

But how good is their defensive staff? There seem to be some issues since Mike left. Bellotti and Crowton on the other hand are one of the best offensive duos in the country.

[Damaramu 0]

But how good is their defensive staff? There seem to be some issues since Mike left. Bellotti and Crowton on the other hand are one of the best offensive duos in the country.

 

The defensive staff is still pretty damn good. The only issues the defense has had since Mike left was the secondary. The thing is though that it is really young this season and they aren't quite getting lit up like they were last year with experienced players. So that tells me that this year it may just be youth b/c Bobby Jack Wright is the new secondary coach and he's supposedly a Mike Stoops clone.

Venables runs the front 7 and they're among the best in the country. For a time they had the #1 rush defense and I believe they're still in the top 5. OU can make it to the QB and create havoc in the backfield. They've got a ton of sacks and I believe the linebackers have more INTs than the secondary.

 

On top of that Stoops is one of the best defensive minds in the country and O-Coordinator Chuck Long has proven that when he wants to he can produce some amazing plays that get them some points. His play calling is good but his problem stems from either playing a bad team or getting ahead and then getting complacent. I don't believe that he gets complacent against Oregon. He'll come out of the gates firing and pulling out all the stops. I expect Oregon to do the same obviously.

 

But basically you just did the same thing the USC fans did in regards to Texas. "Oh well my coach is going to have all this time to prepare which will make things difficult for your team!" and the response is kind of like "Yeah but we have a great coach too that will also have the same amount of time to prepare." I mean your statement kind of acted like Stoops wasn't going to prepare that he was just going to deal with it and let the other team do all the preparing. Which is not the case. Stoops is one of the best coaches in the country and he's going to take a more active hand in the defense. His defenses at Florida were amazing and so was OU's defense for a time(i mean they had a top 5 defense from like 2000 to 2003).

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Yes Stoops has a great bowl record....

[nogoodnick 0]

I actually didn't know how much Stoops was involved with the defense. With the way you talk about the OU secondary one would think they're coached by a pack of retarded monkeys.

 

Porter are you trying to say Stoops isnt a good coach? I hope not.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

No he's a great coach, but really, Dama is acting like if you give Stoops a month to prepare, he's lights out. Which is why I pointed to his recent bowls.

[Jorge Gorgeous 0]

UCLA let AP go for a touchdown and 23 carries, Oklahoma still got shat upon. Dennis Dixon is a good quarterback, his QB rating is comparable to Clemens. Oregon's offense is wide open and packed with weapons - Dante Rosario, Tim Day, Demetrius Williams, Cameron Colvin, Jordan Kent (probably faster than anyone Oklahoma has seen this year), James Finley, Terrence Whitehead is a pretty good back and Jonathan Stewart can pound the ball.

 

Furthermore, its not easy to run on the Ducks. They have a thick d-line that includes Haloti Ngata and Devan Long.

 

Oregon was just a better team this year, if they show up to play, its over. I don't think Oklahoma wins this one... either Oregon wins it or Oregon loses it.

[Damaramu 0]

Well first of all Peterson was still injured against UCLA. Yeah he went out for half the season when he injured it against KSU but he suffered his original ankle injury against TCU.

 

Second of all you can't judge OU based off of those early season games before Texas. Bomar was still figuring things out and they were having line trouble. Most of OU's trouble in that game came from QB/Center exchange problems which they don't have anymore. If OU hadn't turned the ball over so much against UCLA then they would've won the game. UCLA got 17 points off of turnovers. OU had Drew bottled up the whole game then they let him go at the end when they realized it was over.

 

So I don't think you're right at all and your assessment is way off base. If Oregon loses it's because OU won the game.

I still picked Oregon but OU is nowhere near as bad as you're making them out to be.

 

You said Kent was the fastest OU has faced? Don't forget they've faced Vince Young, Ramonce Taylor, Limas Sweed, Jammal Charles, Jarrett Hicks, Taurean Henderson, and Maurice Drew this season. All those players are very good and very fast.

 

Oregon won't be able to run and OU should be able to run with Peterson. The guy can break huge runs when he's healthy and he's a freak of nature.

If Bomar turns the ball over then they're in trouble but he hasn't fumbled or been sacked in a long time.

[nogoodnick 0]

Kent isn't a very polished receiver (hes only been on the team for 6 months) but he has Olympic class speed on top of being 6-5 and about a 40 inch vertical.

 

Oregon probably doesn't plan on running since theyve only had a 100 yard rusher twice this season.

[Damaramu 0]

I think it'll be a good game. OU is a lot better than their record. If we go back to the beginning of the season and have OU play like they are now then they easily take TCU and probably UCLA.

 

Why are the NFL guys going so crazy over Reggie Bush? I understand he has talent and he's awesome but there are some guys that were just awesome in college that turn out to be nobody in the NFL. What if Bush becomes an NFL bust?

Seriously everytime ESPN mentions the guy I think I'm listening to a USC press release written by an undergrad at USC.

The guy is not tested in the NFL so I wish they'd quit putting him up there as "one of the best players in the world" and putting him next to the likes of LT and Alexander. Hell they even jumped on Mike Ditka earlier for saying he'd rather have LT and Larry Johnson than Reggie Bush.

[nogoodnick 0]

Have you seen Reggie Bush play? Not watch highlights, but watch a whole game? He plays at a whole different speed than the rest of the country. Everytime he touches the ball he is a threat to score. He shreds defenses like no one else (8.9 yards per carry). I would be crazy over him if I was an NFL analyst. He still will need to prove he can withstand the punishment of the NFL but he does some of the most amazing things ever seen on a football field.

[Damaramu 0]

Yes I have seen several USC games.

Yes the guy is good but there will be people in the NFL that are, get this.....FASTER THAN HIM! And bigger and meaner!

He hasn't been proven in the NFL.

And he's not going to be able to hurdle anyone in the NFL and I honestly don't think he can pull off all those moves because in the NFL he's playing against the best of the best who have just as many moves if not more moves and speed than he does.

He may be awesome but he's not the greatest thing to ever happen to football and I think when all is said and done LT, Shaun Alexander, and yes even Barry Sanders will be considered better football players than Reggie Bush.

 

Yeah I can understand why the NFL analysts are creaming themselves but to ridicule Mike Ditka for saying he'd rather have Johnson and LT is ABSURD. Johnson and LT have proven themselves in the NFL and Bush has not. Of course you take them over Bush.

[CanadianChris 0]

I think when all is said and done LT, Shaun Alexander, and yes even Barry Sanders will be considered better football players than Reggie Bush.

So you think Tomlinson and Alexander are better than Barry Sanders?

[nogoodnick 0]

Thats the way he made it look. I consider Sanders the best RB of all time and he is at least top 4 in everyones opinion so it didnt make sense to me either.

[Guest]

Yes the guy is good but there will be people in the NFL that are, get this.....FASTER THAN HIM! And bigger and meaner!

That click to view post is like crack.

 

Anyway, I don't think that anyone in the league is faster than him sans a few WR's, maybe a few RB's, and some small, can't tackle DB's.

 

He hasn't been proven in the NFL.

And he's not going to be able to hurdle anyone in the NFL and I honestly don't think he can pull off all those moves because in the NFL he's playing against the best of the best who have just as many moves if not more moves and speed than he does.

There are going to be a few linebackers that obviously will be able to handle Reggie, but the lower skilled guys? No way.

 

He may be awesome but he's not the greatest thing to ever happen to football and I think when all is said and done LT, Shaun Alexander, and yes even Barry Sanders will be considered better football players than Reggie Bush.

No one's ever said that he's the best player ever and I can guarantee that you will not be able to find that exact quote, pulled verbatim from any reputable site. Also, don't compare Shaun Alexander or LT to Barry Sanders. They are totally different types of backs.

[CanadianChris 0]

That click to view post is like crack.

Told ya.

[Guest]

It is, but this time I had the feeling it was of importance, and it was.

 

Yeah I can understand why the NFL analysts are creaming themselves but to ridicule Mike Ditka for saying he'd rather have Johnson and LT is ABSURD. Johnson and LT have proven themselves in the NFL and Bush has not. Of course you take them over Bush.

I can see why the analysts do get mad though, because generally when a young player such as Bush and as good as Bush is coming into the league (ex. James, LeBron; Vick, Michael) it's accepted for it to be said that you would want that young, franchise, ticket-drawing, merchandise-selling player.

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Not that I disagree, Kingofthe909, but LT is a pretty good draw himself. Larry Johnson will get there if he continues the way he is.

[Damaramu 0]

I didn't say they were better than Barry. But Salisbury said that Reggie Bush is a "Once in 40 years" player which means that he thinks he's better than Sanders. Because he's saying you only get a player this good once every 40 years or so and I'm pretty sure Barry happened less than 40 years ago.

And on top of that Salisbury put Bush up there with LT and Alexander and said those were the 3 best players on the planet. And I can't remember which ESPN guy it was but one of them said that Bush was the best player on the planet period. And of course they were ridiculing Ditka today for saying he'd rather have LT and Larry Johnson than Reggie Bush.

 

So basically there's a bunch of people saying Bush is an NFL superstar.....before the guy has ever set foot on an NFL field! The guy could walk into the NFL and be a total flop. There's been great college players that have done it and he could be another one. So I wish everyone would quit acting like it's a sure thing this guy will win the rushing title and MVP.

[nogoodnick 0]

It doesn't mean he's better than Barry. It means a guy with this type of ability is very rare. Mike Vick is in this category as far as physical skill go but that doesn't make him better than Marino, Elway, etc.

[Guest]

Not that I disagree, Kingofthe909, but LT is a pretty good draw himself. Larry Johnson will get there if he continues the way he is.

Of course. I don't think that they are right, but to defend them, Bush has more shelf life than both, thus the knee jerk reaction they are having.

 

I didn't say they were better than Barry. But Salisbury said that Reggie Bush is a "Once in 40 years" player which means that he thinks he's better than Sanders. Because he's saying you only get a player this good once every 40 years or so and I'm pretty sure Barry happened less than 40 years ago.

2 things.

 

1. He meant coming into the draft, the pure skill level that Bush has shown him leads him to believe that. It's alright to say that.

 

2. He is a USC alum, what do you expect?

 

So basically there's a bunch of people saying Bush is an NFL superstar.....before the guy has ever set foot on an NFL field! The guy could walk into the NFL and be a total flop. There's been great college players that have done it and he could be another one. So I wish everyone would quit acting like it's a sure thing this guy will win the rushing title and MVP.

 

I think that this is a LeBron James type of situation in that we don't know how good they will be when they become a pro, but what we have seen leads us to say that the player will be really good, if not great.

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Aww Dama is upset Jason White didn't get this kind of hype... he was shitting on Carson Palmer as well. Seems Palmer did well for himself. I'll just chalk it up to USC hate, as usual.

[nogoodnick 0]

Also Reggie Bush is the most marketable player to come into the NFL since Vick. He's not even done playing college ball and he is a worldwide celeb. Every team wants this guy to be the face of their franchise.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I wonder how many NFL teams would be willing to trade their "franchise" backs just for a shot at Bush...

[Guest]

Trades won't net you a 1st round pick though.

[nogoodnick 0]

I doubt anyone with a proven young guy would do it.

[therealworldschampion 0]

I didn't say they were better than Barry. But Salisbury said that Reggie Bush is a "Once in 40 years" player which means that he thinks he's better than Sanders. Because he's saying you only get a player this good once every 40 years or so and I'm pretty sure Barry happened less than 40 years ago.

And on top of that Salisbury put Bush up there with LT and Alexander and said those were the 3 best players on the planet. And I can't remember which ESPN guy it was but one of them said that Bush was the best player on the planet period. And of course they were ridiculing Ditka today for saying he'd rather have LT and Larry Johnson than Reggie Bush.

 

Dama, you should know better than to take anything Sean Salisbury says seriously.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

Trades won't net you a 1st round pick though.

 

If a team wanted Bush that badly I could see a scenario where they trade the HB AND their first rounder for the top pick. In the year Vick was drafted, he was drafted with San Diego's pick that Atlanta traded for.

[therealworldschampion 0]

Trades won't net you a 1st round pick though.

 

If a team wanted Bush that badly I could see a scenario where they trade the HB AND their first rounder for the top pick. In the year Vick was drafted, he was drafted with San Diego's pick that Atlanta traded for.

 

*Thinks about Westbrook and the Eagles' 1st rounder going to Houston for the #1 pick*

 

Nah it'll never happen despite Westbrook's tendency to get injured. Andy would have to release his boy Reno because he'd never play anymore...