Bad News Brown Rips Into Bret Hart

[Guest Mikey2Dope]

Here is the link: http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/christie/29/id38.htm

 

CRY BABY

I just read ‘Stu Hart, Lord of the Ring’, the biography of one of the greatest wrestling promoters that ever lived. I have a great deal of respect for Stu. I think he's a great guy, he's honest, trustworthy and very modest. His book brought back a lot of memories of when I was working for him in Stampede Wrestling.

His children contributed to the book as Stu is on in years and couldn't remember every detail. Which brings me to this month's opinion.

 

 

Bret CRY BABY Hart let it go already. Enough is enough. I am so sick and tired of the whining and whimpering about losing that WWF world championship belt to Shawn Michael's in 1997. Oh boo hoo! Whining and whimpering about how Vince McMahon screwed you. Man get over it! That was 5 years ago. Shut the hell up already!

 

 

Bret is suppose to be an intelligent person, he saw first hand how Vince screwed Stu out of his territory. Yet  CRY BABY is still singing his song  “Oh poor pitiful me, oh woe is me”

 

 

Bret get it through your head - you DID NOT earn it. It was GIVEN to you. It means NOTHING. You didn't have to train hard or defeat anyone for real. You didn't win it because you were the best - you won it because the promoter PICKED YOU. You're not 5 times world champion you're 5 times PROMOTERS champ - NOTHING MORE.  If it was a shoot CRY BABY Bret you wouldn't even make it into the ring unless you were on the tear down crew.  It's a WORK man- not a shoot! It's ENTERTAINMENT you suck ass. It's show business!! GROW UP!!

 

 

We've all had to put people over. I had to put Macho Man over in MY home town, at Madison Square Garden in front of 22,000 people. I didn't give a shit. All I cared about was getting paid. I didn't sulk even though I'm a legitimate Olympic Bronze Medalist in Judo. I put Bret over in the middle of the ring many times. As did many other wrestlers who could have kicked his ass within 3 minutes if it was real. They didn't cry and whine - “oh woe is me”. I've always believed, that if I was a promoter and I gave Bret a choice - 5,000.00 a night to lose every night in the first or second match OR 100.00 a night and he gets to have the Belt - Bret and his ego would pick the latter.

 

 

 

CRY BABY Bret whined in his newspaper column every other week. According to Vince McMahon CRY BABY whined to him at Owen's funeral about being screwed. CRY BABY didn't mention Owen, CRY BABY whined about how Vince destroyed his (Bret's) career, his marriage and his life. Then CRY BABY had to whine in his father's book. The book is Stu’s life story not Bret's. The book is to honor Stu. His kids all contributed in honor of their father. CRY BABY Bret's contribution ruined the book, CRY BABY'S  contribution was more whining about the loss of that stupid ass belt.  

 

 

Look at the opportunities you were GIVEN. You traveled the world, had a toy made in your likeness, you were on the cover of magazines, had appearances on television shows and movies. You made a lot of money, you never have to worry about where your next meal is coming from like so many unfortunates out there. Your bitterness has no merit, if anyone has the right to be bitter it's Dynamite Kid. He devoted his life to wrestling. He revolutionized wrestling.  He was the greatest wrestler to ever hit the mat. He gave everything he had and more to please the fans and the promoters. What was given to him in return? He now sits in a wheelchair and you don't hear him boo hooing. He didn't leave a millionaire like you did. He lost everything and he's not whining “oh poor pitiful me.” It's a phony meaningless belt, not earned by ANYONE who ever wore it. All the boo hoos and whaa  whaa’s aren't gonna change that fact. There are more important things in life. To be able to watch your children grow, your siblings, your father, good health, to see the sun rise and set...

 

 

Bad News Allen

[Guest Ash Ketchum]

*holds up "I Love Bad News Brown" sign*

 

Now watch as Bret rips BNB for screwing him out of the WM2 (Or was it 3, 4, or 5? I keep forgetting) Battle Royale.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

If he had payed any attention to wrestling lately he would know that Vince has more trouble letting go than Bret. His appearance on WOL more than proved that.

 

Really, Bad News, wrestling is worked? Golly, you sure are smart. From the sound of things, he doesn't even realize the debacle where Bret lost the belt WAS a shoot. Irony, sweet irony.

 

And while world title belts are essentially put on whoever the promoter choses, Bret did earn all of his title reigns with hard work and carried the WWF through some of it's hardest times. Who cares if Bret couldn't make it in a shoot? Bad News Brown couldn't really make it in a work, so who cares what he thinks?

[Guest]

man...Bad News Brown IS a badass....

[Guest BookerTman]

Didn't Bret Hart once bitch about Bad News Brown and the way he wrestled with him? Anyone remember what that was about exactly?

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Didn't Bret Hart once bitch about Bad News Brown and the way he wrestled with him? Anyone remember what that was about exactly?

Bret described Allen as someone who "didn't really seem to understand that wrestling is a work", which can mean any number of things, but in the context you heard, probably that he went into business for himself too much and got too snug. Bret always hated stiffness in matches because he thought it went against the artform.

 

I would agree with that about Allen, though. Just look at how he brags about being a legit judo wreslters and stresses how much workers who could take Bret in a shoot put him over. If he truly understood that wrestling is a work, he would realize that Bret Hart was the very best at it, better than any of the other guys, regardless of whether or not they could beat him in a shoot.

 

And again, I think it's a bit hard for Allen to compare him putting over Savage in his home town to Bret jobbing to Shawn Michaels in Canada. Totally different situations that are completely uncomparable, and Allen acts like that puts him above Bret. He's full of shit, as far as I'm concerned.

[Guest raptor]

Bad News Brown is my new hero. SOMEBODY had to say it. I'm glad it was a legit bad@ss.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

But everyone says it. It's nothing new. AND it's outdated at this point.

[Guest art_vandelay]

It's a WORK man- not a shoot! It's ENTERTAINMENT you suck ass.

 

Wrestling-line of the year!

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Bad News Brown is my new hero. SOMEBODY had to say it. I'm glad it was a legit bad@ss.

Yeah, if this is the first time you've read someone laying into Bret for "not being able to let go", then let me be the one to tell you that it's been driven into the ground for so long that no one even bothers responding to it anymore, Bret included.

 

Las time I checked, Bret seemed totally over the entire ordeal and Vince was re-using the Montreal Finish like a prized trophy he won at the carnival.

 

The only way your new hero is "legit" is how much of a dumb-fuck he is.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

amen, Ricky.

[Guest raptor]

You must have misunderstood me. I know a ton of people have bad mouthed Bret for "not leting it go." He's the first I've seen that has really drove home the point about the belts: that they are rarely earned, and just show you've been chosen for reasons that may have nothing to do with ability/drive/passion. If it had anything to do with the above things, Hugh Morrus would be a much bigger star, IMHO.

 

I realize it was vague, and I apologize.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

"It's ENTERTAINMENT you suck ass"

 

I am SO using the term 'suck ass' every chance I get.

 

*Sees a cyclist not on the sidewalk*

 

"It's A ROAD you suck ass"

 

*Sees a baby looking in awe at a tall building*

 

"It's A SKYSCRAPER you suck ass'

 

*Sees an Old Lady in shock after baby comment*

 

"It's AN INSULT you suck ass'

 

....Oh I got a ton of em you suck ass.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Las time I checked, Bret seemed totally over the entire ordeal and Vince was re-using the Montreal Finish like a prized trophy he won at the carnival.

Last I heard, Bret was bitching about Vince parading his family around like a circus and then going on ABC television to "talk to the dead."

 

And to the guy who said Bret earned the belt somehow through his matches, Vince could give any one of the guys he wants that sized a push. What if Hogan never left AWA to work for Titan? McMahon would have given Savage or somebody else the same damn push and it would have worked.

 

Every insult lobbed at Bret is something he's REALLY earned, by opening his mouth and letting something stupid come out. They hypocracy revolving around the dead relatives I've already mentioned. Then there's this stupid crap about being a Canadian Hero. Hello, pal? This pro wrestling! This is Jerry Springer meets boxing! Proud to be one of the biggest circuses around

 

Yes, a lot of what Allen writes here is the same old song and dance, but I still love this bit:

If it was a shoot CRY BABY Bret you wouldn't even make it into the ring unless you were on the tear down crew.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

You must have misunderstood me. I know a ton of people have bad mouthed Bret for "not leting it go." He's the first I've seen that has really drove home the point about the belts: that they are rarely earned, and just show you've been chosen for reasons that may have nothing to do with ability/drive/passion. If it had anything to do with the above things, Hugh Morrus would be a much bigger star, IMHO.

 

I realize it was vague, and I apologize.

It was a good point, but it was applied to the wrong person. Bret Hart more than earned his belts, no matter what Brown says about him not being good enough as a shooter. Bret carried the WWF for one of it's worst periods of time and worked harder and at a higher levle than anyone else in the company.

 

Besides, what do Brown's coments say about him and his accomplishments? His abilities mainly lied in shoots, not in works, and the comment about "not giving a shit and just wanting to get payed" shows just how much passion he had. He was lucky to even be put in the same ring with Bret and Savage, if he goes by his own standards.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

I disagree with the whole 'anyone else with the Mcmahon machine behind them could have done the same thing as Hogan'.  Hogan has a presence that no one else had at that time, just the physical size of him inspired awe.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

Last I heard, Bret was bitching about Vince parading his family around like a circus and then going on ABC television to "talk to the dead."

 

And to the guy who said Bret earned the belt somehow through his matches, Vince could give any one of the guys he wants that sized a push. What if Hogan never left AWA to work for Titan? McMahon would have given Savage or somebody else the same damn push and it would have worked.

 

Every insult lobbed at Bret is something he's REALLY earned, by opening his mouth and letting something stupid come out. They hypocracy revolving around the dead relatives I've already mentioned. Then there's this stupid crap about being a Canadian Hero. Hello, pal? This pro wrestling! This is Jerry Springer meets boxing! Proud to be one of the biggest circuses around

 

Yes, a lot of what Allen writes here is the same old song and dance, but I still love this bit:

If it was a shoot CRY BABY Bret you wouldn't even make it into the ring unless you were on the tear down crew.

When was the last time Bret complained about Vince screwing him? The ABC television special was a bad idea, but I don't remember him complaining about being screwed there. Brown's critisisms were of Bret crying too much about Montreal, and that's still a false arguement no matter how much Bret has grown loopy about other things. Your arguement doesn't do anything to disprove that.

 

Yeah, Vince could have given the belt to others, but that doesn't mean Bret didn't deserve it. Who cares if someone else could have used the same push? Bret still worked his ass off even when he was stuck in the midcard and had no hopes of winning a world title. Once given the title, he always delivered by working hard and having great matches. He took the ball they gave him (this WWF Title) and ran with it to the point that he was able to carry the promotion through some of the worst times they ever experienced. So yeah, he did earn the title with his matches.

 

Bret wined after it first happened, but after what he went through, I can't say I blame him. After being so disenchanted after the fans turned on him to getting screwed over by the one guy he wanted to work for in wrestling, he had a right to bitch. He's stopped since then, and MchMahon hasn't let it go as easilly. Just last year he stole the Montreal finish again. Bret, on the hand, went on Wrestling Observor Live and didn't bitch and moan at all. In fact, he seemed quite over the entire thing. So there you go, who has trouble letting go now?

 

Your quote from Allen only shows that he is, once again, a dumb-fuck for telling Bret a zillion times that WRESTLING IS A WORK and then bringing up how bad Bret is at shooting. For all your talk of hypocricy, it's strange how you happened to ignore that statement, which is more hypocritical than anything I've ever heard Bret say. What a shock.

[Guest Risk]

You know, we don't REALLY know if Bret WOULD be bad in a shoot.  We just have Allen's word on it.

[Guest godthedog]

You know, we don't REALLY know if Bret WOULD be bad in a shoot.  We just have Allen's word on it.

 

i don't think it's necessarily about how bad bret would be, but how good allen would be.  whenever wrestlers talk about who would win in a legit fight & who the real badasses are, allen and meng are generally at the top of the list.

[Guest RickyChosyu]

i don't think it's necessarily about how bad bret would be, but how good allen would be.  whenever wrestlers talk about who would win in a legit fight & who the real badasses are, allen and meng are generally at the top of the list.

Regal and Finlay are too. Unlike Meng and Allen, however, they were also quite good at pro wrestling. Funny thing.

 

Pro wreslters bragging about being good shoot fighters is about as contradictory as it gets, because unless they're incredibly good, most couldn't make it in MMA anyway, which is most-likely the reason they've in pro wreslting. I mean, there are exceptions every once in a while, but guys like Allen and Taz who always brag about being masters of Judo and claiming they could beat so-and-so in a shoot would get mutalated if they tried to fight someone in Pride.

[Guest]

I am so sick and tired of the whining and whimpering about losing that WWF world championship belt to Shawn Michael's in 1997. Oh boo hoo! Whining and whimpering about how Vince McMahon screwed you. Man get over it! That was 5 years ago. Shut the hell up already!

 

Bret get it through your head - you DID NOT earn it. It was GIVEN to you. It means NOTHING. You didn't have to train hard or defeat anyone for real. You didn't win it because you were the best - you won it because the promoter PICKED YOU.

I don't think the fact that Bret lost the belt is what pissed him off--he knew he was going to have to lose it and soon, it was the backhanded manner in which he lost it.

 

Another thing.  It's true that Bret was basically allowed to become  champion, and yeah, Vinnie could put the belt on anyone.  He could put the belt on Stacy Keibler if he really wanted to.  But would the fans accept that?  No way.  The fans to some extent at least accepted Hart as a champion, and there's only a certain type of person they will accept as a champion.  Whatever that magic formula is, charisma, presence, "it", whatever you want to call it, not everybody has that "it."  Having "it" just by itself is a talent, though it might not have anything to do with agility or skill.

 

jester

[Guest]

Amen, Bad News! ;p

[Guest TheHulkster]

You seem to have forgot what Bad News was upset about. He was upset that Bret's contribution to a book about Stu Hart was bitching about how Vince Mcmahon screwed him. Another thing, Vince did reward him for his hard work, he was the WWF world champion 5 times! Which puts even more fuel to the fire that Bret is anal. At that point Bret didn't really deserve anything, because Mcmahon gave him more than enough already.

[Guest dreamer420]

Didn't Bret Hart once bitch about Bad News Brown and the way he wrestled with him? Anyone remember what that was about exactly?

that's because he sucked.