Guest Dangerous A Report post Posted June 6, 2002 As smarks I was wondering what do you want pushed? What is good for the company or what is good for you? Say for example that most of you hate Test, but pushing Test for some odd reason would be the best thing for the company. Would you want that even though you can't stand the guy? Or the flip side of the coin. Let's say pushing a smark favorite like Eddy Guerrero would be shit for business. Would you still want that push because he is your favorite despite what the company might need to stay afloat? Bottom line is do you just care about what will entertain you or do you care about the well being of the company as a whole even if it means people you hate (Hogan) get pushed in the best interests of the company? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest notJames Report post Posted June 6, 2002 What's best for the company. No question. When the company's making money, everyone's making money, including your favourites. No ifs, ands, or buts. That's why cutting Bret Hart loose, although a public relations nightmare, eventually benefited the WWF. Always look to the good of the many if you want to see your favourites continue wrestling. After a point, good wrestlers are given their opportunity. Eventually, cream rises to the top. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 6, 2002 What's best for the company. No question. I Agree Id'e push Test if it was good for bussiness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest converge241 Report post Posted June 6, 2002 For the company, no question. I dont really like Edge but i think it would be great if they pushed him to the moon as people want to latch on to new stars (i think they would have to devote serious time and thought to his character development as well). Lets face it, im never going to be totally satidfied and no one really is , but if they can appease a majority of paying fans, by all means do it. I love Planet Stasiak, but I can seperate my likes from common sense and be able to realize the gimmick isnt going to make dime 1. I could put up with pushing of any Nash or Henry if they were draws with the general public (and i still got to see things i liked). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted June 6, 2002 I could care less about the company, as long as it doesn't go under (and if it is that bad, I probably won't like the product anyways). I want to see guys I like. I am more understanding if it is good for the WWF (like pushing RVD as opposed to say Tommy Dreamer), but I would much prefer to see Benoit, Storm, etc. in the main event every night. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted June 6, 2002 Good for the company, everyday of the week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest papacita Report post Posted June 6, 2002 As a fan, I want my favorites to be on top. I want Jericho as World Champ. I want Tazz or Booker as I-C. I wanna see people that entertain me...but on the other hand, I wouldn't want these guys to be pushed to such heights if it means the end of the company. I'd rather have Jericho jobbing in opening matches to Barry Horowitz than see the WWF fold. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 6, 2002 But what if you think that pushing good wrestling and good wrestlers WILL benefit the company? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted June 6, 2002 then why are you in the wwe folder? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Will Scarlet Report post Posted June 7, 2002 I myself prefer a mix of the two. I remember when Triple H held the title for the first time, it was great for business, but I pretty much stopped watching because I just did not care about anything going on at all. Right now, if guys like Triple H and Hulk Hogan were actually drawing money, then it would be about the best way I can expect it, as I dislike both Triple H and Hogan, but guys like Tajiri and the Hurricane are getting pushed, which makes me happy. Ideally, I would love it if Tajiri and the Hurricane and other wrestlers I like were fighting over the World title and drawing huge ratings, but I cannot realistically expect that. If the WWE thinks that Triple H and Hogan can draw major ratings, then more power to them, I can merely turn the television off when they are in the main event without blinking because I already saw what I wanted earlier. It works great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted June 7, 2002 i hope that the wwe, and by that I mean vince, realizes that they don't always know what is best for business. i'm interested to see what vince will say in his state of the business address tomorrow on byte this. they seem to be hyping the show pretty big on their website so i would guess that vince is going to speak about the ratings, attendance, and problems behind the scenes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vyce Report post Posted June 7, 2002 Easy! I want what's good for me. Really. I could give a shit about McMahon. And frankly, I would rather the company go under if doing what's "right for the business" fails to meet my expectations. For example: Jericho or Benoit as champ = right for me. I don't care if it's bad business. IMO, if YET ANOTHER Triple H title run is what's "good for the business", than I'd rather the business die. If HBK back and in the nWo is "good for the business", I'd rather there be no business at all. I'm selfish, I know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted June 7, 2002 Well when you ask, "what is good for business" that can be taken in different ways. Pushing certain wrestlers right now, could be good for business from anywhere from 2 weeks to 6 months, but at the same time could be a disaster a year from now. I think the best bet would be to give up the short term business and start setting things up for the long haul. This works because WWE has finances and resources capable to handle mishaps/screwups along the way, as where the new NWA-TNA has to book for the total "here-and-now" So overall I think it is a loaded question with a bunch of possibilities, but I think the most important thing is to book many people as being credible main eventers because it will help set up future angles. That is one thing I liked about the booking in ECW, was because they booked and worked angles to seem like anyone could win any title at anytime, where as the WWE seems to not do a very good job at making people believe that a main eventer is going to drop the belt to someone "not on his level" Now, how was that for a rant~! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 7, 2002 I Agree Id'e push Test if it was good for bussiness. He'll never be good for business, but he still gets pushed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 7, 2002 What's best for the company for sure. I personally don't care if my favorite stars get pushed or not. If Angle main events then fine. If Angle does mid-card stuff yet retains his in ring ability and hilarious character, then fine by me. I don't get wrapped up in that whole "push wrestler X stuff" anymore because it's not like a push always means good things. I found Angle most entertaining during his winning streak days or when he was feuding with Big Show or Jericho compared to his face run last summer. His matches were much better last summer, but I couldn't stand his baby face persona. I've said this a million times before but, ****Main eventing only means something if you give it a meaning**** I personally hate main events because they always end up in screwy finishes and poor wrestling. There's no way in hell I want Angle anywhere near HHH or Hogan right now. I'd much rather settle for him in a mid-card feud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted June 7, 2002 Call me crazy...but I am of the beleif that pushing my favorite would actually benefit the damn company. Say it with me... RVD RVD RVD. Or we can watch another shitty HHH vs. Hogan match to set up a shitty HHH vs. Taker match. How in the hell do they justify HHH going over Hogan clean? It took mad run ins for HHH to lose...but when return the job time came...HHH pulls a rare clean win over Hogan? Damn you HHH...if for nothing more than making me respect Hogan. FUCK. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted June 7, 2002 I'd expect that Hogan would do his last-run jobs for everyone clean. I didn't understand him going over HHH in the first place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted June 7, 2002 Call me crazy...but I am of the beleif that pushing my favorite would actually benefit the damn company. Say it with me... RVD RVD RVD. Replace RVD with Benoit and you've got me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Renegade Report post Posted June 7, 2002 What Vince doesnt seem to realize is that you can do whats best for the company by pushing some people and giving them time to develop, instead of rehashing the same old people again and again, it might take some time to get them over, but its best in the long run. *Points at Storm, Dreamer and Christian* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 7, 2002 What Vince doesnt seem to realize is that you can do whats best for the company by pushing some people and giving them time to develop, instead of rehashing the same old people again and again, it might take some time to get them over, but its best in the long run. *Points at Storm, Dreamer and Christian* Buh, maybe just Christian. Lance would only work as a mid-card heel against huge mid-card faces. Dreamer isn't worth putting much into at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AlwaysPissedOff Report post Posted June 7, 2002 Christian shouldn't get any type of push until he can put together a decent match that doesn't involve restholds galore. He's got a pretty good character, but man, he's SEVERELY overrated in the ring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted June 7, 2002 I've heard that Christian was gold during his indies days, but the man has only really worked tag team and not given enough time to work more than a generic match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites