Tazz

[Guest]

Ok, I'm a huge ECW fan. I have been watching some of my DVD's latley and Taz and "Tazz" are two totally different people. What the hell are they doing to him and why? He proboaly has the worst job in the company in sitting next to that lil' bstard Cole every Thursday. Taz was a man who at one point was on his way to becoming the "mosnter" of prob wrestling back in like 1997. Now, he would proboaly job to Hardcore Holley. This type of thing just makes me sick. I'm just wondering if someday this will all lead up to Taz snapping and killing Mike Cole and being the bad ass submission wrestler we all know he is.

[Guest]

hate to break it to you, but I think that McMAhon has no intention in pushing taz. And you arn't the only one waiting for taz to take out that little punk COle.

[Guest]

Ask Treble Charged. He thinks Taz is "Ultra Cool", so you could have a good discusion with him.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Jesus Christ, is it a law of the internet that every week someone must champion the cause of the orange midget? Tazz sucks, he's sucked for years, and he always will suck, can we move on already? The "save Tazz" and "Tazz is misused" crap is even more tiresome than the HHH bashing, because at least that's mostly from 2002 rather than several years old.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

To rip off another poster (Anglesault, I think)

..when he gets above 4'3".

 

Seriously, though. He's too short to seriously push. Same reason Chris Jericho probably won't ever make it to the main event (besides your friend and mine, HHH), and why Edge got pushed instead of Christian.

 

Also considering Tazz' arsenal of suplexes, that's why he's behind the desk. Can you seriously see him trying to throw some of the 'bigger' guys like Edge, or HHH around? They're short compared to some of the monsters the WWF has.

 

-Shiro

[Guest Anglesault]

Unfortuanately for you Tazz fans, "Bad ass Dwarf on a rampage" would never work in WWF

[Guest papacita]

The too short excuse is BS. If the WWF marketing team can magically get millions of fans to begin saying/typing WWE overnight, they could build Tazz as the bad ass he was in ECW. But the time to do it was 2000...maybe even last year with the Invasion angle. Tazz' wrestling career has been ruined to the point where I don't think he could get over as a believable World Title threat even if they tried.

[Guest Anglesault]

They can magically get fans to believe it...but can they magically get huge stars to let a 5'6 guy drop them on their neck?

[Guest papacita]

Well last I heard, Vince was still on good terms with Tyson. Anybody doesn't wanna get Tazzplexed...have Tyson come and eat their kids! Problem solved.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

It's not going to work. Seriously.

 

If they can't get 6'8" Albert (or insert name here) over as a 'bad ass', what makes anyone else think Tazz could do it? Face it. The days of the invincible badass are hopefully coming to an end.

 

-Shiro

[Guest]

Because Tazz has a better personality and WAY more charisma than Albert could ever hope to have..

 

Tazz could get over as a badass from the way he talks, his "thugtalk" or whatever. But he needs to be able to actually BEAT some people first.

[Guest papacita]

Well Tazz has had experience/success with the gimmick before, and has MUCH better mic skills than Albert. His promos actually make you believe his gimmick. All you've gotta look at is the reaction to his Tough Enough segments to see that bad ass Tazz could get over in the WWF.

[Guest Anglesault]

Well Tazz has had experience/success with the gimmick before,

Against a group of people where he was one of the bigger guys.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

I still think it's not gonna work.

 

Tazz in ECW was one thing. Mike Awesome was the tallest guy at around 6'6". Even Awesome is just average sized in the WWF. ECW wrestlers were also suicidal in the bumps they'd take. Once you WWFize Tazz' arsenal, and add in the height factor..

 

Besides. WWF audiences have been too exposed to the invincible badass. It's been done before. Many, many times. Promos, or no promos.

 

-Shiro

[Guest]

If Taz could DragonSuplex Bam Bam through a Table in ECW then he can Suplex anyone... Hell whats a Suplex, but a Cooperative move of momentum between the attacker and victim?

 

Its just in WWE the egomaniacs atop wouldn't want some 5'9 fireplug making them look like crap as he Suplex them back and forth the ring.. Hell YOUR GOD Austin couldn't allow a single plex from Tazz in their one and only fight because he is too BRITTLE!

 

But of course the Taz haters just can't git that LOL

 

Taz is a 2 dimensional ECW Squash machine

Thats Still one Dimension is better than Goldberg, At Least Taz could do Mic Work... How many sentances could Goldberg put together in his entire WCW Career? about 1/4 Taz's Shoot mic work.

 

but Tazz the WWE whipped and Insititutionalized will just sit Passively behind the desk with Mikey cole and Shill Hogan, and everyone else he use to shoot against.

 

SIGH.

[Guest El Psycho Diablo]

I find it entertaining that it's OK for Austin NOT to take moves from Hall, but it would be OK for him to take a move from Tazz. Whatever.

 

You have to realize one thing.

 

Goldberg had what Hogan did, what the Warrior did, what the Rock does, and you can continue throughout wrestling history. He had the Look. He had a potential to bring in $$$. Say what you will, but talent isn't necessary to make it big in the wrestling world. Hogan isn't a marvel in the ring, and he's stayed around what, twenty years, at least? Tazz as an invincible badass won't make the money as say, Goldberg doing the same thing. Seems right now, the WWF hopes Brock will be that way. Tazz does not have the look. Sorry to say it, but he dosen't.

 

Bam Bam is 6'3", 325. Probably about the same as Bubba Ray Dudley. There's a difference between height and weight. Picking up a 6'3", 300 pound man isn't quite the same as picking up a 6'8", 300 pound one. Want to bet?

 

People tend to look upon things in the past as great. Never to be beaten. It's a part of something you cherish, so it's a crime that it isn't happening now.

 

I'm not a "Tazz Hater". I'm simply thinking of the current situation. Tazz as the old ECW Taz wouldn't be any different than what they did when they brought Hogan back. Taz in ECW was unstoppable. Taz in the WWF would be a joke.

 

Why?

 

What purpose would it serve to have him run over the roster? It's happened before. Lots of times. But these unstoppable monsters have one flaw. Once they lose, there's no real reason to care anymore. No character, no personality, just somebody who's been pushed as undefeated for months, and now has a big '1' under their Win/Loss record. There are more ways to build someone as a character than have them kill half the roster. Use your head, Tazz marks.

 

-Shiro

[Guest RickyChosyu]

No one would take his suplex's because he can't do them without injurring people. He's not safe, he's not trustworthy, and he's not particularly good. In fact, he sucks. He always has sucked. The gimick and ridiculous pushing from Paul E. is what got him over. When it came to that gimick actually being used outside of a promotion not riding his cock, Tazz was insantly exposed as a shity wrestler who's "Charisma" consisted of dropping the f bomb a lot. And so on.

 

The "Save Taz!" arguement is about the biggest lost cause of all the shoddy internet movements. Give it a rest already.

[Guest]

Unfortuanately for you Tazz fans, "Bad ass Dwarf on a rampage" would never work in WWF

Goddammit, he is not that short.  In reality, Tazz or Taz, whatever his name is, is actually an inch taller than me.

[Guest papacita]

He did drop the f-bomb a lot, but he doesn't need it to cut a good promo. His early WWF stuff was solid minus the ridiculous "Thug life dead" catchphrase. As to whether or not he's safe doing the suplexes...I dunno, but I haven't heard of too many people that were seriously injured (or injured at all for that matter) from them. Say what you will about Tazz, but I don't see how anyone can justify bringing Tazz in with the kind of hype they did, then jobbing him out every other match (including a loss to Crash Holly as the ECW Champion). I never expected Tazz to go on another "Path of Rage" (I wasn't too impressed by the original), but still, they definitely could've gotten a lot more out of them than they did.

 

And just for the record, I pretty much  gave up the "Save Tazz" campaign damn near 2 years ago.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

He did drop the f-bomb a lot, but he doesn't need it to cut a good promo. His early WWF stuff was solid minus the ridiculous "Thug life dead" catchphrase. As to whether or not he's safe doing the suplexes...I dunno, but I haven't heard of too many people that were seriously injured (or injured at all for that matter) from them. Say what you will about Tazz, but I don't see how anyone can justify bringing Tazz in with the kind of hype they did, then jobbing him out every other match (including a loss to Crash Holly as the ECW Champion). I never expected Tazz to go on another "Path of Rage" (I wasn't too impressed by the original), but still, they definitely could've gotten a lot more out of them than they did.

 

And just for the record, I pretty much  gave up the "Save Tazz" campaign damn near 2 years ago.

Tazz cut some decent shooty-ish promos here and there, but mostly it just flew over everyone's head and allienated him from the general fanbase even more. I liked his "shoot" promo on JR, but it's been shown time and again that shooting can only be taken so far (fond memories of Konnan trying to act tuff by making fun of Kronik's work-rate come to mind).

 

Taz was brought in because he came to the WWF and asked for a job, not because they went to him. He was brought in to look strong as an experiment, but once the ECW disease was found in him (the disease that negates any worth or appeal outside of ECW) they dropped it like a bad habbit and re-built him as their own creation. That is partly WWE thinking that anything not home-grown needs to be re-created, but it's also the thinking that his push just wasn't that good and he wasn't going anywhere in the company.

[Guest papacita]

He did drop the f-bomb a lot, but he doesn't need it to cut a good promo. His early WWF stuff was solid minus the ridiculous "Thug life dead" catchphrase. As to whether or not he's safe doing the suplexes...I dunno, but I haven't heard of too many people that were seriously injured (or injured at all for that matter) from them. Say what you will about Tazz, but I don't see how anyone can justify bringing Tazz in with the kind of hype they did, then jobbing him out every other match (including a loss to Crash Holly as the ECW Champion). I never expected Tazz to go on another "Path of Rage" (I wasn't too impressed by the original), but still, they definitely could've gotten a lot more out of them than they did.

 

And just for the record, I pretty much  gave up the "Save Tazz" campaign damn near 2 years ago.

Tazz cut some decent shooty-ish promos here and there, but mostly it just flew over everyone's head and allienated him from the general fanbase even more. I liked his "shoot" promo on JR, but it's been shown time and again that shooting can only be taken so far (fond memories of Konnan trying to act tuff by making fun of Kronik's work-rate come to mind).

 

Taz was brought in because he came to the WWF and asked for a job, not because they went to him. He was brought in to look strong as an experiment, but once the ECW disease was found in him (the disease that negates any worth or appeal outside of ECW) they dropped it like a bad habbit and re-built him as their own creation. That is partly WWE thinking that anything not home-grown needs to be re-created, but it's also the thinking that his push just wasn't that good and he wasn't going anywhere in the company.

I disagree with your post 100% but I'm not even going to argue it anymore. Tazz' career is as good as dead anyway.

[Guest JHawk]

The saddest thing about Tazz's career essentially being over is that during the Invasion angle he was getting good reactions as the dissenting member of the Alliance, and had he been allowed to even look halfway decent against Austin people would have bought him as a main eventer, or at least as sombody capable of beating guys near the top of the card.  I still contend that Tazz as ECW's Tazz would have worked had McMahon allowed it.  Unfortunately we'll never know, because the old WCW tactic of "get over on your own merits and threaten the top guys, we'll depush you" crept its way into the WWF once Austin needed that damn surgery.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

If Taz could DragonSuplex Bam Bam through a Table in ECW then he can Suplex anyone... Hell whats a Suplex, but a Cooperative move of momentum between the attacker and victim? >>>

 

 

BBB was willing to take the bumps because, darn it, he wasn't all that good and didn't have all that many options available.

 

 

<<<Its just in WWE the egomaniacs atop wouldn't want some 5'9 fireplug making them look like crap as he Suplex them back and forth the ring.>>>

 

 

When Tazz can work a match that is better than even half of the WWE roster (I've NEVER seen a really good match out of Tazz and I've seen WAY too much of his crap), he MIGHT have a gripe.

 

As it is, in the pantheon of underpushed guys, he's behind Crash Friggin' Holly right now.

 

 

<<<. Hell YOUR GOD Austin couldn't allow a single plex from Tazz in their one and only fight because he is too BRITTLE!>>>

 

 

Hmm, possibly cripple a guy who actually can draw and churn out great matches consistently or let a guy who can't get over without tons of profanity, has never really been much of a draw, and isn't that good in the ring to look good?

 

Hmm, choices.

 

 

<<<But of course the Taz haters just can't git that LOL>>>

 

 

The Taz lovers can't get that a lot of people think his ECW work was absolute crap.

               -=Mike

 

Taz is a 2 dimensional ECW Squash machine

Thats Still one Dimension is better than Goldberg, At Least Taz could do Mic Work... How many sentances could Goldberg put together in his entire WCW Career? about 1/4 Taz's Shoot mic work.

 

but Tazz the WWE whipped and Insititutionalized will just sit Passively behind the desk with Mikey cole and Shill Hogan, and everyone else he use to shoot against.

 

SIGH.

[Guest J*ingus]

I did enjoy a lot of the work Taz did in ECW, whether it was with Sabu, BBB, Scorpio, or whomever.  So I'm not a Taz-hater.  However, he does have several serious and mostly irreconcilable problems which will keep him from succeeding in the WW(F)E at a major level.  

 

1. His height.  Like it or not, the WW(F)E has always been a place where the big guys were pushed more.  Nobody under 5'10" has ever been pushed as a top guy.  Face the facts, that is NOT going to change anytime soon.  

 

2. His moveset.  In ECW, Taz was all about two things: mat wrestling and suplexes.  However, the crash TV nature of the WW(F)E discourages the use of the first one, and safety issues with the larger/more injured wrestlers in the company rule out the second one.  All he's left with are really weak punches and kicks, and the occasional suplex on a smaller guy.  Nothing too impressive.  

 

3. His psychology stinks whenever he can't play the no-selling monster.  Tazz's selling is a weak point, and his bumps are no better than average.  

 

4. Age.  In his late 30's, Tazz doesn't have many years ahead of him even if he did become successful.  

 

5. Talking ability.  I actually like Tazz's color commentary, but his promo-cutting talents have always relied on using "shoot" elements (which go over the heads of the majority of the fanbase).  Without them, he seems lost.  

 

6. Personality clashes.  For whatever reason, Tazz seems to really piss off some of the important people in the WW(F)E.  In his RFVideo shoot interview, Taz had a pretty big ego about his own talents and drawing abilities.  

 

Combine all of the above, and you've got one wrestler who is NOT going anywhere.  Sorry fans, but that's not going to change.

[Guest]

How about his weight, people? Don't forget to factor in that's he's overweight and undertall at the same time.

 

 

EDIT: Papacita, that picture is giving me nightmares.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

Meh. He is over. Partly because of his entrance, but he IS over. Needs to lose weight but his style and just generally pissed-off-ness could easily work in the wwf, it's just they won't push him.

[Guest papacita]

I'll agree with the weight issue. He lost a lot of weight in 2000, but nowadays it seems like he doesn't even try to stay in shape. It seems to me that the WWF  placed him in a lot of 2-3 minute squashes last year due to his poor stamina, which may or may not be the case, but the man definitely needs to get in better shape if he expects a good push (but then again, what shape do you need to be in when you're sitting behind a commentary table spitting out bad jokes?).

 

As for his style, if RVD and Kurt Angle are any indication, more ring time should be able to allow him to adjust more to the WWF style. I remember him saying once that his series with Lawler taught him how to implement psychology and learn how to "tell a story" with his matches, but I don't pay enough attention to workrate to know if it's paying off, so I'll let you guys judge. I dunno...like I said, I really don't think the ECW character could get over right now due to the radical personality change, but I don't think he has any problems that couldn't have been worked out. I think the WWF just really dropped the ball on this one.

[Guest Goodear]

I compare Tazz to Rhyno in that they both play similar characters and have similar statures.  The difference is, Rhyno has altered his moveset so that it is usable on just about anyone on the WWE roster.  The most lifting Rhyno ever has to do is get someone up in a fireman's carry, which doesn't depend on the size of his opponent unless they are extraordinarily huge.  Meanwhile, a staple move in Tazz's moveset is the head-and-arm suplex which would require someone like Kane or Albert hunching over so much that it would be hard for them to get the spring to flop over Tazz.

 

 Not to mention Rhyno seems to bring a more psychotic anger to his work than Tazz is able to muster up after laughing like a maniac during commentary.  So basically, if you are going to push a angry short guy on the roster, its not going to be Tazz but the better, angrier Rhyno.

[Guest]

I recall a match leading up to last year's Unforgiven PPV where Booker T and Shane took on Tazz in preperation for their handicap match against the Rock. The crowd was really getting behind Tazz, and that was about the last time that ever happened.

 

As for the WWF not letting Tazz do his suplexes for fear of hurting people like Austin, might I remind everyone that Austin took ten German suplexes from Benoit during their famous Smackdown match, so Tazz's suplexes have nothing to do with it. Tazz will never be pushed, fanboys, so you might as well deal with it.

[Guest converge241]

Id like to see it happen, but it never will...

the closest he came was

 

1) when he first debuted AND gave Angle his first loss. Ended around the time HHH squashed him (while he was ECW champion)

 

2) The Alliance , when he was standing up to Austin, and they swerved (twice even). the crowd was really into him and they could have made a big deal about an alliance defection, you know instead of giving it to Chuck Palumbo or whatever they did. (and yes i know they "fired" rhyno but he was injured so it doesnt count)