Tom Zenk comments on RVD

[Guest the pinjockey]

The big problems I have with JR's digs at RVD are the fact that they obviously never addressed him face to face with these concerns.  When was RVD's first match the beginning of July 2001 when did JR start his digs at RVD july 23 2001.  So either the WWF confronted RVDimmediately after his first match and only gave him a couple of weeks to change before they started bashing him or they never brought up these concerns one on one and that to me makes good ol JR a big piece of shit.  How anyone in the position of power like Ross can use his column to make digs at a wrestler about something that they never asked him or gave him the chance to change is a complete disgrace.  It is not like the deal with Big Show's weight where they gave him chances to lose weight and demoted him before digs were made at him there was no attempt made to help RVD before the burying began.

[Guest Flyboy]

i say this, because of his unorthodox style and unpredictability, the wwf has (accidentally) shown that he can beat anybody on his day.

So true..

 

Let's look...

 

The Rock

Chris Jericho

Steve Austin

Kurt Angle

Undertaker (once)

 

 

Hell... he *is* a threat in the ME-scene, damnit!    

 

Oh well...

[Guest RicFlairGlory]

I think RVD 2002=HBK 1995 not 1996, Shawn got the belt in 96 and didn't in 95 despite being far and away the best and most over performer in the WWF then (including Bret).

 

RVD was ready for the ME in October and got one and then got depushed, sounds like RVD also = Y2J 2000 and Benoit (insert year here form 1998-2001).

RVD does have some holes in his style, but that can be made up for with adding a few wrestling moves(suplexes, slams, whatever) to add to all the kicking and fliping around.  He needs to realize that he has to build up to the flipping with logical ground based moves and then go for the gusto with the high flying towards the end.  then he'd be even more over and there would be nothing (other than he mic skills) to hold him back.

BTW, you're right

 

I should have amended it to say 1995.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

BTW...I'm all for adding Christian to the revolution.

 

If only as a fuck you to Edge...who the WWE has chosen as their next big thing.

 

But then again...RVD wasn't supposed to happen...was he?

[Guest TheHulkster]

I don't really see the point in bitching about how the WWE has been using RVD, because I think they have done a pretty decent job with him. They give him 10 minutes of TV time every week on Raw, they gave him wins over the Rock, Steve Austin, Chris Jericho, and Kurt Angle, he came very close to winning the undisputed title twice, he has main evented a pay per view, and he has main evented numerous Raws and Smackdowns. How close did he come to winning the ECW world title? If WCW was still alive, how many world title shots do you think they would give him? Rob Van Dam IS a main eventer for the Raw brand. You guys are a bit too harsh on the WWE, ignoring what they have done for RVD already and what they will probably do for him in the future.

[Guest Goodear]

The big problems I have with JR's digs at RVD are the fact that they obviously never addressed him face to face with these concerns.  When was RVD's first match the beginning of July 2001 when did JR start his digs at RVD july 23 2001.  So either the WWF confronted RVDimmediately after his first match and only gave him a couple of weeks to change before they started bashing him or they never brought up these concerns one on one and that to me makes good ol JR a big piece of shit.  How anyone in the position of power like Ross can use his column to make digs at a wrestler about something that they never asked him or gave him the chance to change is a complete disgrace.  It is not like the deal with Big Show's weight where they gave him chances to lose weight and demoted him before digs were made at him there was no attempt made to help RVD before the burying began.

See, when people complain about Smartmarks acting like they're actually backstage, this is what they are talking about.  What the hell do you know about Ross's and RVD's actual backstage relationship?  Maybe they talk at the end of every RAW for 3 hours and go out to eat and Ross fixes RVD a BBQ every night.  Ross was right, RVD should have scaled back on the flippy floppy stuff and if he didn't it might shorten his career, like it did to Shawn Michaels.  So RVD makes some tweaks, and everyone is happy with the changes.

 So what if Ross writes about it on the internet?  People here write about people all the time in far nastier terms.  Sure we don't work with anyone, but we also don't get paid to write columns for WWE either.

[Guest]

No bps, not as a fuck you to Edge, because frankly, I like Edge, and rather have Christian there because he deerves it AS MUCH as Edge. heh

[Guest]

I don't really give a rat's ass what Zenk, Jr, or Keith think. In fact, I don't even know who Zenk is. But RVD is clearly Raw's biggest face (yes, bigger than Austin), and he has now been stuck with the IC title and a feud with Brock. Good way to use your most popular wrestler.

 

Also, I'm in the RVD/Storm thing, but only if you add D'Lo

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

"I don't really see the point in bitching about how the WWE has been using RVD, because I think they have done a pretty decent job with him. They give him 10 minutes of TV time every week on Raw, they gave him wins over the Rock, Steve Austin, Chris Jericho, and Kurt Angle, he came very close to winning the undisputed title twice, he has main evented a pay per view, and he has main evented numerous Raws and Smackdowns. How close did he come to winning the ECW world title? If WCW was still alive, how many world title shots do you think they would give him? Rob Van Dam IS a main eventer for the Raw brand. You guys are a bit too harsh on the WWE, ignoring what they have done for RVD already and what they will probably do for him in the future. "

 

 

See...your entire point is actually my point.

 

First of all...he is NOT a main eventer on the Raw brand...he has main evented 2 shows...but hes in a midcard feuds with the midcard belt now.  Austin vs. Team Flair is the main event show right now...and RVD isn't in it.

 

All the other things you said are true...and thats the point.

 

The WWE seems to have no problem putting him in the main event when things are bad (Main Events ppv and gets wins over top guys...when the Alliance angle bombs.  Almost wins title from Jericho...as a placeholder until HHH's return.  Almost wins title from Taker, and Main Event ladder match with Eddy...when ratings go into the shitter.)  So they seemingly have NO PROBLEM using him to try and turn things around...but depush him before they can capitalize on any of his success.

 

If you can use a guy to try and salvage ratings and buyrates (which is the catalyst for all 3 of his breif pushes) you can reward him for it.

 

Not to mention the fact that the WWE had used his poularity to main event the "B" house shows proir to the split.  So he's good enough to make as much money off of as they can...without putting the ball in his hands.

 

Edge has NOT been asked to do nearly as much in his longer WWE career than RVD has in his short one.  And he has succeeded at every turn.  And yet Edge is the heir apparent.  This is the best reason I can offer as to why paying dues is bullshit.

 

Remember...RVD is as over as he is...without a sustained push.

 

As over as a Main Eventer without being one.

 

Therein lies the fucking problem.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"Edge has NOT been asked to do nearly as much in his longer WWE career than RVD has in his short one.  And he has succeeded at every turn.  And yet Edge is the heir apparent.  This is the best reason I can offer as to why paying dues is bullshit."

 

OK, I still don't understand what huge push Edge has gotten. Since RVD's arrival, Edge has had feuds with Lance Storm ,Christian, Test, William regal (a feud he lost) and Booker T. And in the last couple of months he has been feuding with Kurt Angle who right now is no higher than an upper-mid carder. While he may be the heir apparent, the WWE certainly hasn't shoved him down my throat as much as people claim.

 

As for title shots, I can only remember one title shot that Edge has received and he was taken out quickly by Chris Jericho in a curtain-jerker. Edge has never main-evented a ppv. Plus, Edge has also been the victim of bad booking.

 

As far as I'm concerned, there is no comparison between the two pushes.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

THAT'S MY POINT.

 

Look at their current standings.

 

RVD is the midcard dhampion...ready to embark on a feud with Brock...a midcarder whos been on tv for what? 3 months?  Less?

 

Edge just finished winning the Angle feud...now has Jericho set up when he returns (and you know hes winning that feud) and the HHH feud looms (who is wrestling for the title at KOTR).  On top of that hes out there talking about how the company has put the ball in his hands.

 

Are you in denial about the Edge push that has begun...or are you one of those "wait and see what they do" guys who is shortsighted about what is obviously going on?

[Guest goodhelmet]

"Are you in denial about the Edge push that has begun...or are you one of those "wait and see what they do" guys who is shortsighted about what is obviously going on?"

 

I'm not in denial because I see nothing wrong with Edge being pushed. I do see something wrong with RVD NOT being pushed. And there is the major difference.

 

And as far as being shortsighted, I don't work for the WWF. I see their attempt to push Edge but how far does he go? Does he go the HHH route, headlining every show for 3 years? Or does he go the Jericho route, getting his push jumpstarted and stalled every two months until HHH has had enough of him and buries him?

 

Edge is not the enemy!!!!

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Edge is not the enemy...but that isnt the point.

 

What I see going on is the WWE giving Edge the slow push to the top (beating Angle..into feuding with Jericho and eventually HHH) while RVD gets pushed and depushed on a whim.

[Guest goodhelmet]

ok, now THAT I can agree on. It's wrong. but I still firmly believe that by sheer willpower, RVD will become a champion before Edge. Not that it matters. Now we can only hope that by divine intervention, HHH shatters his kneecaps!