The Greatest Spot Fest Wrestler Ever?

[Guest razazteca]

I was watch an old comp tape of early WCW 1999, that has several of the Blitzkreig matches from Thunder and Saturday Nite.  Nearly in every match Blitzy as Heenan and Tenay would call him would put a spinning twist in nearly every move.  Blitzy would do Suicide Senton Blocks over the corner post, Twisting Asai Moonsaults, Twisting 450 splashes, Irish Whip then run up the opponets body then follow up with a dropkick, Dropkick backflips, and Twisting Armdrags.

 

RVD has several moves that are done just for show, just like Blitzkreig.  Such as the double shoulder block backflip spot, the Rolling Thunder spot, backflip pick up chair dropkick spot, 5 star over sell Frog Splash, Split Leg Moonsault, Monkey Flips, various senton moves, the Corkscrew Leg Drop.

 

So hows the best at it?  I think has to be Blitzkreig, in his short stint in WCW the mask man, got instant heat with the flashy moves and no interview time or promos.  RVD got over with the "Whole F'N Show" persona and the thumb gesture.

[Guest dreamer420]

from what i have seen of blitzkreig he was an amazing talent.  i have only seen a couple of his matches but they were both outstanding.  i have seen countless rvd matches and everyone is just as exciting to me as the first time I ever seen him.

 

the greatest spotfest wrestler of all time is sabu and i don't know how anyone could argue that.

[Guest razazteca]

I don't think Sabu is the greatest spot fest wrestler of all time, Sabu basically used the leg drop and chair spots, maybe the greatest spotfest tag team along with RVD put not the greatest singles spot wrestler.  But Sabu is by far the most Suicidal, Homicidal, Genecidal Spotfest Injuring Machine ever!!!!

 

Blitzkreig borrowed moves from Hayabusa and other high flying japanese stars.  The Saturday Night and Thunder matches against Juvi, Misterio, Kaz, Super Calo were all insane fast pace almost Torymon like spotfest matches.  Only the Psicosis match was bad, with countless blown spots and no high spots, the announcer kept bringing up how Blitzkreig looked like the Great Saske and other japanese wrestlers.

[Guest dreamer420]

Sabu basically used the leg drop and chair spots

how many different ways did he figure out to use that chair, and do leg drops and moonsaults?

[Guest Mark4steamboat]

Blitzkreig is by far better than RVD. RVD is a good WRESTLER and if he would wrestle rather than go for spots, i would enjoy him more than i already do. My personal pick for best spot fester of all time is Hayabusa. Watch any of his matches and try not to gasp or say "oooh" out loud. An amazing talent that would have been so over here in NA. Too bad he is paralyzed now.

 

Sabu was revolutionary here in the states because no one had seen anything like that. His variations of moonsaults and offensive moves with chairs make him a great spot fest wrestler but he could have done a better job of landing most of his spots.

[Guest razazteca]

Sabu had several ways to use the chair, but the Arabian Face Buster and using the chair to set up the triple jump dives to the outside were used the most.  The Kamikazee and Rolling Thunder were some sweet double team moves by Sabu & RVD, plus 75% of the Hardys moves.  Sabu did the Poetry in Motion move with a chair.  And the German Suplex that Sabu does was always sweet.....whenever RVD went for the suplex, Sabu would do a flip making it look stiff!!!!

[Guest Mark4steamboat]

Sabu and RVD were a great team that Paul should have matched against the Eliminators at least once (if anyone has seen a match between these 2 teams, let me know how good it was)

[Guest WWF4Life]

Sabu and RVD were a great team that Paul should have matched against the Eliminators at least once (if anyone has seen a match between these 2 teams, let me know how good it was)

Those two teams had a number of matches for the tag titles, including some Tables & Ladders matches. If you like spot fests, you'll probably like them, although a lot of the spots are really contrived.

[Guest dreamer420]

I've got an RVD/Sabu vs. Eliminators tag match and it was off the hook.  It sent at least 20 minutes and was one of the stiffest ECW matches that I have seen.  I seriously thought there was some agression in the ring that night.

[Guest]

It scares me how good Blitzkrieg was. He hadn't been in the business long at all, and could seemingly invent a new spot in the blink of an eye. A really special performer if you ask me, he had "it" and its a damn shame "it" was never used better.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

alas, i've only seen blitzkrieg on a few wcw saturday nights. Sabu has to be the best spot fest guy ever, cos he pretty much invented everything RVD does. Injuries rendered him useless, of course. I'm tempted to say jeff hardy was about the same level in 99-2000, but he's a shadow of his former self even now.

[Guest dreamer420]

i think jeff hardy is about to do something big now though.  even he said he was a hypocrite so let's see what he can some up with.

[Guest Redhawk]

When I saw this thread the first person I thought of was Jeff Hardy. The difference between Jeff and RVD is that we know RVD can wrestle a quality match that isn't a spot fest. With Jeff Hardy, all of his "classic" matches were strictly spotfests -- similar to Sabu. TLCs, Tag team ladder matches, hardcore matches, etc. The match between Jeff and RVD at SummerSlam was also a spotfest, but we know RVD is capable of more, i.e. the matches with Jerry Lynn.

[Guest PlatypusFool]

No, the matches with Jerry Lynn were very much spotfests. Some of the better, faster, better transitioned spotfests I've seen, but still definately spotfests. There was no real matwork, no limb working and no story, so therefore they were spotfests.

[Guest dreamer420]

No, the matches with Jerry Lynn were very much spotfests. Some of the better, faster, better transitioned spotfests I've seen, but still definately spotfests. There was no real matwork, no limb working and no story, so therefore they were spotfests.

agreed.  what do you rate those matches at just out of curiousity.  i see them as:

 

living dangerously 99: *****

hardcore heaven 99: ****

hardcore heaven 00: *****

guilty as charged 01: ***1/2

[Guest J*ingus]

"No, the matches with Jerry Lynn were very much spotfests."

 

By ECW standards, I'd say the Lynn-RVD matches weren't nearly as much spotfests as some others.  Compare them to anything Sabu or Sandman ever did.  

 

"There was no real matwork, no limb working and no story, so therefore they were spotfests."

 

There is no matwork, limb working, or story in your average Hulk Hogan match, but I doubt anyone would call them "spotfests".

[Guest Mark4steamboat]

Does anyone know which events the best Rvd/sabu vs Eliminators matches were from and if i can find them on video?

[Guest J*ingus]

RFVideo sells a Best of the Eliminators vs. Sabu/VanDam tape, and a bunch of tape traders probably have cheaper copies of it.

[Guest thebear]

Any CZW guy... Probably mondo, blade or Red...

 

there's a 6-man tag involving Red/Briscoes VS THe SAT,

 

any idea what event it was...

[Guest Redhawk]

I seem to remember a few pinfall-reversal sequences in the November to Remember RVD-Lynn match. To me, a spotfest is when the wrestlers just punch and kick their way to somewhere so they can set up the next spot. RVD-Lynn had some actual wrestling and stuff. Sabu-Sandman did the "set up the next spot" thing in the Stairway to Hell match. Watch each match and you can see the difference.

[Guest J*ingus]

there's a 6-man tag involving Red/Briscoes VS THe SAT,

 

any idea what event it was...

That was Stretched In Smyrna, 5-12-01.  

 

And yeah, given a couple of years Red could indeed become the greatest spot wrestler in the world.

[Guest Ripper]

RVD/Lynn also utilized a match to match psychology that I love in fueds but isn't used much.  Like Rock and HHH have wrestled about 1000 times and still fall for the same things in each match.  RVD/Lynn would have a spot in the first match together, a reversal for that spot in the second, a reversal of the reversal of that spot in the third and so on.  They actually seemed to be learning each other and actully made it look like Jerry was getting closer and closer to beating him each time.  CLASSIC.

[Guest razazteca]

RVD/Lynn also utilized a match to match psychology that I love in fueds but isn't used much.

 

Super Crazy vs Tajeri did the same thing, they wrestled each other almost every week, adding something for each match.

 

Super Crazy's Rolling Reverse Surfboard move and the Moonsaults were always done perfectly