Why I love Hulk Hogan matches...

[Guest Cataclysm911]

You should know by now that the WWF is not always about "Technical Wrestling," if the only thing you watch for is 5-star matches, just buy some Liger or Misawa puro tapes.

 

Shit.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Seen one Hogan match...seen em all.

 

At least from his end.

 

I am a wrestling fan and the last thing that I want is a Hulk Hogan match in the Main Event of a ppv.

[Guest goodhelmet]

I do buy the Misawa and Liger tapes and enjoy the hell out of them. I also know the WWF has the talent to put on four or five great matches every single night, they just choose not to do it. even when we had to sit through that abortion of an Invasion angle, we could get matches like Angle-Austin.

 

With hogan at the top or near it, the quality will decrease even further.

 

Hell, I even like a good storyline, such as Foley-HHH, but with workers I enjoy seeing on my tv. I don't want to see Hogan. did anyone watch the WCW in it's last couple of years? Hogan was pathetic.

[Guest Cataclysm]

You're pathetic, because you never have anything nice to say. Every remark that comes out of your mouth is negative critisism. It's sickening.

 

I bet you beat your kids.

[Guest J*ingus]

The thing is, Hogan COULD work hard and put on a decent match when he had to, especially in Japan.  Anybody who's seen his matches against Stan Hansen or Great Muta knows what I mean: he was pulling out enziguris, top-rope cross-bodies, complicated submission holds, and so on.  

 

The question becomes:

 

1. Will the current workrate-heavy environment in the WWF motivate Hogan to work hard and try to have good matchs, and

 

2. Is his body in any condition to take it?  

 

 

As far as age is concerned, I think that his 80's run with the WWF probably took ten years off his career.  They were wrestling six or seven times a week, every week, for years, and Hogan was always under the most pressure as their biggest star.  Compare how much he changed from '84-90 in the WWF, to how little he aged from '94-2000 in WCW.  Vince McMahon built the WWF on Hogan's back.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"You're pathetic, because you never have anything nice to say. Every remark that comes out of your mouth is negative critisism. It's sickening.

 

I bet you beat your kids."

 

No I beat my wife, not my kids.

 

As for being negative, my attitude only reflects what I see on my screen. If Angle-RVD-Stone Cold-Rock-Lance Storm-etc. were pumping out the quality matches, then why complain? Problem is, they are not. We're watching fake weddings and anticipaing the return of dinosaurs.

 

Does the current WWF product make you happy? Prior to the return of HHH, and the NWo, I was very happy. Jericho is unified champ. RvD is getting pushed. It appeared we were heading for a Booker-Austin program. Are you excited to see Hogan? If you are than that makes you pathetic.

[Guest Cataclysm]

So, in closing, you're saying that anyone who likes Hogan is pathetic? Doesn't that basically mean that anyone with a different opinion than yours is pathetic.

 

Tremendous logic.

[Guest Maurizio C... Version 2]

people will pay to see hogan's old ass, that's it. wanna complain? hey, I'm not happy too but I know I'll mark out when they arrive.

[Guest RickyB]

ok?  So i'm pathetic because I want to watch the final run of the guy that i've been a fan of for years, i'm pathetic because I want to see my favourite Wrestler return to the WWF and i'm pathetic because I want to watch the big matches between Hogan and Rock, Hogan and Austin and Hogan and HHH?

 

I don't see how that makes sence, should I say that you are pathetic because you don't respect what Hogan has done for Wrestling, should I say you are pathetic because you aren't hyped for the nWo return?  I don't mind if you aren't looking forward to his return to the ring, I don't mind if you're not looking forward to the return of the nWo.  But at least show a little respect to the guy who helped make the WWF the biggest Wrestling Promotion in the World in the 80's and early 90's, then make WCW get ahead of the WWF in the mid-90's.  And don't blame Hulk Hogan for killing WCW, his contract ran out in August 2000 so he couldn't have had any impact on things that happened after then, which really killed WCW.

 

I don't see how anyone could say that Hogan doesn't care for the business.  He's worked in the Wrestling business for about 30 years, he worked his ass off in Japan and in the AWA.  He then worked almost 7 days a week 365 days a year to help make the WWF the biggest company in the World during the mid-80's so you can't really say that Hulk Hogan "only cares about money" if he only cared about money he wouldn't have gone to WCW in 1994, if he only cared about money he could just sit at home right now and take offers for small movies for the rest of his life.  But he wants to go back to the WWF and end his career on a high note.  And i'm sure i'm not the only person who wants to see him do that.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Quite frankly...

 

I am getting sick of all this "Hogan made Wrestling" garbage.

 

Vince McMahon made Hulk Hogan.

 

If he had chosen some other selfish no talent bodybuilder....maybe Lex Luger could have been a mega star.  If only he was a little older.

 

Everything good that Hogan did for wrestling was because McMahon booked it that way.

 

In the last...decade? or more...Hogan has only done things for himself.

 

And his return to wrestling only serves to stunt its growth...yet again.

 

HOGAN MARKS FEAR THE TRUTH.

[Guest goodhelmet]

Can Hogan deliver the goods in the ring? When I watch his matches, will I be entertained or wait through a bunch of back rakes and belt whippings? will his being in the ring help elevate Rock or Austin or HHH? No, because they're already superstars.

 

Will the time he has in the ring take away from younger stars on the rise who actually have a future in the business? Will the quality of the in-ring product reduce dramatically? The same people who are marking out about the NWO return will be the ones bitchin and moaning about the run-ins, screw jobs, bad wrestling, etc. If Hogan ending his career on a high note is done at the expense of other guys elevation and ring time, then he can stay the hell away. I've already lived through Hulkamania and the NWO once and that was enough. Nostalgia is great until it tries to make a comeback.

[Guest TheHulkster]

So hogan was a totally different character in the awa before vince brought him back to the wwf? And they couldve put Luger in the same spot and drawn just as much money? Listen to yourself man.

 To the true "wrestling" fans that just want to see great matches and nothing else, you know its not athletic competition right? Its all a work. If Hogan wanted to, he could break out a fujiwara armbar, he just likes to stick to what has brought him to the dance and what has got him over. Great matches are nice, but thats just one element in the equation of sports entertainment, and great characters are equally important, if not moreso.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

So if McMAhon had chosen to push someone else just like he pushed Hogan, instead...Hogan would still have MADE wrestling?

 

I know wrestling is fake...I'm not sure the Hogan marks know that (because they think that Hogan did everything on his own) AND I KNOW THAT HOGAN DOESN'T KNOW THAT (because he refuses to put people over...even though it isn't real)

[Guest goodhelmet]

ok, wrestling is predetermined so it's fake. That is not debatable.

Does Hogan entertain you in the ring? What actions inside of the wrestling ring make you like Hogan? Why do you watch wrestling?

I don't know Japanes but I can enjoy lucha and puro and be involved in a match because of the ringwork. If a guy who doesn't talk can win me over, then who is the better performer?

If  I watch Steamboat-Flair, not knowing the backstory (that stems back to '77, now that's deep) and can recognize great wrestling, why should I SETTLE for mediocre acting and poor ring skills.

[Guest TheHulkster]

I dont think that anyone else wouldve made half the impact hogan made. Vince wanted to garner the younger viewers, which was is a big market, and the way he wanted to do that was with colorful characters with a big roided up superhero on top that the kids would admire. Flair, dusty, backlund, the von erichs, all the major stars of the day, do you think any of them would break through to the mainstream the same way hogan did. The guy oozes natural charisma, he was over the second he stepped back into the wwf, and the train kept rolling for 8 years, untill 92 when he "retired", but Hogan is "just another average big guy wrestler" right?

[Guest goodhelmet]

OK, so Hogan helped capture the kiddie market back in the 80's, granted.

 

But the WWF and Vince have admitted that the WWf is not tailored to the kiddies anymore. This is mature programming. Then as a mature adult, I want intelligent entertainment and I want athletic performers who are capable of intelligent ring performances. Hogan does not fit that bill.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I'd say that he is less than average...

 

BUT There is no way you can honestly tell me that NO ONE could have done half as good a job as he did:

 

1.  He was playing a character

2.  We already know that he is a shitty actor...so it stands to reason that someone could play it better

3.  He sucks in the ring

4.  A big guy with talent back then would have set the world on fire.

5.  If the created "big star" had any talent what so ever...then wrestling wouldn't be taking so long to get out of the BIG men rule mentality.  In all honesty...big men generally suck.

[Guest goodhelmet]

bps, we should change our monikers to voice of reason 1 and 2

[Guest Tony149]

C'mon! Who doesn't want to see a sequel to Mr. Nanny?

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I got dibbs on #2

[Guest goodhelmet]

That's cool man. you are the NEW #2!!!

 

Seriously, if Hogan doesn't luck out in landing the Rocky 3 job, he's Superstar Billy Graham with half the talent and charisma and acting ability and twice the HGH

[Guest Tony149]

They could do No Holds Barred 2 with Hogan once again playing Rip facing off against the evil Baby oil man played by Bradshaw.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Superstar Graham ownz, fool.

 

Not really....I just felt like saying that.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"They could do No Holds Barred 2 with Hogan once again playing Rip facing off against the evil Baby oil man played by Bradshaw. "

 

LMAO

 

Actually, Billy Graham was way more entertaining than Hogan in and out of the ring. He was around in the wrong era. hogan, Rock, Austin all borrowed a little bit of Graham's schtick.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

Billy Graham ownz, fool.

 

See I told you.

[Guest Tony149]

Scott Steiner took a lot of idea's from Superstar Billy Graham's gimmick. Remember when Steiner first turned heel he called himself "Superstar" Scott Steiner. Scott was a big fan of Graham.

[Guest goodhelmet]

Steiner took his ENTIRE gimmick from Graham including the 45 minute bearhugs and chinlocks.

 

Rock copied the repated use of referring to himself in the third person.

[Guest Tony149]

Steiner is also as big as Superstar. Too bad Graham needs a liver. Hopefully they'll find a match for him.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

They should check HHH...

 

If he loves the business so much...He won't mind a liver.

[Guest Tony149]

Doesn't HGH do damage to your liver?