Lack of attention to details regarding nwo

[Guest Dangerous A]

Is anyone on the writing staff over at wwfe paying attention to the fact that Kurt Angle and Undertaker are playing like they are in good with Vince Mcmahon when he has already told everyone he is bringing 3 people in on sunday to destroy the company? Why would you want to do the bidding of someone who is trying to get you out of a  job? It's little things like this that killed the Invasion and can possibly kill this angle. The writers need to really distinguish who is with who, but most importantly why. I just hope that Taker joins the nwo, then we have 4 people who can be cancerous.

[Guest Tony149]

The WWF is booking on the fly. They're forgetting stuff they really shouldn't. There fault.

[Guest gwf0704]

Don't forget that at its peak the NWO had multiple members.  Maybe Undertaker and Angle will become members and join up, along with X-Pac, Michaels and HHH.  I'm just waiting for the inclusion of Big Poppa Pump!

[Guest Carbon Tiger]

The WWF doesn't understand logic. Its like they don't even bother to take notes on their own stories.

 

1)Vince goes insane but is sound enough to forgive his daughter for something he himself is now doing.

 

2)Angle and UT continue to kiss Vince's ass like before negating the story point he's trying to put them out of work.

 

3)The wrestlers themselves don't seem too overly concerned that the nWo is coming. They show endless ventages about the nWos evil yet the roster goes about feuding with each other. It would make far more sense to have them coming to peace with each other and making a unified front. Flair seems to be the only one who cares.

 

4)The Hardyz on TV for 2 mins then off it. Their feud with Taker is like a skipping tape.

 

And bealive me I'm sure htere's more.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I posted at the end of another thread how I want to see the NWO poison play out at No Way Out (by causing all three heels in the triple main event to win) thus setting up Jericho/Angle at Mania...and three singles matches with Rock.HHH.Austin vs. Nwo.

 

Now..the three heels that would win are, ironically, McMahon's boys...Taker, Jericho & Angle.

 

The NWO should seem to be working with them and McMahon and the turn on them too and be there own entity.

 

The only problem is...I don't see how they could do that and stay heel...but depending on what reaction they get Sunday...they may not be heels anyway.

 

I know that Jericho/Angle can't happen...but if they were to cost Austin the title, HHH his shot at Mania, and Rock his revenge on Taker...that's some good poison.

[Guest Tony149]

I don't want to see Stephanie join the nWo. She hurt the Alliance angle. I remember the crowd was buzzing over ECW's return, then Steph was announced as the "new owner" and the crowd acted like there was no more beer.

[Guest goodhelmet]

I'm not that excited about the NWO returning as it is so having multiple WWF wrestlers join would not surprise me in the least. Anyone who has faith in this angle succeeding doesn't have a clue. Look at the last year and a half of wrestling and give me one angle where there was credible buildup AND payoff. NONE!

[Guest Tony149]

The WWF keeps dropping angles left and right. I think people would receive the nWo better had the WWF not botched the WCW/ECW invasion.

[Guest goodhelmet]

If the WWF hadn't botched the Invasion, there would be no reason to even bring the dinosaurs back. The crap that will appear on your screen in the future could have been avoided if Vince had any brains.

[Guest Tony149]

I would think had Vince waited to do the WCW invasion until now. It would of been a little better. As the main WCW guys would be there. Now it's "been there, done that, going to do it again" with the nWo.

[Guest goodhelmet]

The invasion could have worked with the guys they had. Maybe even wait until they signed Flair as the mouthpiece. Bad booking and storytelling killed the Invasion, not talent. If it wasn't so poorly conceived, the population that tuned into WCW every week would still be watching RAW

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

It could have worked with the guys they had.

 

When DDP ran away from taker at KOTR...it was all over.

 

BUT

 

Remember the winner take all match?

 

Rock, Jericho, Big Show, UT & Kane

 

vs.

 

Austin, Angle, RVD, Booker T & Shane O'MAc

 

Look at the talent on each side of the equation...and tell me the Alliance wasn't too stacked to lose.

[Guest goodhelmet]

The only reason it was stacked that way is because it was so badly botched in the months leading up to it. DDP should have not been feuding with UT in the first place. I personally think Buff Bagwell should shoulder the blame along with Steph being the owner of ECW ?WTF?

[Guest Tony149]

I agree. The WCW invasion could of worked with the guys they had. It would of been better without Shane & Steph. They should of gotten Flair first.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

They should have kept ECW seperate.

 

Heyman is gold.

[Guest goodhelmet]

I acyually thought that the ECW invasion was one of the truly shocking moments of the Invasion. Keeping ECW seperate since ECW really only had RVD in the end. Everyone else was already signe dwith the WWF including their champion (Rhyno)

 

On a sidenote: Did anyone else's board all of a sudden become a US flag?

[Guest TheMikeSC]

The WWF keeps dropping angles left and right. I think people would receive the nWo better had the WWF not botched the WCW/ECW invasion. >>

 

Perhaps the problem is that people remember the nWo.

 

It's not like Hall, Hogan, and Nash are held in all that high a regard by most hardcore fans.

 

Why should I be excited at the prospect of two horrible (and one horribly average) workers coming to the WWF and taking TV time away from actually competent performers who didn't assist in the demise of a promotion?

                               -=Mike

 

...People seem to forget how much nobody wanted to watch any of these 3 guys over the past few years.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

I would think had Vince waited to do the WCW invasion until now. It would of been a little better. As the main WCW guys would be there. Now it's "been there, done that, going to do it again" with the nWo.>>

 

You mean the "main WCW guys" that couldn't draw fans to save their lives?

 

THOSE guys could have saved the Invasion?

 

Somehow, I don't think having the nWo guys, the inept Goldberg, the dispassionate Sting, the beyond-inept Luger, or the over-muscled joke Steiner would've really made the angle any better.

                          -=Mike

 

...It's not like WCW had that fervent a fan base

[Guest Tony149]

IMO, the WCW invasion would of been better had the WWF gotten some of the so-called "WCW stars". Yeah, their ratings weren't as high as the WWF. But most fans WCW vs. WWF Supercard was Goldberg/Hogan vs. Steve Austin, etc. Not The Rock vs. Booker T. That's not a knock on Booker. He does a helluva job, but the idea of a Supercard was each companys stars wrestling each other.

 

 

And yes, the board has turned into a U.S. Flag design.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I'll disagree...because it seemed that the ECW invasion would have worked...and those aren't "Big Stars".

 

Where did the quick reply feature go?

 

That ruled.

[Guest Army Eye]

The writers would do well to go back and watch old Nitros.  When the NWO first invaded, they were showing interviews with just about every wrestler interspersed throughout the show, getting their opinion on the NWO, Hogan's turning his back on WCW, etc.  In other words, it was an event that shook the whole federation.  And there was trepidation in their voices.  It wasn't just "these NWO guys are jerks, they're thugs" etc, it was also stuff like "WCW needs to come together to stop this".  

 

In WWF right now, only Flair and Bradshaw seem to be seven lightly annoyed about the whole thing.  This needs to change in a big big way.  It's been said by Scott Keith, and others, that they are basically in a holding pattern right now until No Way Out, and it's hard to argue with that.  So maybe nothing will really change all that much until the Monday after the PPV.  But you'd think that having the wrestlers acting more concerned than they are would only help the PPV buyrate (especially the ex-WCW guys, have him tell us they've been through it first hand, and blah blah blah)

[Guest goodhelmet]

I agree with you Army Eye, but if the WWF has taught us anything in the last year, don't have faith in the writing team and bookers to do the right thing. They don't have a clue.

[Guest DouGie WuGGz]

a jericho, angle main event at wrestlemania would work out pretty good.  even tho both are supposed to be heels, WM 18 is in Canada, where jericho where no doubt recieve a face pop from the home crowd... where as angle would get booed out of the building as the all american boy.

 

 

similar crowd reaction to hart foundation vs austin and others at canadian stampede i think it was

[Guest Army Eye]

a jericho, angle main event at wrestlemania would work out pretty good.  even tho both are supposed to be heels, WM 18 is in Canada, where jericho where no doubt recieve a face pop from the home crowd... where as angle would get booed out of the building as the all american boy.

 

 

similar crowd reaction to hart foundation vs austin and others at canadian stampede i think it was

Couple of things here..

 

Jericho in Canada vs. Hart Foundation in Canada:  Hart Foundation got massively huge pops at Canadian Stampede, but remember that their whole gimmick was defending Canada and bashing the US.  Jericho on the other hand, barely mentions Canada in his promos.  I think that unless he played up his 'returning to home' in promos leading up to it, he would get a mixed reaction at Wrestlemania.  A lot of fans wouldn't know he was Canadian unless you told them  (E+C was similiar that way, they aren't popularly Canadian like Bret was)

 

And point #2, assuming you could get Jericho over as a face in Toronto (like I said, pretty easy as long as his being Canadian is hyped up on TV), that would be great for the live crowd, but what about the buyrate?  Would everybody in the U.S. be interested in paying for a match that, from their perspective, is a heel/heel match?  The answer is, quite possibly, because:  The good thing about this would be that it would free up HHH, and you could have the big three faces (Austin/Rock/HHH) going up against the NWO in singles matches.  This would make for a seriously loaded card, but the WWF would have to push the NWO matches more than the title match to get buys in the U.S.  I think if the NWO angle is booked well, this scenario could easily pop a huge buyrate though.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Obviously the whole thing would be used to put over the NWO...and I say why not.

 

If they are serious about making the NWO a threat...

 

Costing Austin the title, HHH his title shot and Rock his revenge is a great way to start.

 

WrestleMania with Hogan vs. Austin, Rock vs. Hall and HHH vs, Nash (or some other variation) would sell like gangbusters.

 

Jericho vs. Angle is the epitome of bucking tradition...which is the NWO's mo.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

That lineup would definitely make for an interesting WM, but it puts the WWF bookers into a very difficult position, especially with the Austin / Hogan match.  

 

Who do you put over?  

 

Do you put over Hogan and send groans throughout the wrestling community about it being 1996 all over again?

 

Do you put over Austin and, essentially, squish the whole notion of the nWo being a kickass stable from the very get go?

 

Do you do a screwjob finish in either case and send everyone home griping about the PPV?

 

While the last choice may have been the hallmark of the nWo-era WCW, it's also the thing that led to the company getting destroyed.  Which leaves only the top two...and though Austin / Hogan should guarantee a huge buyout for WM, the bookers have got to think six months ahead (haw haw!) and with that as a main event, they can't really do that.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I would put Hogan over...i can't beleive I just said that...After interference.

 

Every Main Event match has interference anyway.

 

At least we might get a clean title match.

 

Plus with Austin looking to get revenge on Hogan...another PPV would draw a nice buyrate too.

[Guest Army Eye]

Jericho vs. Angle is the epitome of bucking tradition...which is the NWO's mo.

If you mean that this could put over the NWO as anti-tradition guys by their indirectly creating the Angle/Jericho match, I think it's too much for the fans to figure out on their own.

 

Overall I totally agree though.  I think that card could really work.  I love the idea of the NWO fucking over the babyfaces in the big three matches at No Way Out. That would be a tremendous debut for them, heat would be through the roof!  And it would guarantee they wouldn't get face pops.  

 

My previous stance was that the NWO should just beat up everybody with no regard for heel/face status, but since they are on Vince's payroll in the storyline, it does make sense that they would do his bidding to some extent.  And Vince would most definitely want the fan favorites Austin, Rock, and HHH to lose.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Hey...in every marks heart the Main Event at WrestleMania should be HHH vs. Austin.

 

If the NWO costs both of them their matches...oh boy would that piss the marks off.

 

They'll all buy Mania to see the NWO get theirs!

 

As a special treat:

 

The title match could be really good and they could play around with Canada vs. America for fun.

 

Y2J could whine about people being concerned with the NWO and not him...because he is the champ.  More heel heat for him.  Then he could rip on the US and have Canada going nuts for him by MAnia.

[Guest The Man in Blak]

Man, it just hit me what the whole card would look like under this given situation...it's been listed earlier, but let's just look at it all in one fell swoop, with some other ideas:

 

Austin v. Hogan

Jericho v. Angle - WWF Title

Rock v. Nash    (or Rock v. Hall)

HHH v. Hall   (or HHH v. Nash)

Edge v. RVD - IC Title (this one's from another thread)

 

Other people open for matches:

UT, Booker, Perfect, Storm, Christian...hell, they could even break Tajiri out of mothballs

 

If the WWF handled it right, like you said, bps, this card would be stacked.  I retract all negativity I spat towards this topic now.  

 

With those top five...that would be AWESOME.