An idea for the hardcore title

[Guest Dangerous A]

I think a way to try to spice up the hardcore division would be to.........

 

1) Get rid of the 24/7 rule. Terri winning the title for even 15 seconds just made me want to tune out anything having to do with "hardcore".

 

2) I would still retain the weapons are legal rule and falls count anywhere stuff, but I would steal the old Texas Death match rules. After a 3 count is made, the opponent has until a standing 10 count. If he makes it to 10, then the match continues. This would give the illusion that the guys are actually going through a "hardcore" war for this title, not just waiting for the right oppurtunity to hit someone with an object and then grab a ref to make a 3 count for you.

 

The old format is stale and lame. I think this would inject a little more excitement into the "hardcore" division and not have it be the lame and stale sideshow it is right now.

 

What do you guys think?

[Guest]

They need a good belt. Not some piece of shit with duct tape. That, is the first step to recovery, make it look as much 'desireable' as the others.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

Well, i've said a million times raven should carry the division and have booking duties, but really i don't see much point now. They've killed it.

[Guest NoCalMike]

Biggest concern with the hardcore title, is the lame 24/7 rule.  Also, if someone like Terri even gets involved in a hardcore match, she should just get stomped or put through a table, plain and simple.  I mean seriously, I don't need to see 2 three-hundred pounders wrestling for a title only to see a woman weighing about a buck and a little change, running down from nowhere to get a pinfall.  I really don't think the hardcore title is necessary in 2002.  If wrestlers want to add a hardcore(no dq) stipulation to their match they can just do it. Make it like a grudge match or something, but the title matches have been turned into sideshows involving no less than 6 people per match.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

24/7 was only really funny with Crash...he brought good comic elements to the title...past that though I wish they'd make the divison more sadistic and less goofy.

 

I kinda liked Blackman with the title, it was a good fit for him.

 

If they did it right and took out the 24/7 thing I think Tommy Dreamer could be a good fit.

 

And if it's 24/7...why doesn't Vince send a Smackdown wrestler to Raw to go steal the title...

[Guest saturnmark4life]

If they did it right and took out the 24/7 thing I think Tommy Dreamer could be a good fit.

 

And if it's 24/7...why doesn't Vince send a Smackdown wrestler to Raw to go steal the title...

I'd like the idea but it looks like tommy has been titanized. Saturn's on smackdown (or he will be). I never understood why he didn't get a run with the belt. but i'm biased.

[Guest]

the 24/7 rule allows more people to get involved into the match, allowing more people normally not have matches at RAW or Smackdown to appear and have a couple of seconds on the camera.

 

What the Hardcore division needs

 

Is actual  wrestlers compete for it... and not the same ol people over and over but people who could feud over it for months

 

Have gimmick type hardcore matches, delve into What hardcore suppose to be..not cookie sheets or Gold plated trash can lids, but I mean circa ECW style going all over the arena tables weapons... Fricken Barbwire... did NWA corner the market in the 80's for Barbwire matches before ECW came along??? Japanese style matches... Make em bleeeed

 

make it accessable for both rosters  for the hardcore title..AND allow the alternate roster to infultrate and win the title or attempt to.

 

Hardcore title is a good title for people who are past their prime who are either too new or too old in the game who basically don't do much but brawl

 

so you know what that means

 

The Hardcore title Needs the Former WCW Hardcore champion..

 

HAKU!!!!

 

HAKU MANIA  RUNNING WILD!!!!

[Guest]

The Hardcore title Needs the Former WCW Hardcore champion..

 

HAKU!!!!

 

HAKU MANIA  RUNNING WILD!!!!

Hakumaina at least  we wouldn't have to worry about being blinded when his hat comes off

[Guest]

I agree when someone said that the Hardcore title has no place in 2002. Stips can be added to the match to make it hardcore, but the actual "division" is lame and stale. If anything, scrap that title and create a Television title. The Hardcore title seems to be defended every week, so it's essentially the closest thing they have to a TV title, except for that dumbass 24/7 rule.

[Guest JHawk]

And if it's 24/7...why doesn't Vince send a Smackdown wrestler to Raw to go steal the title...

 

I'll actually give the writers some credit here.  I've expected it at both PPVs since the split.  Have an SD guy jump Stevie from behind, take the title, run like hell out of the building.  Maybe D-Von questions how they could chase a title named after a pornographic movie.

 

Note to any WWE guys who might be lurking on these boards:  DO NOT STEAL THAT IDEA!

[Guest]

I say drop the title period. It's a waste of space. Hardcore wrestling is dead, and there's nothing they can do to really bring it back. It was novel at one time because it was relatively new to the mainstream audience, but now all hardcore matches look the same, and the whole concept lost it's novel approach. It's a joke belt, and there's no way they're going to build any credibility to the title, and I don't even think they should try

[Guest the pinjockey]

If the title was not a complete joke I would say put it on Brock and use the gimmick that everyone is afraid to take him on.  Every once in a while a brave soul goes after him and gets destroyed.  This could bring back his KO gimmick because he could just massacre a person all legal then just leave he dosen't need the win.  And anyone in ear of the writers who "suggests" that Brock shouldn't use KOs gets fired.

 

The only problem is by this point you can not put the belt on a credible wrestler and that is the only way to make the belt mean something so I say just drop it.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

OK, definitely drop the 24/7 rule.  Its had some fun moments, but when you have Terri and other women wrestlers (am I sexist in the aspect that women could never wrestle any "hardcore" style, even a joke one in the U.S.? no, just being a realist) winning via that rule and Lawler finding an excuse to scream PUPPIES~! more... it's time to kill that rule.  Or get Crash to make it funny again... you know he can.  PACIFICA PRIDE~!

 

As for the rest of it... why not just unify it to make a TV title? It works for OAOAT

[Guest evenflowDDT]

That standing ten count thing is kinda weird though... not sure if it would go over because it's not that easy to understand.  Maybe if I saw it in an actual match, but on paper I don't get it at all.

[Guest goodhelmet]

ok, first of all, if it's going to be a realtitle, it has to look like a real title. the shit garbage look makes it a really bad joke in itself.

 

Next, watch the yamakawa-homna deathmatches from 99-2000 and see how to defend a hardcore belt. treat it with respect and people will view it with respect. same can be said about all the other titles.

[Guest Muzz]

I'd keep the title, but only if they brought the Mean Street Posse back to feud with Crash.

 

I actually liked their segments, because it was only the posse after the title, and Crash is a good comedic element.

[Guest]

Well, the European title is essentially a joke. I couldn't even remember who the champ was off the top of my head. Unify them and you can have the Hard Korean title.

[Guest]

That standing ten count thing is kinda weird though... not sure if it would go over because it's not that easy to understand.  Maybe if I saw it in an actual match, but on paper I don't get it at all.

It's Texas Death, man.

After each fall [pinfall or submission] the referee administers a 10 count. If the wrestler who was pinned [or submitted] cannot rise to his feet by the end of the 10 count, then the match is over. If he does get up, then the match continues until the next fall and 10 count.

 

Kinda like boxing I guess. You get knocked down [a fall] and the ref starts the count.

 

It's an interesting idea, but I don't think that today's fans would embrace it as much as the old schooler's would. Especially if it was a stip for every hardcore match. Maybe a once-in-a-while type thing, but not for every match.

[Guest]

(am I sexist in the aspect that women could never wrestle any "hardcore" style, even a joke one in the U.S.? no, just being a realist)

 

No, you're being a sexist. I've seen some bloody bloody women's matches from Japan. Unfortunately my roommate with all the deathmatch tapes is sleeping right now so I can't ask him what the names of the wrestlers were!

 

Next, watch the yamakawa-homna deathmatches from 99-2000 and see how to defend a hardcore belt.

 

Damn straight. Those should be required viewing; just as everyone at least knows about the Cactus Jack/Terry Funk Japanese deathmatches, y'all should catch some of this stuff too.

 

Unify them and you can have the Hard Korean title.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

 

Seriously, though, remember some months ago when it was Undertaker, Jeff Hardy, and RVD feuding over the Hardcore belt? That was great. Minimal tin foil cookie sheets, maximal brawling and sickness (at least by WWF standards). Although, I have to admit I marked out when Kane chased Raven and Big Show (?) in the golf cart...