Guest Kingpk Report post Posted May 31, 2002 As almost everyone has heard by now, Jason Kidd's wife attended Game 4 of the East Finals in Boston with their son and apparently was yelled and cursed at by Celtics fans, who even started a chant of "wife beater" at one point. Now Kidd's all pissed, his wife is "fearing for her son and her own life", and the New York papers are making this out to be a huge deal. Here's a little piece of advice for Mr. + Mrs. Kidd: Next time, try not to SIT IN THE FUCKING STANDS AT THE VISITING ARENA WHEN ALMOST EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE!!!! Stay at the hotel, get a luxury box, anything but sitting 6 rows from courtside amongst fans who have had a few too many "refreshments" and have seen your picture plastered in the newspaper with your son who your idiot husband, who started this whole mess, has at every press confrence. Now, I'm not letting the fans off the hook, that was unacceptable behavior, but I would think Mrs. Kidd would exercise some fucking common sense. But of course, she came out in a press confrence and said "Well, Boston fans are low in intelligence to begin with." She's probably staying home for Game 6, which will be the most intelligent thing she will do this week. Rant over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted May 31, 2002 So a athletes family shouldn't be able to attend a game??? They are right...the fans are idiots. When its gets so serious that you have to be calling a players wife who is sitting with a infant son bitch because her husband is kicking your teams ass on the court, then maybe you should stop watching sports. What did Kidd do to start this...play basketball. Tough, get over it. The fans are morons. She should have the right to come and watch her husband play basketball just like all the Boston fans have the right to come and see thier home team play. The point of the fans are to cheer their team, and boo the opposition...not curse out the spouses and family of the players. That is pathetic behavior. Its kinda like when Chris Chandlers wife would be at games and morons would be telling her that they hope her husband breaks his neck so that Michael Vick can play. There is a line between sportmanship and being a asshole...and the fans of Boston have crossed. At the end of the day, its just sports. BTW, I was here in Atlanta the last time a bunch of fans pissed Kidd off....it wasn't a pretty sight what he did on the court. The Boston fans aren't helping here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted May 31, 2002 "Now, I'm not letting the fans off the hook, that was unacceptable behavior, but I would think Mrs. Kidd would exercise some fucking common sense." She did. She was in attendance at her husband's game. Wives and family go to games all the time, and there's no possible way to rationalize fans heaping abuse like that upon them. It's one thing to root for your own team and boo the other guys, but there's no need to get on a guy's wife, *especially* when she has a small child with her. That's just tasteless, classless, and incredibly stupid. David Wells almost went after a fan when the jackass made a crack about Wells' late mother. There are some lines you just don't cross. "Hey Wells, you suck!" is vastly different from, "Hey Wells, your mom's dead, ha ha!" Fans in NJ were also getting on Paul Pierce about the near-fatal stabbing attack he endured a couple years ago. Remember that "fan" is short for "fanatic." The fans in this series are excellent reminders of that, and another reason why I hate being lumped into an all-inclusive category like "sports fan." Being a modern sports fan, in many cases, seems to be all about bad taste. But as John Waters said, there's good bad taste, and bad bad taste. We're seeing far too many examples of the latter recently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted May 31, 2002 I'll always remember Vernon Maxwell going up 20 rows to beat the crap out of this guy talking about his dead daughter. The NBA actully suspended him with no pay for 22 games while most of the players in the league were on his side on that one. The fan with the "Will somebody stab Paul Pierce" sign was just as out of line. It should never get that serious to you. The second you even think something like that, its time for some self-evaluation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DragonflyKid Report post Posted May 31, 2002 I for one do not disapprove of what was said, the fans pay good money to go to the games and are entitled to say what they will. I'm not going to feel sorry for someone getting paid millions of dollars to play a game, if the fans want to get on the Kidds' case and the majority of the other fans do not disapprove then I say let it go. The home crowds are suppose to insult the heels even if it gets personal, if they were talking shit to Jason Kidd's wife in the first game in Boston why did she go back to the second game?, she should stay in a hotel and Jason won't have to worry about her and her son and be distracted. Even if the taunting is in bad taste and highly disrespectful banning it would be censorship and close to all the politically correct B.S. people here seem to condemn. I say let the fans express themselves, let those offended be offended. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted May 31, 2002 So, what you are saying is that Jason Kidds wife shouldn't have the freedom to go to a basketball game anymore. If someone ran up to your wife and started cursing her out, would you be saying "Well, honey, he does have freedom of speech." You can boo Kidd all you want...you can chant wife beater all you want. but calling a woman holding a infant child a bitch and screaming curses at her is infringing on her freedoms to sit there. You have the right of free speach, true, but you don't have the right to take away others freedoms. Cursing at a woman and a child that has done nothing to you, insulting a guys dead mother, a guys dead child, or picking at at a guy over him nearly dying is beyond bad taste and beyond freedom of speech. If you can't see that...well remember that self evaluation thing I was talking about earlier... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DragonflyKid Report post Posted May 31, 2002 Ripper Posted on May 31 2002,13:22 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, what you are saying is that Jason Kidds wife shouldn't have the freedom to go to a basketball game anymore. She can go to a game but if she goes to an away game then she should expect to be taunted. Are you saying the fans don't have the right to express themselves in a non-violent manner? The wifebeater chants directed at Jason I feel were exceptable, he is a grown man and should deal with it; the bitch chants directed at his wife were in bad taste but it was her choice to be in an arena full of crazed fans of the opposite team, with alcohol being served and the frenzy of the playoffs off-color things like that are to be expected. If you cross the enemies territory you have to realize you are in the enemies territory and should expect hostility. Yes fans take sports way too seriously but that is the way it is, sports are a mockery of war and there is going to be passion and that passion can be expressed in an ugly way. If someone ran up to your wife and started cursing her out, would you be saying "Well, honey, he does have freedom of speech." The insults directed at the Kidds were personal but also impersonal, they were meant more to pyche out th Kidds and the Nets more than to be mean for the sake of being mean. If someone I didn't know came up to my wife cursing surely it would upset me but I am not in the same environment as the Kidds are, in that potentially rowdy environment things like that are bound to happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted May 31, 2002 "I'll always remember Vernon Maxwell going up 20 rows to beat the crap out of this guy talking about his dead daughter." That's another excellent example of fans crossing lines that simply shouldn't be crossed. The league has to suspend Maxwell in that situation (though I would have gone after the mouth motherfucker, too), but 22 games was ludicrous. I'm surprised more players don't go into the stands after some of the assholes who pollute stadiums today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted May 31, 2002 Fans in Boston and Philadelphia are known to be tough on outsiders and everyone knows it. So unless the player and his family have tough skin and can deal with shit being said and stuff from the past being brought up the player should send his family back to the hotel. Fans have every right to bring up being a wifebeater to a guy that has been arrested for it. He hit his wife not the fans so he has no right to be pissed off when it's brought up. These players are in the public eye and if they do something stupid, get arrested or get in any kind of trouble they will open themselves up to have fans throw it in their face. They have to expect this and get over it and take whatever they give them. As long as it doesn't involve the deaths of loved ones or bodily harm i see no problem with it. Yeah attacking a wife or family with chants and not just the player isn't right but if they choose to deal with it and keep going to the games oh well. Also a three year old child has no business being at this kind of event. Keep your damn kids at home or in a hotel until they of proper age to understand being at a game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted May 31, 2002 Keep your damn kids at home or in a hotel until they of proper age to understand being at a game. It's a game! A damn game! What the hell is at stake? A trophy? It's not that damn serious. There are a bunch of men trying to put a ball into a fucking hoop. It's not a damn war. Kids do the same damn thing all over the world. After the game, you go home and you go on with your life. The fans should realize that too. So what if the Celtics win the championship? What do the fans get? A parade? They get to brag? Brag to who? I don't care if a Celtics fan brags at me. My team didn't make the playoffs and I didn't jump out of a window. I have more important things to worry about than whether or not a team I like wins a championship. Until the Knicks start paying me for being a fan, I am going to cheer for them and that's all. There's no need to yell at someone's wife and kid. That's tasteless and unneccesary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DragonflyKid Report post Posted May 31, 2002 pinnacleofallthingsmanly Posted on May 31 2002,17:11 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Keep your damn kids at home or in a hotel until they of proper age to understand being at a game. It's a game! A damn game! What the hell is at stake? A trophy? It's not that damn serious. There are a bunch of men trying to put a ball into a fucking hoop. It's not a damn war. Kids do the same damn thing all over the world. After the game, you go home and you go on with your life. The fans should realize that too. So what if the Celtics win the championship? What do the fans get? A parade? They get to brag? Brag to who? I don't care if a Celtics fan brags at me. My team didn't make the playoffs and I didn't jump out of a window. I have more important things to worry about than whether or not a team I like wins a championship. Until the Knicks start paying me for being a fan, I am going to cheer for them and that's all. There's no need to yell at someone's wife and kid. That's tasteless and unneccesary. Alot of the professional sports world is based on hype but that doesn't stop people from passionately living vicariously through the triumphs and defeats of their favorite team or player. Sports is entertainment, I like the Kings, A's and 49ers but I don't obsess over them like they are anything more than entertainment. Many get swept up in victories of "their teams" as if the victories were relevant or if they had any involvement in them. Men are instinctively violent and desire power, it's a primative impulse to claim territory and be dominate, but man has become domesticated or civilized and sports is an outlet for their animalistic drives, athletic competition is a mockery of the battle for supremacy. When you have testosterone, adreniline and alcohol flowing in your veins being decent is not a priority. If they want to cut back on fights at games or the behaviour like that that was directed at the Kidds, banning alcohol from arenas would be a good place to start. I'm not saying alcohol was a part of the Kidd's name-calling incident but I wouldn't doubt it. Assholes can be innocuous, drunken assholes are less likely to be so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted May 31, 2002 Bullshit. Bull fucking shit. Stating that sports is a means of satisfying man's need to dominate and that it is testosterone fueled is a bunch of crap. Why can't these same people attack their jobs with such vigor? If they want to dominate, why can't they find another way to do it than by living vicariously through people playing a game? Basketball, just like anything else, is what you make it. If you choose to let it be symbolic of some strugle for supremacy, then that's what it will be to you. If you choose to watch as something else, that's what it will be to you. If you think a damn game is reason enough to insult someone's wife, I question exactly how much testerone you have coursing through you. It takes big balls to talk shit to a woman amidst the security of a group of similar assholes. A drunk asshole is still an asshole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DragonflyKid Report post Posted June 1, 2002 Calm down there guy, I think for a large part you greatly misinterpreted what I said. I never stated a justification for what took place I just put out my opinion on why it happened. I even went as so far as to point out the negative and absurd roots of the problem. Jobs are often a source of frustration, one works for a set amount of hours for a boss, it is like being imprisoned and a releash is needed. People can attack their jobs with vigor but the jobs usually add to one's frustration and are not a releash. I relate what I said to the movie Fight Club where some men had no way to vent properly so they turn to relying on violence, in the real world instead of fighting many men turn to sports to releash their natural urges for physical survival and supremacy even if it's achieved in an irrational and invalid way. Some of those attending sporting events are going to take the game too seriously, get worked up and testosterone will flow, and testosterone can increase one propensity for extreme expression. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted June 1, 2002 Some of those attending sporting events are going to take the game too seriously, get worked up and testosterone will flow, and testosterone can increase one propensity for extreme expression. If there was so much testosterone, then why were they attacking his wife? That indicates a lack of testosterone in my book. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted June 1, 2002 "... the fans pay good money to go to the games and are entitled to say what they will." Sorry, no. Freedom of speech is not absolute, and buying a ticket doesn't give you carte blanche to act like a cretin. Fans can cheer and boo whomever they want, but a lot of them take it too far, and the Kidd debacle is the latest example of this. There's really no way to enforce anything like this, but restricting alcohol consumption and actually ejecting people for excessively disrutpive behavior would be a nice start. "if the fans want to get on the Kidds' case and the majority of the other fans do not disapprove then I say let it go." Yeah, the majority of the fans are going to want to take it easy on a very visible player on the other team. When did sports arenas become democracies? I must have missed the referenda about cheers and jeers the last time I went to a game. The point remains, there's no reason to go after the man's wife and young kid, no matter what excuses you make and rationalizations you offer. "Even if the taunting is in bad taste and highly disrespectful banning it would be censorship and close to all the politically correct B.S. people here seem to condemn." If the remarks the fans made about Kidd's wife were made in a public forum (like over the radio), whoever made them would be sued for slander. In print, it would be libel. There already IS censorship, albeit in limited cases that are necessary. There's really no way to censor what fans say at sports games, but there are statutes about behaving decently in public, and swearing at a woman and child would probably be in violation of a few of them. The fans' right to express themselves ends when it infringes on someone else's right to attend and enjoy the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 1, 2002 Don't even bother asking why Boston fans insisted on yelling at Kidd's wife and son . Those people are idiots and take a game that's supposed to be enjoyable to the fans way to seriously. Kidd did say that he had no problem with people calling him a wife beater, he was upset when they included is family in the taunting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 7, 2002 It's funny, Kidd wanted to shield his child from the abusive chants of "wife beater", but had no desire to shield the child from smacking his wife around. Also, calling us Boston sports fans "evil" and "like Satan" is laughable. If we're Satan, what does that make Kidd? He's the one that's picking fights with ladies... The national media is making Bostonians the scapegoats for Kidd's inability to control his anger. They're hypocrites, Kidd's a hypocrite, and his wife must be scared shitless to say otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ripper Report post Posted June 7, 2002 You know, you should actually know the story. You have no validity in anything you said. The whole situation was that they were arguing while he was feed thier son, he grabbed him by the shoulder, he swung back and and the back of his forearm ACCIDENTALLY hit her in the face. You act like he was going all Ike Turner and pouncing on her, punching her or something. It was a overblown situation(although it was still unacceptable) and once people heard "arrested for domestic violence" they just painted thier own picture what happened. And I don't care if he smoked crack, and punched some prostitues before the game, how does that make it acceptable for a bunch of drunk assholes to start yelling at his WIFE and CHILD just because thier team is getting their asses handed to them on the court. Its poor sportsmanship, and poor behavior for anyone that considers themselves a adult. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted June 7, 2002 "Also, calling us Boston sports fans "evil" and "like Satan" is laughable." Ok, how about if we add "experts at shifting the blame?" Sounds more accurate to me. Whether or not Kidd really is a wife beater isn't the issue (and I'm certainly not trying to absolve him of anything if he is). If the fans want to shout that at him, so be it. But when a bunch of people shout and curse and the man's *wife* and *young child*, that's just boorish, unacceptable behavior. Face it, Boston fans acted like revolting cretins because their team was getting schooled. The rest of your post is just a collection of presumptions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
