Kotr thoughts (sd! spoiler)

[Guest]

Well as you people complain about the game HHH I figure Id post my thoughts and hopes in the upcoming KOTR. First though, give HHH a break ok, what about Nash playing some politics toward the nWo, or Austin being a baby at times still, its not all HHH's fault, its the BOOKERS! Leave the game alone. ANYway this year's KOTR could be very good and after SD! could start to shine.

 

WWE Title

HHH VS UT

Okay so what HHH did get his shot but face it, anyone who won HIAC was going to get it. RVD's push will come soon enough but give it a rest. I read that Storm got involved in HHH's business which could mean nothing or they could be giving Lance a shove. Lance may not be over enough yet though but we will see. Throw Jericho in there too and make it a four way or something and I would buy.

 

Rumored Matches

 

Austin/Eddy - Come on man **** classic here and makes me want to order the ppv.

Beniot/RVD - Another **** that I would absolutely drool over.

(Note: it could be the other way around but either way its still all **** material there)

 

Angle/Hogan - I think that Angle could get a good match out of hogan but I wouldnt be surprised to see Hogan win

 

KOTR tournament - there can't be too many more other matches cause they do need room for the KOTR tournament. Brackets aren't up yet and hopefully we get them up by RAW on Monday.

 

Yeah its still too early to give it a good go, but hey this week has been a HUGE improvement over the crap in the past month. Give HHH a break, and actually ENJOY that we are not being feeded crap once again this week.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

". Give HHH a break, and actually ENJOY that we are not being feeded crap once again this week. "

 

 

My point of contention for this week is that Eddy/RVD killed themselves with ladders to try and help ratings.

 

Then Angle and Edge had to go in a cage to try and help ratings...

 

...but when it came time to discuss the world title the shot goes to HHH...who happens to be injured to boot.

 

And since RVD wasn't involved in the post match Austin/Eddy/Benoit angle...hes not involved with them at the ppv either.

 

Besides the fact that if Benoit is ready they aren't going to have him lose his first match back...or give him the IC title which is beneath him now.

 

Benoit will cost Austin his match with Eddy.

 

RVD will either beat XPac in an IC title match (or...BIG SHOW!!!!) or job in the finals of the tourney to whatever Raw guy they want to challenge him for the IC title next (Booker or Brock probably.)

[Guest Brian]

I think Benoit and RVD will meet in the KOTR tournament, as I've posted in my random thoughts thread.

[Guest goodhelmet]

sorry brian, benoit is still a month away from in-ring action. But even with HGH against Booger Red, if Austin-Eddy is on the ppv, I am there!!!!

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Then Benoit and RVD would have to be the only 2 Raw guys in the tourney...since they only have 4 guys on ppv.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

sorry brian, benoit is still a month away from in-ring action. But even with HGH against Booger Red, if Austin-Eddy is on the ppv, I am there!!!!

I'm not.

 

My boycott of WWE ppvs starts with KOTR and continues with every ppv that HHH main events.

 

If this is anything like the 11 in a row that he Mained from 99/00...It will be a while before the WWE gets my money.

 

You know...they raise prices and the Main Events they sell it with are:

 

Hogan vs. HHH (Very Bad)

Hogan vs. Taker (Even Worse)

HHH vs. Taker (Draw your own conclusions)

[Guest Brian]

Because Benoit wins, he goes onto win teh tournament, and likewise for RVD. Now if they capitalize on the tournament win, and ride that to RVD getting a title shot against Undertaker at the PPV and Benoit going up against Austin. See, you have to look at it as part of a long-term thing. If Benoit wins the tournament, they can say it was warm-up being his first night of in-ring action.

[Guest goodhelmet]

bps, i agree that the main will suck shit but with eddy and austin, there's a **** match right there. If Angle is paired with anyone, a **** match can happen. I have to go to a bar now to watch ppv's so i'm not exactly breaking the bank watching it. I've always maintained that the most important thing is quality matches. If something other than the main can provide that then I don't really have a big problem with it. BUT I will stay pray and hope HHH shatters his Damn kneecap.

[Guest red_file]

Besides the fact that if Benoit is ready they aren't going to have him lose his first match back...or give him the IC title which is beneath him now.

That is, of course, always assuming that their plan is to elevate and keep Benoit above the IC level.  Given their past record, it seems very likely that being the king of the midcard is all that is in store for Benoit.

[Guest Brian]

Do you guys realize that if Triple H gets injured again it's just going to get worse? He'll come back with more hype, be slower in the ring, and try to get his spot back. At least now there's room for improvement, but why would you want to see him go back to square one.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I'm just waiting for Vince to die so that HHH can propose to Stephanie and It can all come to an end.

[Guest goodhelmet]

but brian think of the work while he was gone. **** match after **** match. The storylines were horrible but they are not any better now. The fed is a better place without that slug. And I think it's possible if he gets hurt again there won't be a comeback

[Guest Brian]

But before he left the WWF was having one of their best grossing periods ever. Triple H draws at the right points in time. I'm sure if he was a heel at this point right now, everyone would be looking at him in a totally different light. He did a pretty good job bumping for Hogan. There's a lot of promise. I'm not willing to put a guy down if he's still suffereing from something that was a career threatening, and until that kneecap heals up and he has a month or two to work off of it, I won't make any judgments. I was criticizing Austin in 1998 and 1999 when he was walking cripple, and his matches weren't exactly the cream of the crop. I'm not going to make that same mistake. First thing is he needs to turn heel. At least as a heel he could do everything but with that exclamation, he could bump more and sell more, and he'd actually get more of a workout because he'd be moving more. Until he gets out of the face position, it's not worth the time of day to be trashing the guy. Everybody already does it. When he's at 100% and not working through injuries, it may be a totally different story. My point is, don't pass judgment on people. You know what they say about those who cast stones...

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

This goes back to the same damn thing I said leading into WrestleMania.

 

If hes not physically ready to go...and isn't having truly good matches yet...

 

WHY THE FUCK IS HE IN THE MAIN EVENT?

[Guest Brian]

Because they don't care. Because they think he's over enought to be in the main event. Because he's their back-up plan. I am not the guy to ask about this.

 

I totally understood the WrestleMania thing though. They thought that they could put sympathy on him and build him up as a badass that made him popular during his face run. Failed in the first department. Could catch lightning in a bottle on the latter.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"But before he left the WWF was having one of their best grossing periods ever. "

 

actually, when he was injured the ratings were in a free fall due to the piss poor austin heel turn, the taker-kane vs power trip feud and the absence of the rock. maybe surrounding Mania but not immediately prior to the injury.

 

As for your other points, if he's not able to go bps summed it up "WHY IS HE FIGHTING FOR THE WORLD TITLE when 1) his ability to draw is severely dimished 2) he's not over and 3) he can't wrestle worth a shit.

[Guest Brian]

Surrounding and prior to his injury, especially the period where he was the focus of storylines (March to September 2000).

[Guest goodhelmet]

you also have to recognize that the Rock was his main feud and was the reason they were grossing as much as they were. The wrestling was through the friggin roof during this time period. And before Angle had his legs cut out from under him was involved in a very compelling love triangle that had no satisfactory conclusion.

[Guest Brian]

And Steph was also booking during that period too.

 

But Triple H in that period was involved in better matches than we've seen in the last two years and working with guys further down the card than what Jericho has to, so there is still alot of hope if he's put into the right spot.

[Guest Anglesault]

Why was Hunter main eventing Wrestlemania?  Because the people DEMANDED that he march into Mania and squash Jericho. Of course, those people are HHH and Stephanie, but that's just a formality. The fans really wanted to see it as well, they just didn't show it.

[Guest Brian]

Because the bookers believed that they could build Triple H as an efective babyface by creating sympathy for him by overplaying his video while trying to stand by his badass gimmick that started to turn him face as a heel, and turning him into a smartass as part of cerebral assasin side.

[Guest Anglesault]

And those people getting up and leaving during HHH's big match? They weren't leaving because they didn't care! They were leaving so they could buy the HHH autographed mat plaque at the souvenier stand!

[Guest goodhelmet]

ok, brian we understand why they did what they did with hhh but the simple fact is it failed and it failed badly. it wasn't jericho's fault. it was because 1)hhh is a shitty actor and angle was needed to carry out the love triangle 2)because jericho his opponent that they had spent months prior to his returned was treated as a jobber and 3)because  any halfway compelling idea that was in the works rpior to his return was thrown completely out the window.

 

So now there is no justifiable reason for HHH to wear the belt other than they want another nostalgia reign because of his past accolades. And as Hogan proved, the past doesn't sell tickets.

[Guest Dangerous A]

"And those people getting up and leaving during HHH's big match? They weren't leaving because they didn't care! They were leaving so they could buy the HHH autographed mat plaque at the souvenier stand!"

 

 

Actually quite a few of those people were leaving because it was already past midnight where WM was taking place and they had to be at work or wherever and felt they had already seen the highlight of the show(Rock/Hogan). That coupled with the worse buildup for a championship match this side of Taker/Sid WM 13 and you have people walking out.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

It wasn't psat midnight.

 

Toronto is in the east.

 

The show ended at Midnight.

 

Just saying.

[Guest Anglesault]

felt they had already seen the highlight of the show(Rock/Hogan). That coupled with the worse buildup for a championship match this side of Taker/Sid WM 13 and you have people walking out.

 

So you agree with me that the people didn't care about the title match. But I thought HHH was out Lord and SAVIOR that everyone loved? If he was such a monster over Babyface that the fans DEMANDED get a titleshot, don't you think they would have stayed to watch him win?

[Guest goodhelmet]

True That AS, True That!

[Guest Dangerous A]

I'm not gonna argue that HHH was over enough to warrant that title run because he wasn't. Just wanted to point out from people I know who were there that were walking out during that some of it was the show was late and felt they didn't need to watch that match after the emotional rollar coaster that was Rock/Hogan. A lot of the casuals were already satisfied with that spectacle and didn't care for the title match and they shouldn't have cared because Vince and the writing team dropped the ball on that storyline.

[Guest Anglesault]

Vince and the writing team dropped the ball on that storyline.

 

Which brings us right back to square one. Who's the head booker on the writing team and who is she dating?

[Guest Dangerous A]

Oh, I'm not trying to take any blame from Steph for the WM championshit (not a typo) debacle, but Vince is the one who saw the script for that shit and decided it was good for tv. Now Anglesault, say it with me, fuck Vince. (waves hand like Obi-Wan)