Why WCW Began to Weaken

[Guest Drury37]

From like 1991-1993 I used to watch WCW and so did a lot of fans who liked WWF and other stuff,but once Hogan came in I started not watch WCW as much and I know a lot of others didn't watch it as much.That is half because Hogan is a WWF guy and it was like he was crossing over into a new world and a new generation was starting.When he entered the WCW didn't use the NWA name as much,and even when the wrestling wasn't good in WCW they would still make you watch because you were interested.Interested in what you ask,well WCW used to have the WCW/NWA Tag Team Titles, the WCW World Title,the NWA World Title,this WCW that NWA, you were so confused about the whole WCW/NWA thing and you wanted to figure out what title were unified and what titles were just WCW and what titles were just NWA. When they stopped this they stopped peoples interest in the promotion.I just thought of this one tonight.This could be my claim to fame on the SmarksBoard or you guys could tell me I am crazy and rip me to shreads.

Thanks.

[Guest Don Becker]

If WCW hadn't gotten so strong from 1995-1998, I could agree with you.  But honestly, I think you're just grasping at straws.

[Guest Some Guy]

This topic is kinda beaten to death by now.  If you watcged WCW from Starcade 98 on the reasons for its demise are pretty apparent, just from the on air product.

[Guest Drury37]

Yes it was strong during 1995-1998 but it seemed like they had the new kind of fans while the WWF had the fans that had always been wrestling fans,but from 1991-1993 fans were watching both the WWF and WCW, therefore when they changed their style the WCW lost some of there old fans and had to do some stuff that was great at the time but back fired because it seemed like an endless story(nWo)in the long run.WOW Don Becker answered a topic I wrote,that built up my self of steem.

Thanks.

[Guest Tony149]

The WWF got all sorts of new fans in 1998. WCW for the most part had the "wrestling fans". The only change I saw in WCW when Hogan came in was slower matches and older wrestlers.

[Guest Some Guy]

WCW 80s and early 90s Hogan marks back, like myself who stopped watching in 94 and found Nitro in 95 and quickly refound the WWF after I watched Hogan wrestle.  WCW ostrasized the Flair wrestling fans with Hogan and his partners in crime. But the nWo angle replaced them with new fans who left the product and jumped on the WWF bandwagon along with their new fans.  Most of those guys are gone, leaving those of us who have been their the whole time and some new ones.

[Guest Dark Lotus]

The real problem with WCW always seemed to be the fact that there was no one who you could say "the buck stops here" about.  With the WWF, it always ended up with Vinnie Mac, and that never changed.  The corporate nature of NWA/WCW and revolving door leadership (Frey, Herd, etc), led to the wrestlers having way too much power.

 

The NWA/WCW never really had a "wrestling" guy in the top slot, it was always some beancounter from Turner or a figurehead.  The wrestlers (first Rhodes & Flair, then later the nWo) would always be allowed way too much input into their own matches because the man on top just didn't know better.  With the Whiff, the boys always knew that eventually everything went back to Vince, he had final say.

[Guest Tony149]

You know, I always thought Terry Taylor would of done a good job running WCW. Since he was once a wrestling and a suit. He could of understood both.

[Guest Risk]

I agree with the Terry Taylor thing.  What do you think would have happened if Terry Taylor was hired instead of Bischoff, in 1993?  Also, what do you think would have happened to WCW if Hogan, Ed Lesie, Warrior, Savage, and Piper NEVER came to WCW?  But Hall and Nash did.  Also, who would have been a better leader for the nWo INSTEAD of Hogan.

[Guest Tony149]

I heard a lot of stuff about who was in the running to become the top guy at WCW in 1993. I read that Tony Schiavone thought he was next in line to run WCW. That would of been interesting.

 

Taylor probably would keep WCW more wrestling based that go in a cartoon-ish direction WCW did under Bischoff ie. no mini-movies in '93.

 

 

I still belive WCW would of taken the #1 spot from the WWF. But they would of done it in 1994. Vince still had his steroid trial going on. WCW had a red hot product going at the time. Then Hogan comes in, then his buddies, and it sets WCW back.

 

 

If Hogan doesn't come in, but Hall & Nash do. I say the perfect leader of been Bret Hart. WCW tried to get Bret, but he ended up staying with Vince. My second choice would of been Ric Flair. Flair is revealed as the leader of the nWo. They could of done an angle where Ric said he was tried of WCW treating him bad and he formed the nWo. Of course, Arn Anderson joins him.

[Guest Army Eye]

.  Also, who would have been a better leader for the nWo INSTEAD of Hogan.

I don't think anybody would've been better as the NWO leader than Hogan.  If not Hogan, then Bret Hart would've been the next best.  If not Hogan or Bret, then who knows.. they might've made it be Luger or something, lol

[Guest THE SHOCKMASTER]

just remember

it could've been mabel

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

I think Hogan would have been the best leader simply because Hogan being a heel was unheard of. Hart would have been cool if he could have been the third guy, but I think Hogan turning heel and being in the NWO would be more historic since he was consistently a face for so long.

[Guest Drury37]

If it was anybody but Hogan nobody would have like the nWo,so it had to be Hogan,but nobody thought it was him originally because it couldn't possible be the Immortal Hulk Hogan,boy did he shock a lot of people.

Thanks.

[Guest Tony149]

It would depend who the leader was. Hall & Nash were already becoming "cool heels" with the fans. Hogan jumped probably thinking he would be a "cool heel". Instead he got the legit heel heat (Boo the bad guy) while Hall & Nash got the "cool heel" heat.

[Guest Zack Malibu]

If he wasn't already locked in his WWF contract, I think Brian Pillman would have made an awesome leader for the NWO.  It would have fit perfectly with his loose cannon/rogue gimmick, and a fourth  member (Syxx, whoever...) would have set up awesome matches with Pillman's former Horseman group.  In fact, before the NWO, I remember there was a plan of splitting Benoit and Pillman from Flair and Arn, and having a "Rogue Horsemen" vs. 4 Horsemen feud.  I think Regal and Alex Wright were rumored to join Pillman's side, but not sure about Flair and Anderson.  Anyone else remember these rumors?

[Guest Drury37]

I just remember saying who is the "3rd Person"gonna be but I never thought of people it was just like a wait and see type of thing for me.The WWF "Higher Power" angle is a different story.I made millions of guess on who the "Higher Power" might be.

Thanks.

[Guest Risk]

Here is my idea for the nWo back in 96:

 

First off, Terry Taylor was hired as President of WCW after Watts.  Flair retired after defeating Vader at Starrcade, the title was put in a tournament to decide the champion, Arn Anderson wins.  He is eventually upset by Ray Traylor, who is beaten by Paul Wight.  Hogan NEVER came to WCW and retired in the WWF after a last match with Bret Hart.

 

The Outsiders come in 96, attack Taylor, and fight Traylor, Sting, and Luger at BATB.  Pillman, who seems to have used the Triple H diet and has no leg injury, is the third man.  He changes his name to "Hollywood" Brian Pillman(after the Hollywood Blondes gimmick).  He uses a finisher called The Pillmanizer, a stunner.  

 

He shoots a lot of Kevin Sullivan, whom he calls "Kevy" Sullivan.  He mocks his lame occult angle and his bad booking.  He also makes fun of Woman.  In this alternate reality, the Dungeon of Doom consists of Sullivan, Vader, Konnan, Hugh Morris, and Meng(the gimmicks aren't that embarassing).  The Horsemen are Arn Anderson, Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, and Jeff Jarret(Hennig will break them up for a short time after replacing Arn).

 

DiBiase joins, Ray Traylor joins, Syxx, Mr. Jones(Vincent), nWo Japan, Wallstreet, ect.  No Buff.

Nash beats Wight at Road Wild by cheating outragisously.  Nash is challenged by Pillman and it looks there will be a huge fight on Nitro, Pillman wins the title with THE FINGERPOKE OF DOOM~!  After winning he says he had to lay down for too many a-holes, so this is payback.

 

"Easy T" Terry Taylor and Wight soon join.  Luger holds the WCW title for a week before Pillman reclaims it.  You can use your imagination about the other stuff.

 

Anderson challenges Taylor to a match in which the stips are: If Taylor wins the nWo gets Nitro, if Anderson wins, Taylor must remove HIMSELF from the nWo.  Easy T comes to the ring dressed in a black Flair robe with "nWo" on the back.  Arn Dominates until Hall gives T a tire iron which he knocks Arn out with.  

 

Hart sees this, hits Taylor, and Arn DDT and makes Taylor submit to a DDT type submission hold.  Hart has an exact replica of the WWF title, just with no WWF logos, he claims to be "the Real World Champion".  Sting beats Pillman for the World title.  Wight loses to Nash, no ganso bomb, power bomb.

 

The nWo slowly dissloves after this.

[Guest Drury37]

I think I might have liked that better than the actually nWo angle,at least there the nWo went away and Brian Pillman being called "Hollywood" would have made sense.

HAPPY 100TH POST TO ME!!!

Thanks.

[Guest Risk]

Wish I had someone to fantasy book with..it's no fun alone.