Guest TheDames7 Report post Posted June 14, 2002 Because for the first one, they said they would choose 1 man and 1 woman and they felt Maven was better than Chris. It doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a shot too. As for whats your motivation for winning...its a GUARANTEED contract. Matt could lose his contract tomorrow, so could Chris Harvard. Even so, if you lose your motivation during the contest because you feel you'll win anyway, then they'll never sign you. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted June 14, 2002 I wouldn't say that the Tough Enough losers should be disqualified from ever siging with the WWF, but I would be pissed off if I was Kenny. He was a finalist who trained in South Africa, had to go to the obstacle course at the beach everyday and all of the other stuff that he had to do. He didn't get a contract, but Matt did. Stuff like that kind of ruins the competition idea of the show. Chris has a contract despite the fact that he lost, and Matt has a contract because he was JR's boy. If they have a guy that is going to be salivated over by management, why even bother putting him in the contest? It was obvious to me that Matt was going to get a contract based on JR's assesment of him in the casting special. As far as people losing their motivation, let's not forget the amount of money these people are making. Aren't they making $60,000? It would be one thing to make the money and be at OVW, but Maven has been traveling around and appearing on television. He's really not making shit when you look at it. After watching the Tough Enough Finale, I got the idea that Jackie isn't a very good wrestler. Perhaps it was the clips that they showed of her, but she didn't look that great in the clips. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted June 14, 2002 Damn, from the way you guys are talking maybe WWE SHOULD sign Darryl to a contract, lol. Haha! That was awesome! Darryl deserved it for citing Hogan v. Slaughter as his favorite match. Why is that? I can perfectly see why certain fans could say that match is their favorite of all time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RetroRob215 Report post Posted June 14, 2002 I wouldn't say that the Tough Enough losers should be disqualified from ever siging with the WWF, but I would be pissed off if I was Kenny. He was a finalist who trained in South Africa, had to go to the obstacle course at the beach everyday and all of the other stuff that he had to do. He didn't get a contract, but Matt did. Stuff like that kind of ruins the competition idea of the show. Chris has a contract despite the fact that he lost, and Matt has a contract because he was JR's boy. If they have a guy that is going to be salivated over by management, why even bother putting him in the contest? It was obvious to me that Matt was going to get a contract based on JR's assesment of him in the casting special. Exactly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Slapnuts00 Report post Posted June 14, 2002 Damn, from the way you guys are talking maybe WWE SHOULD sign Darryl to a contract, lol. Haha! That was awesome! Darryl deserved it for citing Hogan v. Slaughter as his favorite match. Why is that? I can perfectly see why certain fans could say that match is their favorite of all time. Darryl admitted that he was not a wrestling fan, and only tried out so he could be on MTV. He named Hogan vs. Slaughter as his favorite match because those were the only names he knew, he said "I don't even know if they ever wrestled, but if they did it was a long time ago." Tazz, who didn't like him to begin with and has huge respect for wrestling, wasn't gonna just sit there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest buffybeast Report post Posted June 14, 2002 I wouldn't say that the Tough Enough losers should be disqualified from ever siging with the WWF, but I would be pissed off if I was Kenny. He was a finalist who trained in South Africa, had to go to the obstacle course at the beach everyday and all of the other stuff that he had to do. He didn't get a contract, but Matt did. Stuff like that kind of ruins the competition idea of the show. Chris has a contract despite the fact that he lost, and Matt has a contract because he was JR's boy. If they have a guy that is going to be salivated over by management, why even bother putting him in the contest? It was obvious to me that Matt was going to get a contract based on JR's assesment of him in the casting special. As far as people losing their motivation, let's not forget the amount of money these people are making. Aren't they making $60,000? It would be one thing to make the money and be at OVW, but Maven has been traveling around and appearing on television. He's really not making shit when you look at it. After watching the Tough Enough Finale, I got the idea that Jackie isn't a very good wrestler. Perhaps it was the clips that they showed of her, but she didn't look that great in the clips. Yeah, Kenny and Jake are probably pissed that Matt got a sweet deal and they have nothing. But that is the nature of the business. The business of professional wrestling is not a fair one. If they don't like it, then they'll never make it in pro wrestling anyway. Jackie didn't look too good on SD last night to me. Linda looked much better. They both do not need to wrestle on television for a while. Their skills are not that good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted June 14, 2002 I wouldn't say that the Tough Enough losers should be disqualified from ever siging with the WWF, but I would be pissed off if I was Kenny. He was a finalist who trained in South Africa, had to go to the obstacle course at the beach everyday and all of the other stuff that he had to do. He didn't get a contract, but Matt did. Stuff like that kind of ruins the competition idea of the show. Chris has a contract despite the fact that he lost, and Matt has a contract because he was JR's boy. If they have a guy that is going to be salivated over by management, why even bother putting him in the contest? It was obvious to me that Matt was going to get a contract based on JR's assesment of him in the casting special. I see what you mean, and I even agree with you, but what do you suppose that they do? What if they have a show that has three great guys who could potentially be Main Event superstars, and one of them gets hurt in the first three weeks, and then they must choose out of the other two, and one is choosen, and the other isn't? Should WWE just drop the other two guys, who they feel could ultimatly make them a lot of money, or should they sign the other two also anyhow, in the name of the business? I mean really... ...what would YOU do? The contest is just for TV, to get ratings, to build up guys in order for when they DO debut, they will already have a reaction to be recieved. They are familier to the fans, they know the basics, and they are people WWE feels they can groom into what they want them to be. It isn't just a contest where one guy wins and everyone else looses. No, it's a way for WWE to look at a group of talent over a period of time, to take normal people, and to personally groom them into what WWE wants them to be. If you ask me, Tough Enough is nothing more than an extende try out camp, where EVERYONE WHO IS CHOOSEN TO BE ON THE SHOW has a chance at a WWE contract, and it is not just entitled to just one or two people... ...it's just, the guy who wins the contract on the show just has bragging rights to having a guarenteed contract, and, well, the fact that he won period. Also, as much as you hate to admit it, Maven's debut got a much more respectable reaction than someone like a Chris Daniels, AJ Styles, Jerry Lynn, etc... would ever get. In my eyes WWE knows exactly what they are doing, and if they feel they can use more than two of the people on the show, then more power to them to signing as many as they can in an attempt to further their company. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted June 14, 2002 Damn, from the way you guys are talking maybe WWE SHOULD sign Darryl to a contract, lol. Haha! That was awesome! Darryl deserved it for citing Hogan v. Slaughter as his favorite match. Why is that? I can perfectly see why certain fans could say that match is their favorite of all time. Darryl admitted that he was not a wrestling fan, and only tried out so he could be on MTV. He named Hogan vs. Slaughter as his favorite match because those were the only names he knew, he said "I don't even know if they ever wrestled, but if they did it was a long time ago." Tazz, who didn't like him to begin with and has huge respect for wrestling, wasn't gonna just sit there. Heheh, well in THAT cass to hell with that fat ass bitch. Thanks for explaining it for me, that says a lot more, and Tazz was right in whatever he did. I guess I'll be watching the replay myself now! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted June 14, 2002 I don't think there is anything wrong with Matt or Harvard getting contracts dispite losing their respective competitions...Matt was well on his way to taking it before his injury...Big and J.R pretty already had his name on a developmental contract already. Harvard and Maven were both equal skilled but they went with the right guy, since Maven has become a mid-carder and has good pops. Nidia was clearly signed for her "ambitious" talents. She fits better as a "Queen Sherrie" type vixen anyways. Jackie has a rocking body but needs help with her scrunched face...Lynda may be a bisexual...but I still like her. Any one notice, Greg was not allowed to say what promotion he worked for...unless he did and I missed it. (It's XWF? RIGHT) I hate Victoria, but at least she's upfront about not watching wrestling unlike Big Fat Ass Darryl. I really think Greg should be signed... Here's my question...Why not just take Prototype...release his contract and have him enter the show as a normal guy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheDames7 Report post Posted June 14, 2002 Actually, Josh works for XWF while Greg works for CZW. After seeing the two girls in the ring last night, two things crossed my mind. 1. Kenny should have been picked. He brings the skills in the ring and could you just imagine the King Kenny from Africa gimmick getting over!? 2. Jackie's in-ring work is limited due to her knee injury so she shouldn't have been in the ring. I won't make judgments on her until shes 100%. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted June 14, 2002 I see what you mean, and I even agree with you, but what do you suppose that they do? What if they have a show that has three great guys who could potentially be Main Event superstars, and one of them gets hurt in the first three weeks, and then they must choose out of the other two, and one is choosen, and the other isn't? Should WWE just drop the other two guys, who they feel could ultimatly make them a lot of money, or should they sign the other two also anyhow, in the name of the business? I mean really... ...what would YOU do? If JR liked Matt so much, they should have just given him a private tryout. Honestly, Darryl provided all of the entertaining moments during the first season of Tough Enough, but it also seemed like they were trying to cast him as the show's heel. There was an episode where Pat Patterson was supposed ot come to the house for dinner and everybody chipped in to pay for the dinner. The people that went to the grocery store spent more than they were supposed to spend and Chris ended up coming to Darryl and telling him that he owed him more money because they spent too much at the store. Darryl wasn't really out of place in that particular instance, but they acted like he was a villain. I wish Darryl could have won just because he is such an asshole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheDames7 Report post Posted June 14, 2002 If JR liked Matt so much, they should have just given him a private tryout. Imagine the controversy that would have occured if people tried out for Tough Enough and those that they though were truly qualified got private tryouts? Why even try out then!? Thats what TE really is, a "private" tryout for 13 people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest goodhelmet Report post Posted June 14, 2002 Actually, Josh works for XWF while Greg works for CZW. After seeing the two girls in the ring last night, two things crossed my mind. 1. Kenny should have been picked. He brings the skills in the ring and could you just imagine the King Kenny from Africa gimmick getting over!? 2. Jackie's in-ring work is limited due to her knee injury so she shouldn't have been in the ring. I won't make judgments on her until shes 100%. Dames Dude King Kenny From Africa would be Saba Simba part 2!!! What the hell are you thinking.??? The last thing the fed needs is more stupid gimmicks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 14, 2002 My wife sez, "Why is Tazz being so mean? It's not like he's a big, handsome popular wrestler"! So I had to explain to her about the whole dues paying process that TAZ went thru to get his spot on tv, and he had every right to shoot on Darrell like that. We both think that Jackie blew Big and Vince to get her contract. Anybody else that got injured that badly got sent home. Also, during the series, I always thought that Jesse looked a little aneorexic....But on the reunion show she looked pretty hot! Nice rack in that little tank top, EH ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheDames7 Report post Posted June 14, 2002 Dude King Kenny From Africa would be Saba Simba part 2!!! What the hell are you thinking.??? The last thing the fed needs is more stupid gimmicks! .....I'm not actually talking about a Saba Simba like gimmick. When Linda made that comment, she was talking about his ways with women, which was pretty damn funny already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RetroRob215 Report post Posted June 14, 2002 Imagine the controversy that would have occured if people tried out for Tough Enough and those that they though were truly qualified got private tryouts? Why even try out then!? Thats what TE really is, a "private" tryout for 13 people. Well didn't Cham Pain tryout for TE1? I could see him getting his own private tryout because he had already been wrestling for serveral years. If there is a talent who is trying out for TE, but is ready to wrestler right then and there, why not give them a developmental contract on the spot? It would be just like signing any other indie wrestler. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheDames7 Report post Posted June 14, 2002 Well, the reason is simple....during the screening process, they only ask you to perform any wrestling or anything like that, so they wouldn't know to hire that person on the spot. Even if they knew about a certain guy trying out, they'd have to go through the same process they went through with Chris Harvard, having to untrain & unlearn the things they've already been taught so they can work their style. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted June 14, 2002 I wish they would have a "special" Tough Enough, that included guys like Jerry Lynn, Lo-Ki, AJ Styles, Mke Modest, Chris Daniels, etc... That way, maybe just MAYBE we'd be able to see one of those guy in WWE after all! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheDames7 Report post Posted June 14, 2002 As sad as that is, that would bomb in the ratings because the general public wouldn't care about them. They want stupid Real World antics, which is why the Pete/Jackie episode was the highest rated show this season other than the finale. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted June 14, 2002 As sad as that is, that would bomb in the ratings because the general public wouldn't care about them. They want stupid Real World antics, which is why the Pete/Jackie episode was the highest rated show this season other than the finale. Dames Ok, you have a point. Well, ummm, how about we add Sunny to the mix for a chance to get her job back? If the Jackie/Pete thing got such ratings, I'm sure that drugs, sex, corruption, etc... could take it that much further. Add Gorgous George to the mix and then you have porn and stripping, and I think they have something to work with! :-( Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheDames7 Report post Posted June 14, 2002 Thats so preposterous that it might work...hell, Temptation Island did. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Downhome Report post Posted June 14, 2002 Thats so preposterous that it might work...hell, Temptation Island did. Dames The really sad thing, is that some of the stuff they show on TE is a joke as it is, so this wouldn't be that bad, PLUS we'd get someone we really want in WWE IN WWE. Then again... ...they'd more than likely have Sunny and Gorgeous George win both of the two spots, seems to me like something WWE would do for some reason or another. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Jobber of the Week Report post Posted June 14, 2002 The reason some losers get contracts is because it's nothing short of stupid to let Al Snow train these kids for months and then only take two. The others either go home discouraged and are wasted, or get picked up by an indy promotion. I didn't watch the show last night because I forgot about it, but all I remember about TE1 was that my favorite was the guy who was quite a bit smaller than everyone else. And despite Pete's antics (which aren't as bad as many legit guys the WWF has hired), I was kind of hoping he'd get a job somehow too. You know why? Because I WANT MORE CRUISERS DAMNIT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 14, 2002 Hey guys, I missed the Tough Enough reunion and I haven't been able to find a recap anywhere, but I got most of what happened just by reading this thread, but I do have on question, what happened with Hawk? Did he explain why he left? Did Holly or Tazz rip on him? Just curious Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheDames7 Report post Posted June 14, 2002 Hawk was back, his Johnny Bravo haircut intact now. They talked about his relationship with Holly and Holly emphasized that if he was in South Africa, he wouldn't have let him quit. You can tell that Holly really liked Hawk. Hawk still calls him. Hawk tried out for the role of Colossus in X-Men 2, but he's awaiting to see if he gets it *HA!* He claims he had psych issues that he needed to deal with and they're past him now. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 14, 2002 ah interesting Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted June 15, 2002 If Hawk gets the role as Colossus, I'm playing the next Batman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
