Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2006 What programs in college basketball and football do you feel should be better. Football-Illinois, Missouri, Arizona. Basketball-USC, Florida St, Miami Fl, Arizona St Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Princess Leena Report post Posted March 31, 2006 Arizona St. in both, and especially both Arizona schools in football. Simply due to what a paradise it is here, they should be amongst the best teams in the Pac-10 every year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
USC Wuz Robbed! 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2006 Where did Illinois in football come from? They haven't shown shit outside their surprise Sugar Bowl campaign in the early 2000s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2006 That's the point of the thread. Naming programs you feel should be better. Outside the Sugar Bowl appearance. Illinois is an underachieving program in Football. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted April 1, 2006 USC's going to get a Final Four under Floyd, but I don't know when. Kentucky should be a hell of a lot better in football, as should Northwestern. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2006 Florida St in both. There is no reason a program that gets this many top recruits cannot hold themselves to less than two losses in a season in college football and not even make the NCAA tournament in basketball. The teams ALWAYS lose to teams they shouldn't lose to and then beat someone they have no business beating. Next year they are supposedly getting one of the best recruiting classes in basketball so I don't know what the excuse will be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2006 San Diego St and UNLV in both sports. Minnesota should be better in basketball. Good college basketball arena. Great fans when they have something to cheer for. Solid recruiting base in Minnesota. No reason with a good coach the Gophers shouldn't be a Top half of the Big 10 team most seasons. Maybe even compete for a conference championship every once in a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted April 1, 2006 UCLA in football, absolutely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2006 Kentucky should be a hell of a lot better in football, as should Northwestern. Northwestern? No it shouldn't. They have more important things to worry about. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2006 Florida St in both. There is no reason a program that gets this many top recruits cannot hold themselves to less than two losses in a season in college football and not even make the NCAA tournament in basketball. The teams ALWAYS lose to teams they shouldn't lose to and then beat someone they have no business beating. Next year they are supposedly getting one of the best recruiting classes in basketball so I don't know what the excuse will be. That's because Bobby Bowden is 1 of the most overrated coaches in college football. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2006 With the recruits that OU gets and the history that they have and the coaching staff they have they should have more than one national title under Stoops. Dunno if they're underachieving but yeah......definitely underachieving in basketball though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2006 Rutgers in football and basketball. New Jersey produces a lot of Division I-A talent and most of them end up leaving the state for both sports, the best football players usually end up at Penn State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Boston College, or Miami, and the best basketball players usually head to other Big East schools like UConn, Villanova, Syracuse, Louisville, and St. John's. It's so bad for the football program that Greg Schiano recruits a lot of his players from Florida. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dh86 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2006 football=Michigan..1 title since 1948 and more recently 1-3 in the past 4 against Ohio St and Notre Dame Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk 34 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2006 football=Michigan..1 title since 1948 and more recently 1-3 in the past 4 against Ohio St and Notre Dame A championship within the last 10 years and annual top 15 rankings and BCS bowl appearences, doesn't quite measure "underachieving". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dh86 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2006 football=Michigan..1 title since 1948 and more recently 1-3 in the past 4 against Ohio St and Notre Dame A championship within the last 10 years and annual top 15 rankings and BCS bowl appearences, doesn't quite measure "underachieving". sure it does...michigan has lost the 1st road game of the year and out of the national title chase every year by the end of september...thats underachieving for an elite program Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RepoMan 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2006 Iowa in hoops. When was the last time they won a game in the tourney, and they've had some good (I'd never say great though) teams. Indiana as of late espcially in hoops. They're football team just sucks but no one seems to care like at Dook. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted April 2, 2006 football=Michigan..1 title since 1948 and more recently 1-3 in the past 4 against Ohio St and Notre Dame A championship within the last 10 years and annual top 15 rankings and BCS bowl appearences, doesn't quite measure "underachieving". sure it does...michigan has lost the 1st road game of the year and out of the national title chase every year by the end of september...thats underachieving for an elite program I agree with this. For a program that's constantly ranked high but never quite getting to the title game, that's quite the definition of underachieving, especially since we all expect Michigan to do well also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2006 I'm assuming the graduation rates for a school's men's football and basketball teams are also being considered in these evaluations. "Message." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Edwin MacPhisto 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2006 Virginia is pretty woeful. Out of the NCAA tournament for 5 years (though that's likely to change next year), and one of few major conference schools yet to taste a BCS game. Football's disappointing just because they've been sending so many great players to the NFL recently, but those individuals haven't been able to put it all together in the college game. Virginia Tech is the football power of the state, but Virginia has squandered countless opportunities to make a really great run in the past 5-6 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted April 3, 2006 Florida St in both. There is no reason a program that gets this many top recruits cannot hold themselves to less than two losses in a season in college football and not even make the NCAA tournament in basketball. The teams ALWAYS lose to teams they shouldn't lose to and then beat someone they have no business beating. Next year they are supposedly getting one of the best recruiting classes in basketball so I don't know what the excuse will be. That's because Bobby Bowden is 1 of the most overrated coaches in college football. Bowden takes a lot of the blame for hiring his stupid son at offensive coordinator but it seems the whole university has this "who cares?" mentality in a lot of games. For example, the basketball team this year built big leads against both Florida and Wake. Then they decided to hang back and act foolish, throwing up shots from anywhere on the court, passing the ball into triple teams, and just generally playing lost. The football team does the same thing against "weaker" opponents and they always end up getting their ass kicked for it. The whole school is just screwed in the head. Hell, the BASEBALL team should have done a lot better with the talent it has but they suffer from the same "whatever dude" disease. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nogoodnick 0 Report post Posted April 4, 2006 Oregon basketall was supposed to be good last year and top 3 in conference this year. Malik Hairston was one of the top 3 players in the class of 2004 that didn't go pro and Aaron Brooks was a pretty big time recruit. The team hasn't had a season above .500 since Luke Jackson graduated in 03'. If next season isn't 20+ wins and a tourney appearance then coach Ernie Kent will most likely be fired. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
