I seriously have to wonder

[Guest big Dante Cruz]

How the hell does this guy still have a job?  One TE2, they said that the WWE didn't want any stiff working matches and cited and American Dragon/Low Ki match as an example, yet they let Bob Holly (who, according to Mick Foley, hits harder in the ring than most guys do in a street fight) keep his job or actually get pushed?  I mean, what's the deal?  Does he have pictures of Vince playing golf with Osama or something?

[Guest Ash Ketchum]

How the hell does this guy still have a job?  One TE2, they said that the WWE didn't want any stiff working matches and cited and American Dragon/Low Ki match as an example, yet they let Bob Holly (who, according to Mick Foley, hits harder in the ring than most guys do in a street fight) keep his job or actually get pushed?  I mean, what's the deal?  Does he have pictures of Vince playing golf with Osama or something?

He sure does.

 

And he's around because he's a HOSS!!!! inside a smaller man's body. And you know the WWE's policy on HOSSES!!!!!, don't you?

[Guest buffybeast]

He's been with the WWf for more than ten years.  Vince values loyalty in his performers.  That and Holly is decent in the ring.

[Guest big Dante Cruz]

Decent in the ring?  Eh.  Tha's just basically my evaluation of his ring performances.

 

But still, even if he is only decent and he is loyal, why do they want someone that will beat the piss out of whoever gets in the ring with him?  Probably why you didn't see him around the Rock or Austin too much...

[Guest Ash Ketchum]

*shrugs shoulders* I guess so.

 

*holds up "SPARKY PLUGG RULES!!" sign*

[Guest Downhome]

Ok, am I the only hardcore Bob Holly fan here? Hell, I've been a fan since Sparky Plug. Hmmm, does this make me an outsider now, for likeing him and wishing that he actually gets pushed to something more???

[Guest Anglesault]

If they EVER make him look better than Kurt Angle again, I will seriously go into my Psycho-Bastard mode.

[Guest buffybeast]

But still, even if he is only decent and he is loyal, why do they want someone that will beat the piss out of whoever gets in the ring with him?  Probably why you didn't see him around the Rock or Austin too much...

Dante, I suspect Holly isn't incredibly stiff in the ring.  He can't be any more stiff than Bradshaw or Farooq who are both notoriously stifff in the ring.

[Guest]

Yes he's somewhat stiff, but why is that a problem? Watch a Chris Benoit match sometime and note how stiff he wrestles.

 

To quote JR the genius

 

"this ain't ballet"

[Guest Anglesault]

But still, even if he is only decent and he is loyal, why do they want someone that will beat the piss out of whoever gets in the ring with him?  Probably why you didn't see him around the Rock or Austin too much...

Dante, I suspect Holly isn't incredibly stiff in the ring.  He can't be any more stiff than Bradshaw or Farooq who are both notoriously stifff in the ring.

HE ENDED DDP'S CAREER

[Guest Anglesault]

Yes he's somewhat stiff, but why is that a problem? Watch a Chris Benoit match sometime and note how stiff he wrestles.

 

To quote JR the genius

 

"this ain't ballet"

Benoit is stiff, but at elast Benoit is good. in the ring. Holly is just south of passable.

[Guest]

Bob Holly is the very definition of the low card. I used to like Bob way back when he fueded with Al Snow, and later tagged with Crash. But after his IC title shot against Jericho and Chyna, he didn't really seem like he belonged any higher than the European title.

 

Hardcore is one of the lucky winners in this whole brand extension fiasco. A total non-factor (like Bradshaw, Mark Henry) getting a shot at some substantial TV time. I'm sure the roster split is loved by these men who want a chance to show what they can do, but has it made for a better product?

[Guest buffybeast]

But still, even if he is only decent and he is loyal, why do they want someone that will beat the piss out of whoever gets in the ring with him?  Probably why you didn't see him around the Rock or Austin too much...

Dante, I suspect Holly isn't incredibly stiff in the ring.  He can't be any more stiff than Bradshaw or Farooq who are both notoriously stifff in the ring.

HE ENDED DDP'S CAREER

Yes and Angle severly injured Holly's arm which came close to ending his career.  This business is tough and things happen.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

I don't know why he still works myself.  There really isn't any hope for him as far as a push goes. The man has no charisma right now, he's just kind of there.  Once you've been in that state for a while, it's hard to get out. (Venis, Test)

 

Back when he was the big shot, I thought he was real funny and I could have seen him in IC title contention. But now, he's done.

 

He doesn't have solid heat garnering anymore, his finisher ranges from a spinebuster to a DROPKICK and to a Falcon Arrow. He's stale, boring, old and has little potential to do anything besides be a trainer on Tough Enough which I suspect will begin to be phased out because they are being produced so rapidly.

 

I say he should retire and stay home with his hideous fiance.

He's the WWE's Rick Steiner, who needs him?

[Guest jimmy no nose]

If they EVER make him look better than Kurt Angle again, I will seriously go into my Psycho-Bastard mode.

I can't wait.  This'll be great.

[Guest Anglesault]

Yes and Angle severly injured Holly's arm which came close to ending his career.  This business is tough and things happen.

Was Angle TRYING to break Holly's arm? Holly works a style that is only meant to injure people.

[Guest buffybeast]

Yes and Angle severly injured Holly's arm which came close to ending his career.  This business is tough and things happen.

Was Angle TRYING to break Holly's arm? Holly works a style that is only meant to injure people.

I don't think bob holly was TRYING to break DDP's neck, either.

[Guest]

Hell, I like Holly, but I know where his place is in the WWE: the lowcard. Bob, just like Val Venis, has had his time in the upper midcard sun, and that was that. Let it be done.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

He best not get anywhere in kotr. I don't think he's BAD, but how anyone can justify pushing him is beyond me.

[Guest scratch]

Uhhhh....guys?  DDP was injured already before that match with Bob Holly. He had been working through the injury since before Wrestlemania.  So don't blame it on Bob Holly.  I also agree with the guy who said something about watching a Benoit match.  Benoit hits HARD.  If you want more stiff action, go watch an FMW tape with a Tanaka/Kanemura match and that's stiff.  Bob Holly ain't got nothing on these guys.

 

--Scratch

[Guest Anglesault]

Yes and Angle severly injured Holly's arm which came close to ending his career.  This business is tough and things happen.

Was Angle TRYING to break Holly's arm? Holly works a style that is only meant to injure people.

I don't think bob holly was TRYING to break DDP's neck, either.

Judging by the way he hits guys, I'd say he's trying to hurt SOMEONE, SOMEHOW.

[Guest dreamer420]

Yes and Angle severly injured Holly's arm which came close to ending his career.  This business is tough and things happen.

Was Angle TRYING to break Holly's arm? Holly works a style that is only meant to injure people.

I don't think bob holly was TRYING to break DDP's neck, either.

Judging by the way he hits guys, I'd say he's trying to hurt SOMEONE, SOMEHOW.

shut up.  he'd be fired if he was trying to hurt people.  i'm guessing wrestlers who have been in the company for 10 years and have secure jobs are allowed to work a little stiffer than two brand new guys entering the wwe.  i think they were freaked by all the people rvd was busting open due to his style.

[Guest Human Fly]

But since the WWF has all of these stiff workers (Benoit, Holly, Faarooq, Bradshaw, etc.) them saying that American Dragon and Low Ki were too stiff isn't making much sense. Why also would you have tell the TE workers not to be stiff and then have Hardcore and Regal come in and stiff the crap out of them? Then on top of that have all of these guys that the WWF brags about working stiff.

[Guest RetroRob215]

Vince and Hardcore both have similar personalities.  They don't take shit from anybody.  I'm sure that and his loyalty is part of the reason why he is still in the WWF.  Also Holly isn't only stiff, but he can be sloppy at times too.

[Guest dreamer420]

Why also would you have tell the TE workers not to be stiff and then have Hardcore and Regal come in and stiff the crap out of them? Then on top of that have all of these guys that the WWF brags about working stiff.

if they were trained stiff that is to their advantage.  the TE winners need to take some decent shots if the wwe is expecting them to jump into raw and smackdown.  training them to wrestle stiff is not such a good idea and here's why:

 

let's say maven was trained and was trained to work stiff.  if he going to be hitting you, he going to be hitting you for real.  so then after maven wins TE and gets put in a ring in front of 20000 people, he stiff the Undertaker one.  or stiffs tazz on.  what are they going to do back?

 

my point is that you can't throw wrestlers into a company they have never worked in before and let them stiff the hell out of their competition.  they will not get over in the back and be out of jobs shortly.

[Guest]

How did he break DDP's neck?

[Guest Risk]

Hm.  Maybe Holly should wrestle Triple H...

[Guest]

DDP's neck isn't broke , two of his vertabrae has fused together on their own, and his arm( if I'm not mistaken) goes numb for bouts of time because of it. I think it has to do with nerve damage.

[Guest]

Okay enough of this nonsense Anglesault

 

DDP was injured before his match with Holly

 

Holly ended DDP's career with a stiff clothesline. It was a CLOTHESLINE. If Holly hadn't of used that clothesline, someone else would have and you wouldn't be blaming Holly for ending DDP's career. What if it was Angle who "ended" DDP's career? I know what you would say... you would say what I said earlier

 

"this ain't ballet"

[Guest Anglesault]

If Angle was out to hurt someone and he did, I would look down on that.