Guest Report post Posted June 15, 2002 What does the moves DDT and STO stand for? I have no clue what so ever, so some one tell me...please. I feel like I'm the only person who dosen't know it.... .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted June 15, 2002 I think DDT is a type of snake venom, and that's where jake roberts got it. I'm prepared to be very wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Renegade Report post Posted June 15, 2002 DDT is a type of poison that was used as a pesticide, but was banned in many places due to affecting other biological life and the decline of certian species, but whether thats the same as the wrestling move i dont know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ace309 Report post Posted June 15, 2002 The DDT was, to my understanding, named when DDT the poison was still fairly new. It'd be like calling it, say, the Dirty Bomb today. According to Death Valley Driver's Big, Big Book of Wrestling Moves, "STO" stands for "Space Tornado Ogawa" and is named after the person that made it famous, Naoya Ogawa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 15, 2002 DDT originally refers to a type of poison, eventually banned. But ever since Jake Roberts popularized the move, I've always heard "DDT" referred to as "Damien's Death Trap", and that's what I always call it... Damien being the name of Jake's pet snake. This topic got my interest, so I decided to do a "damien's death trap" Google search, and came up with a FAQ page, including questions about the DDT... What does DDT stand for anyway? When asking around the internet, the meaning of the DDT seems more like ancient folklore than common knowledge. When I first posted one of the meanings I had heard for "DDT", I was swamped with email telling me otherwise. The problem is, everyone had a different explanation, and everyone was absolutely certain that their's was right. The most popular belief, is that the name came from the chemical called "DDT". Many might be too young to remember, but back when Jake the Snake started wrestling, a so-called "miricle pesticide" was introduced, and it was called DDT. A massive amount of people; unaware to the harm and long term side effect that chemicals could cause, foolishly sprayed themselves with the pesticide, practically bathing in it. I personally remember seeing news accounts of the epidemic, where ice-cream like trucks would drive down the street, spraying people with the pesticide. Of course, it didn't take long for scientists to realize that bathing in pesticides might not be too safe for people, and the world learned the hard way. A lot of movies were most likely inspired by this real-life epidemic. The chemical itself, DDT, stands for Dichloro Diphenyl Trichloro Ethane, although I've also heard such things such as "Dynamic Debugging Technique". One reason for naming the move DDT, could be that DDT was banned, and Jake Robert's move was banned for a time as well, so he named it DDT. Still, there are many people that believe the chemical DDT and the wrestling move DDT are simply coincidence, and that the wrestling move was named for something else. I've heard all sorts of rumored definitions, from "Drop Down Tackle", "Deluxe Drop Technique" to "Damien's Death Trap" and "Damien's Dinner Time" (Damian was the name of Jake's pet snake). I've also heard "Death Drop Technique" which is a popular abreviation, seeing as how the inverse of a DDT is called a Death Drop (Sting's finisher). Who invented the DDT? Most people give credit to Jake the Snake Roberts. I've heard of interviews where Jake said he created his finishing move "on accident", when he had his opponent in a side headlock, and then tripped. In any case, while Jake Roberts certainly made the DDT famous, it was most likely used namelessly by grapplers long before him. I've even heard that before Jake made the move famous, it was just called an "inverted Death Drop", with a Death Drop being a maneuver like Sting's finisher. Although conversely, today in ECW you can hear the announcers refer to a Death Drop as "an inverted DDT". Sort of like a "who came first, the chicken or the egg?" situation. Don't ask me! But a lot of people want to get really technical about history and stuff like that, so consider this is the history paragraph. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest gizmo Report post Posted June 16, 2002 Well, obviously there are different opinions on the subject. DDT I have been told stands for "Damians Dinner Tonight", when Jake was asked in an interview what DDT stood for he said "The End", so its really left up to interpretation. I had always heard that STO stands for Snap Take Over, which seems to make sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted June 16, 2002 In his RFVideo shoot interview, Jake himself said that he named it after the pesticide. After all, when he started using it in the territories, he didn't have actual snakes as part of his act yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted June 16, 2002 DDT is 50's slang for Drop Death Twice, but has no other realation. It was first named after the chemical. Then other gimmick names like "The End" and "Damians Dinner Timer" came later. According to Death Valley Driver's Big, Big Book of Wrestling Moves, "STO" stands for "Space Tornado Ogawa" and is named after the person that made it famous, Naoya Ogawa. Yep, one of the few things that pile of shit got right. I had always heard that STO stands for Snap Take Over, which seems to make sense. It makes to sense at all, been as its a version of a Judo heel trip. There is no take over at all in the move. As it was said, it stands for Space Tornado Ogawa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted June 16, 2002 i think the Ogawa thing is more likely, but they'll have changed it to 'snap-take-over' for the US. but it doesn't take 'over', it takes down. dammit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted June 16, 2002 The Ogawa isn't more likely, it's right. He invented the move after all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 17, 2002 Wow! It sounds like you guys really, really know your stuff! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted June 17, 2002 Yer, it's not hard. Any other Questions? Or does anyone want lessons? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dr. Wrestlingphysics Report post Posted June 17, 2002 Does STF stand for Stretch Toe Facelock, like I have been lead to believe, or something else? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 17, 2002 Step Over Toe-hold Facelock What I've always known it as. I've never heard the Stretch Toe Facelock name. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 17, 2002 Can someone tell what a Vertebreaker is? I mean how the move is done, whatis the move...or something. How does it go? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted June 17, 2002 i've heard ddt was supposed to stand for damien's dinner time, but I'm not sure if that move was performed before jake roberts time, or was it one that he created? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 17, 2002 Vertabreaker. It's a video clip. So click on the link and it should begin playing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted June 17, 2002 KingofOldSchool is right on all counts. Jake created the DDT. It was first named after the poision then call The End, then all the other names like damien's dinner time came around, but they where unoffical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted June 17, 2002 cool, thanks for the info dace59. it's pretty cool that jake roberts created a move that is used nearly in every match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted June 17, 2002 Anytime man, like I always say. The story of how he invented it is that he was practicing some front face lock spot, slipped backwards, and KOed the guy. He made into work and started using it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted June 17, 2002 thanks for that info too. do you know how he felt about other wresters starting to use it? I mean it was his devistating finisher for years and then all of a sudden it is used by several other wresters, and people are kicking out of it like mad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted June 17, 2002 No Prob. I dont know about how he feels about his use know. Probably doesn't mind, all moves get waterd down with time as more and more kick outs happen, and more people use them. It happend the the DDT, the piledriver, the Soman Drop, the Full Nelson. Some people are still using all of those moves a finishers though. It just happens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Singular Report post Posted June 17, 2002 Does anyone know who is credited for creating the Powerbomb? Chokeslam? Was it Vader? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted June 17, 2002 Powerbomb = Lou Thesz. But don't take my word for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest J*ingus Report post Posted June 17, 2002 Jake Roberts said he doesn't care about other people using the DDT, as nobody else does it right anyway. The powerbomb was supposedly invented by Lou Thesz, but his version was different from what we think of today, it was closer to a ganso bomb and was sometimes called a "throwing piledriver". I think that Terry Gordy is credited with popularizing the move in its modern form. Chokeslam: the first person I ever saw do it was Sid, does anyone know this one? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted June 18, 2002 The powerbomb was supposedly invented by Lou Thesz, but his version was different from what we think of today, it was closer to a ganso bomb and was sometimes called a "throwing piledriver". That's because it was the true Ganso Bomb, as Ganso mean Original. It was the Original or first powerbomb. No on knows be created the modern and safer shoulder mounter version with the far higher lift. No idea about the chokeslam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Eric the Eagle Report post Posted June 21, 2002 Does STF stand for Stretch Toe Facelock, like I have been lead to believe, or something else? I always though it stood for Stepover Toehold Facelock. It seemed to make sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest dreamer420 Report post Posted June 22, 2002 i think it stands for stepover toehold facelock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dace59 Report post Posted June 22, 2002 Yep, it's Stepover Toehold Facelock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest big Dante Cruz Report post Posted June 22, 2002 Thesz did create the piledriver. It just hit him during a match to tuck the guy and sit down. He didn't jump with it or anything, just kind of a "pulling version" I suppose. However. The story on the powerbomb, I always heard, was Gordy invented it. Set up for the piledriver, but lifted and dropped instead. The chokeslam, I'm guessing, has probably been around a long time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
